simison Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 Should the Knights Errant come in during Book 3 or 4? I'm not sure. Who's in charge of the Cognis? Counting up the points so far, it looks like we can fit most of the Insurgos into two faction slots. So, do we want to simply put all of the Insurgos in this book and simply add a fifth faction slot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Xander Travier. Knights Errant I have doing a few small missions including retrieving something from Iyacrax before the world is overrun, but no timeline for their activities yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalripphook Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 So how is different sections of the book being written? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I think we just identify things that need writing, and someone has a go at it. Which reminds me, I'll check the Prosecution stuff today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 The Serpents warband could be one or two points very easily - a character and potentially a right of war as well, depending on the size the traitor warband ends up being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 So, at most, the Insurgos are taking up to 19 points with each Faction slot equaling 12 points. So, yeah, we can fit them into two faction slots. Do we just knock them all out here in Book 2 or split them up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I feel that the Insurgos should be spread through the books where they fit narratively. I know that creates ripples for book one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalripphook Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Do we have any key imperial army forces mentioned in this book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 I feel that the Insurgos should be spread through the books where they fit narratively. I know that creates ripples for book one. I am strongly against this. Book 1 is full as it is. If we're going to spread the Insurgos, it should be in two books to cover each half. Furthermore, Book 1 should focus on the core of the Insurrectionists, as did Betrayal. It is not the book to introduce the Insurgos. No, Imperial Army forces will be focused here, ripphook. Nice profile pic. So, we have one vote to split the Insurgos and one vote to get them over with and done in this book. Any other votes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I'd say split them, but let's not have Book 1 stuffed. The Shadow Hands, for example, don't come into being until the Suzerainty appears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Maybe I'm just too tired and I'm being dense. My point is that the Insurgos should be included at points where they have an impact on the larger plot. What the Ember Host gets into after Untara I/we don't know yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Maybe I'm just too tired and I'm being dense. My point is that the Insurgos should be included at points where they have an impact on the larger plot. What the Ember Host gets into after Untara I/we don't know yet. Fair point, but I'm worried about the Insurgos taking faction slots that would saturate the rulebooks with Astartes heavy focus, instead of encouraging more representatives of the other forces. Which is why I'd be okay with Insurgos featured in two books, but no more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I suggest Book 2 and whichever one deals with the defection of the Predators and the founding of the Suzerainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Alright, looks like the consensus is to split the Insurgos. We will do half here. So, which of the Insurgos should get the spotlight here? Sounds like the Bloodlords and the Shepherds will be wiped out soon, so those two should get priority. That's 6 out of 12 points. Who else? I'd imagine the Traitor Dune Serpents would be the most thematic for this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 From a purely mechanical point of view probaly those legions that have already been given rules in books 1 and 2 should be included. I know this is giving those legions two bite of the pie, but if the Insurgos are being based mostly off legion rules then it just makes it more difficult for people to use given that they wont have the base legion to build from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Agreed. That would enable players to play these legions in two different ways, loyal and traitor nearly right from the start. Bloodlords would herald the later Predators entry. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 So, the Iron Bear traitor tribes and the Morning Stars. Combined with the above that comes to 18 points, 6 too many. EDIT: Minus the Bloodlords brings it back down to 16. 4 too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I have no idea about the wardens of light who leave before to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 I suggest Book 2 and whichever one deals with the defection of the Predators and the founding of the Suzerainty. The latter would be a good spot to feature the Warden of Light's Insurgos. If we remove the Shepherds since the Berserkers come in Book 4 to be nice to the mechanics, that brings the count down. So, these are the Insurgos we will feature here: Traitor Dune Serpents Naagolshi & Wendiigo The Morning Stars Are we in agreement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Err, no Shepherds anywhere? We are killing them off as a fighting force, so I can't complain too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Err, no Shepherds anywhere? We are killing them off as a fighting force, so I can't complain too much. From a purely mechanical point of view probaly those legions that have already been given rules in books 1 and 2 should be included. I know this is giving those legions two bite of the pie, but if the Insurgos are being based mostly off legion rules then it just makes it more difficult for people to use given that they wont have the base legion to build from. What Grifft said. Regarding the Shepherds, we can either push back their destruction, just not give them rules, or come up with something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Ah, I see. For what it's worth, the Shepherds wouldn't base their tactics on the Berserkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 8, 2016 Author Share Posted October 8, 2016 Ah, I see. For what it's worth, the Shepherds wouldn't base their tactics on the Berserkers. That's a fair point... The Morning Stars - 4 points Naagolshi & Wendiigo, traitor IB - 2 points Dune Serpent traitors largest warband - 2 points That does add up to 8 out of 12 possible points. Alright, let's throw in the Shepherds, if they really don't have any mechanical roots in the Berserkers. I'll wait a couple of more hours to see if anyone else chimes in. After that point, I'll consider the roster finalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 You mentioned that the Bloodlords would take 2 points. With 4 points remaining, they could be used as a filler. And they could give a first impression of the Predator legion. ;) I didn't quite understood the system, therefore I need to ask: RoW and seperately war leader would both cost 1 point, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 8, 2016 Author Share Posted October 8, 2016 A RoW and Warlord would take 2 points. Regardless, the Shepherds are worth 4 points, meaning we've maxed out the faction slot 12 out of 12. There's no room for the Bloodlords now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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