++ The Bringers of Despair - A Black Legion Community ++

[Shard of Magnus]

 

 

 

Abaddon video uses Dark Reaper, then Thunderhawk, then Fenrisian.  Doesn't look as blue as some of the pictures, though.

 

That's a mix of the paints used for the "clean black" color in the paint app.  That lists Dark Reaper and Fenrisian Grey as edge highlights for layering with Thunderhawk Blue and Chronus Blue used when drybrushing.  I'm guessing the bluer pictures used Chronus as the final highlight (or had different lighting). 

[Panzer]

Iirc they said in an article that there won't be huge rules changes in the BIG FAW this time around. So better don't hold your breath.

[Wayniac]

Iirc they said in an article that there won't be huge rules changes in the BIG FAW this time around. So better don't hold your breath.

I'm really hoping that stopping CP sharing isn't considered a "huge rule change".  That stuff has polluted the meta since inception almost.

[Panzer]

I fear that's something they'd consider huge. If we trust the speculation of a 8.5 Rulebook release then it would make sense for them to keep the changes at a minimum for this BIG FAQ I guess.

[Wayniac]

I fear that's something they'd consider huge. If we trust the speculation of a 8.5 Rulebook release then it would make sense for them to keep the changes at a minimum for this BIG FAQ I guess.

I haven't seen that speculation, but seeing how they did an AOS 2.0 I could see them doing an updated/revised 40k rules that don't change the core so they don't invalidate codexes.  I'm just fed up with CP batteries and soup  and the fact GW seems to be saying that it is the intended way to play while also making out like it's not

[Sception]

 

Picked up the new Abby model today.

 

They talk about it some in the design interview, but it really is kind of remarkable how there’s a whole, vaguely human shaped person underneath the terminator armor. Assembling the model, layering the armor on top of the interior detail, you feel like a squire, girding some ancient warrior king for battle.

[Danny Cyanide]

It's a bit of a shame that the new Terminators didn't have this level of thought put into their anatomy!

[Biaz]

Hahahahaha, his arms look super long when he's not armoured up! Compensating for the memes, but I'm sure that's due to his body having less mass.

 

Are those hydraulics on his shoulders, for his pauldrons? Really keen to get my hands on this dude. 

[Midnightmare]

As well as his arms, Drach’nyen has a bit of length too. I wonder what else does....?

 

Great model, one of the best things GW has produced B)

[Biaz]

That's how he got the mark of Slaanesh.

 

I agree, I think it's the best model they've ever produced. I was originally going to get FW Horus to be my Abaddon, but I'm really glad I decided to wait to see his new model before I did. Took a while but definitely worth it!

[Tordeck]

Are those hydraulics on his shoulders, for his pauldrons?

Yes they are.

[Closet Skeleton]

Not so competitive list I'm thinking of taking to my next tournament.
 

 

Brigade Detachment - bringers of despair

Chaos Lord in terminator armour

power sword, combi-melta, warlord with the specialist detachment trait

 

Chaos Sorcerer in terminator armour

force stave, combi-bolter

 

Dark Apostle

 

10 Cultists

brutal assault weapons

 

10 Cultists

brutal assault weapons

 

10 Cultists

autoguns, heavy stubber

 

10 Cultists

autoguns, heavy stubber

 

5 chaos space marines

plasma gun, combi-plasma, chain axe

 

5 chaos space marines

plasma gun, combi-plasma, power sword

 

5 terminators

???

 

5 terminators

???

 

5 terminators

???

 

dark disciple

 

15 Raptors

2 plasma guns, icon of wrath, plasma pistol, power fist

 

Chaos Spawn

 

Chaos Spawn

 

3 Obliterators

 

5 Havocs

3 autocannons, heavy bolter

 

5 Havocs

3 autocannons, heavy bolter

 

 

I'll probably give the dark apostle the command farm trait and the sorcerer will have either the 5+ death to the false emperor trait or the +1 psychic powers known trait from the daemonkin book depending on what I face.

 

Gives me 130 odd points for terminator weapons assuming a errata on Obliterators doesn't come up before the submission date.

 

Plan is the lord and the terminators go in deepstrike while the raptors and havocs hide behind cover next to the sorcerer and dark apostle. Turn 1 the sorcerer runs forwards and the raptors move up with a chain going back to within 3" of him so they can warptime 24" forwards and charge to make space for the terminators to come down turn 2.

[Sonoftherubric21]

Might have issues with knights and other big nasties beyond the Oblits. 

 

Though not a bad list, I would substitute the 5 man units with some long range AT as they feel like home-objective units. drop combi plasma for a combi-bolter, upgrade the plasma gun to either a las-cannon or a missile launcher. 

 

The raptor build is same as mine. merciless killers is sweet but if you aren't using Host Raptorial you need to *Guarantee* that charge, unfortunately given that you are already doing Bringers of Despair your best option is to downgrade the raptors into plasma-cide squads. 5 mans with plasma, drop, pop, and drump the points into something else.  15 mans work but I tend to agree with other Frater its an "all in" strategy for those units.  

 

Idea I had was a 3 man biker unit with triple-melta, sling-shot it out turn one and "tip of the spear" for re-roll all to hit meltas with an effective 44 inch threat range (assuming 12 inch starting line). But obviously that is entirely based on what points you can afford. 

[Closet Skeleton]

My knight plan is to lose the game and drop down enough to not have to fight knights again. If there's enough terrain I'll be able to put my obliterators where they can blow up one knight and not get shot back at by more than 1 but I have low expectations for actually playable tables.

 

I had a 3 man biker unit and a 5 man raptor unit in my previous brigade list, I wanted to do something different.

 

I know raptors aren't reliable enough to charge from deepstrike, that's why I'm not deepstriking them unless I'm facing guard artillery and knowing I'm going second. I might see about finally making a jump pack sorcerer but I have found that turn 1 warptime from a terminator sorcerer while sub par can work.

 

I just find dual plasma more reliable than single lascannons/missile launchers. I'd be taking 60 cultists if I owned them (and part of the reason I don't own that many is because I want an excuse to not use them). If I owned 6 lascannons I consider dumping the cultists and have 6 combi-bolter/lascannon squads but 2 sound like they'll do nothing while costing more.

[mooftak]

My knight plan is to lose the game and drop down enough to not have to fight knights again. 

 

Brilliant. Thanks for the laugh this day.

[Charlo]

So what's the verdict on Vigilus now that it's pretty much out there for all to see.

 

Are all the Black Legion rules worth running? Winners/ losers? Did they get good strats?

 

Keen to hear what the premier users of the Black and Gold think ;)

[Wayniac]

So what's the verdict on Vigilus now that it's pretty much out there for all to see.

 

Are all the Black Legion rules worth running? Winners/ losers? Did they get good strats?

 

Keen to hear what the premier users of the Black and Gold think

 

The specialist detachments seem interesting, but those aren't BL specific other than Bringers of Despair (which tbh doesn't seem that great to me).  The stratagem that lets you deny Objective Secured for a turn seems HUGE, but also expensive at 3CP.  That one is a potential game-changer.

 

I also like the one that gives your guys an extra attack if you outnumber the enemy (could make a 20-man blob decent for funsies, although still not competitive).  Finally, the one that lets you give a Dark Apostle and/or Sorcerer (sadly not the Master of Possession as he does not have the SORCERER keyword) an extra Warlord Trait is great; give the Apostle or someone the trait that lets you regain CP on a 5+ whenever you use a stratagem.  The wording on it doesn't seem to indicate if you are limited to the Black Legion WLT or if you can take any WLT available.

 

Relic-wise the chainsword is good, the combi-bolter is good, the power sword is good.  The cloak is alright if you put it on a daemon prince or something as it gives him a buff every time he kills a character, so you treat him like an assassin.

 

That's all that came to my mind immediately.

[Sception]

The BL warlord traits in vigilus have multiple big winners, including a 5+ CP refunder, halve incoming damage (especially good for a warlord discordant), and a withdraw + charge aura.

 

For artefacts... eh, some ok ones. BL already had the best artefact for a non-combatant support character in the eye of night - not a good artefact, mind, but not many other options there.

More seriously, though, chances are you're giving your artefact to a melee beatstick. In that light, we did get a couple decent weapons in the chainsword & spineshiver blade.

 

For stratagems, the one that gets you warlord traits for an apostle and a sorcerer so long as your primary warlord is a chaos lord or BL special character? That's great since, as already described, the BL warlord traits in general are great. The ability to negate obsec for a turn around one of your units is huge. The original BL stratagem from the codex is also decent. And since relics are good it's usually worth a cp for an extra one.

 

For specialist detachments, BL has an exclusive one in the bringers of despair. The stratagems aren't great - though if you're running an allied red corsair detachment with some big csm squads, the morale cancelling strat could see play. The relic is pretty decent, and following the established pattern, the detachment warlord trait is quite good, provided you're fielding some terminators to buff.

 

Then there's special characters. Haarkon... isnt terrible, but you can make a better custom raptor lords, especially with the host raptorial detachment. Abaddon, though, is a beast and a half, well worth his admittedly dramatic points cost.

 

You could do worse than an black legion / red corsair tag team. Maybe something like:

 

Black legion battalion, bringers of despair

 

Termi lord: abby jr setup - detachment trait, lightning claw, spineshiver blade (alt detachment axe & combi whatever fine too)

slaaneshi termi sorcerer, warplord

Apostle, trusted battle leader, -1 to hit prayer

Disciples

5 slaaneshi plasminators, deep striking w/ lord & sorc

10 khornate bolternators, starting on the field w/ apostle

5 slaaneshi havoks w/ chaincannons

3x10 cultists, icon, for bubble wrap & objective camping.

 

Red corsairs battalion, soulforge

Lord discordant, field commander

Lord discordant

Lord discordant

5 csms, chaincannon

5 csms, chaincannon

20 khonrnate csms, mix of bolters & chainswords, 2x plasma, combi plas champ, icon

 

Haven't done the strict points, but that should come out to around 2kish, give or take, with a respectable 12 CP to work with, potentially more from the apostle, and that's after the specialist detachments, field commander and black legion war council. Should be plenty, even with some of the more expensive stratagems in your pocket.

 

Abby of course would up the cp count and provide fearlessness without cp investment, but i think the above is already pushing on 2k, so might have to drop a discordant to upgrade the lord.

 

And that's just spitballing.

 

Obviously, could do much the same woth a pure black legion list, at the cost of some cp efficiency and losing most of the incentive to field power armored bodies.

[Furnace Lord]

Don't have the book yet. Does the deny obsec stratagem work board wide for a turn, or do you pick a unit and it's like an aura around them?

 

From what I've read I was thinking of doing a Lord Discordant Warlord with the half wounds trait and Blind Helm thingy. Although having three warlord traits instead is also incredibly tempting. It's good to have too many choices :p

[Sception]

Pick a unit, aura around them. Expensive & niche, needs to be used surgically. Potentially game winning all the same.

[Furnace Lord]

Thanks, I figured as much. Boardwide would be insane. Still potentially quite powerful.

[Excessus]

Hmm, am I reading this right?

 

For the bringers of despair specialist detachment, only terminator units gain the keyword...

 

But the keyword is needed for the warlord trait and/or the artifact wep...

 

So RAW, the trait and artifact can never be taken?

[Brother Aiwass]

Hmm, am I reading this right?

 

For the bringers of despair specialist detachment, only terminator units gain the keyword...

 

But the keyword is needed for the warlord trait and/or the artifact wep...

 

So RAW, the trait and artifact can never be taken?

Doesn't the Lord gain the TERMINATOR keyword while in termie armor?

[Sception]

'Chaos lord in terminator armor' and 'chaos sorcerer in terminator armor' are both 'terminator' units, per their keywords.

[GreaterChickenofTzeentch]

Actually, looking at the text of World Killers right now, it is effective for the entire battle round and applies whenever there are "any BLACK LEGION units from your army within 3" of the centre of that objective marker..."

 

It's board wide, it just requires a contesting Black Legion unit at a given objective for it to be in effect.

 

Also, it activates at the start of any Battle Round, so you can do it at the top of your opponent's turn if you're going second.