Sete Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Its a jest, but i doubt they will put them all together in one book. And i hope not. More factions means a bigger chance of a new Templar range independent from the Vannila look. If the melee weapons keep their profile of Shadow Wars, Crusader Squads will receive a considerable boost in CC. With 2 power weapons and one special at initiative, and if you can charge out of a rhino or drop pod, it will be awesome. My Tau xeno player friend will have a couple of rough days. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4718937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Hopefully somebody asks the burning question during today's Q&A: will we be restored to our proper glory? Though part of me thinks we will get the stock answer "BT will still be playable with our awesome new C:SM rules!" but the other half of me drank the Kool aid and believes New GW not only listens but wants to push models and will give us our independence back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Kastor asked about Black Templars. Regardless of being my chosen faction, i see great potential on releasing a kit for us. Check TS release: Beast cultists, infantry sprue,terminators,3 heros on disks, Ahriman. BT: Neophytes box. Initiate box Sword Brethren Terminators The IC trio. Throw in Rogal Dorn as Cantus Maxim Gloria Dreadnought with a big ass Sword as center piece. You don't even need the ??? It's just profit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othniel's Blade Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Sounds like massive single faction armies will get large command benefits... the Black Tide surges onwards! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Resilient vehicles with high T (not locked to 10 anymore) and lots of wounds. Single Faction army bonuses (keywords locking rules to a faction-specific set of units, 14 battleforged FOC, command points for rerolls and tricks like going against 'who charges hits first', very tactical). Those who charge hitting first by default. All currently available models / units have bespoke rules (Sword Brethren ahoy!). This will be a good year to be a Crusader. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_von_Speer Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Did they mention anything about the BT? I really hope we won't get reduced to a colour scheme... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othniel's Blade Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Did they mention anything about the BT? I really hope we won't get reduced to a colour scheme... They did not specify anything particular about Space Marines and/or subfactions, except what Kastor Krieg already mentioned in that all models/units will have rules. Ergo, the High Marshal, the glorious Emperor's Champion, and our noble Reclusiarch would be included in such. Never give up hope, for the Emperor sustains. Note: there was mention of a new faction to be intro'd upon 8e release, though it seems likely that it will be more heretics to purge based on leaks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisitor Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 For now it seems we will stay stucked in vanilla codex at launch, but we still have a chance to get our codex in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 With the introduction of command points I hope the Emperor's Champion get something around that if not getting their Vows back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_von_Speer Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Did they mention anything about the BT? I really hope we won't get reduced to a colour scheme... They did not specify anything particular about Space Marines and/or subfactions, except what Kastor Krieg already mentioned in that all models/units will have rules. Ergo, the High Marshal, the glorious Emperor's Champion, and our noble Reclusiarch would be included in such. Never give up hope, for the Emperor sustains. Note: there was mention of a new faction to be intro'd upon 8e release, though it seems likely that it will be more heretics to purge based on leaks. I hope that also applies for crusader squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othniel's Blade Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I hope that also applies for crusader squads. I would imagine so. I think it'd be a reach at this point to imagine a Sword Brethren (Finecast box) special unit vice their nominal stand-in of Veterans/Honour Guard; but they also stated small updates daily until full release, so who knows? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 From what I gathered ALL Marines are rolled into the Imperium book which is a GREAT idea IMO. We shouldn't feel so slighted anymore by losing our book while DA/SW/BA keep theirs, and it gives GW the opportunity to establish core Marine rules and expand the chapters from there in one go. With the buff to assault I have a feeling were really gonna a field day with this edition. When the hell did I get so positive?? Man I used to do a TON OF bitching on here back in the day lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_von_Speer Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 From what I gathered ALL Marines are rolled into the Imperium book which is a GREAT idea IMO. We shouldn't feel so slighted anymore by losing our book while DA/SW/BA keep theirs, and it gives GW the opportunity to establish core Marine rules and expand the chapters from there in one go. With the buff to assault I have a feeling were really gonna a field day with this edition. When the hell did I get so positive?? Man I used to do a TON OF bitching on here back in the day lol Yeah, I'm also very positive about most of the 8th ed news, so I hope they'll also throw us a bone gameplay- and fluffwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I just need a god emperor damn Sword Brethren plastic box with weapon options, tabards and capes. That's it. I'll work the rest out GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4719467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I hope I am right when I believe all units are getting a rework and ALL rules will be available from day one. No units are being lost, Vehicles are becoming tougher, charges are viable again, oh, oh, BT Black Templar, Black Tide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Terminators now have two wounds: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/25/warhammer-40000-unit-profiles/ We're back in the mix boys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 If at the very least we retain Chapter Tactics and Crusader Squads, we are going to be absolutely disgusting in CC now. A 20 man blob attacking first?? If we keep Rage and get a movement buff I could justify slogging again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othniel's Blade Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 2W, 2A, 5" move... literally slow and purposeful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Maybe the Tartaros units move a bit faster at the expense of attacks? What if Cataphrachii have THREE wounds? Chapter Master in Terminator Armor with 4-5 wounds!? I'll put my feet back on the ground now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 If at the very least we retain Chapter Tactics and Crusader Squads, we are going to be absolutely disgusting in CC now. A 20 man blob attacking first?? If we keep Rage and get a movement buff I could justify slogging again.I can imagine a Rage / Crusader type rule for "Templars strike first" that disallows us to be denied with a Combat Point. I am ready, this will be awesome. The zeal is real. + IN TWO MONTHS THE SONS OF DORN AND TEMPLARS OF SIGISMUND PUSH BACK! + + ATTACK! IN SIGISMUND'S NAME, ATTACK! FORWARD AND LET NONE SURVIVE!!! + Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 I love being positive about Templars again. Glad I came back. I'm gonna buy some Scou....err Neophytes to celebrate! New recruits! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 First my new SWA Crusader Kill Squad, then this - a true ray of Emperor's Light on these old warrior faces, spurring us into action once more... :_) + HEAR THIS OATH OF THE MOMENT, BRETHREN ALL! + + I, KASTOR KRIEG, THE RECLUSIARCH OF THE DECLATES CRUSADE, VOW ON THIS DAY! + + THAT BEFORE THIS YEAR WILL PASS INTO THE ANNALS OF THE RECLUSIAM AND THE ETERNAL CRUSADE + + I WILL BUILD AND PAINT IN TEMPLAR LIVERIES OF THIS DAY AND WARS OF YORE + + ANY CAPABLE BODY, SHIELD, ARMS AND MACHINE I OWN + + THIS IS EMPEROR'S WILL AND IT SHALL BE DONE!!! + Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lords of Preyspire Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Mmmm can't wait to find out more about how librarians are going to work. Needs my prognosticators! Edit: oooops, I've been flicking between threads. Couldn't have posted in a more inappropriate forum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Mmmm can't wait to find out more about how librarians are going to work. Needs my prognosticators!I give you 1 heretic out of 10 for that attempt. Begone, foul faction baiter. You will not stain the Templar spirit. EDIT: hahah, saw your edit, yes. Worst place ever Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lords of Preyspire Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Ha, I was going to just delete it but thought it was to fortunate a mistake. On this topic, I hope this leads to seeing more templates (edit: what is going on! Templars! The emperor guiding my thumbs is the only explanation) on the tables. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/12/#findComment-4720831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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