SWORD BROTHER RYAN Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 You know, when first reading about 8th, there was a LOT of hate for it, even among our fellow brothers. Now, though... even I am starting to come around to see some benefits. If a lot of this is true (and fooling some of the previous links, it looks like it might be), this will definitely benefit the true Templar battle strategy: -Crusaders in many varying forms of transportation screaming across the board, firing all the way, -Hatches bang open, disgorging many Crusaders into the midst of enemy lines -Bolt weaponry sings a Hymnal to the Emperor before ZEALOTS charge in, power weapons crackling, chain swords growling Bad times to be xenos, heretics, and witches! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4722799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 You know, when first reading about 8th, there was a LOT of hate for it, even among our fellow brothers. Now, though... even I am starting to come around to see some benefits. If a lot of this is true (and fooling some of the previous links, it looks like it might be), this will definitely benefit the true Templar battle strategy: -Crusaders in many varying forms of transportation screaming across the board, firing all the way, -Hatches bang open, disgorging many Crusaders into the midst of enemy lines -Bolt weaponry sings a Hymnal to the Emperor before ZEALOTS charge in, power weapons crackling, chain swords growling Bad times to be xenos, heretics, and witches! Still curiously skeptic over it all tbh... I won't fully enjoy it I feel until they release the 40k version of the General's handbook... and they'll probably do another rewrite of the entire IF and successors fluff, so still skeptic over this 8th ed changes... I mean... with Ward back in the GW cycle, he might write our fluff once again, and I'm still reeling over what happened the last time... (to give you Neophytes a picture, he made our Chapter long for a chance to get our Librarians back... we didn't lose our Librarians... we tossed them out the airlock... AFTER taking back their Geneseed...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4722838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I hope (and am aware of the perils implied in hoping) that 8th edition will mean a certain Renaissance for the Templars. Despite all the complaints I had with GW recently, I am sure that the new edition will mean a chance for me to get back to the game. From what they disclosed so far, I'm rather optimistic, as it seems that we are heading towards a more streamlined game, and that is good. It seems that they already addressed the problem with vehicles, but they still need to fix assaults and magic. So yeah, I am looking forward to whatever they release. The only big worry that I have is that they will release bigger marines: I really, really do not want to see that happen. Still, largely thanks to GW I learnt to ignore certain aspects of fictional worlds, so it seems that I'll just ignore the new marines as well and be happy with what I have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4722857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 The only big worry that I have is that they will release bigger marines: I really, really do not want to see that happen. Have you seen old-school 25mm-base Terminators next to current ones? Sometimes, bigger is better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4722880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I hope (and am aware of the perils implied in hoping) that 8th edition will mean a certain Renaissance for the Templars. Despite all the complaints I had with GW recently, I am sure that the new edition will mean a chance for me to get back to the game. From what they disclosed so far, I'm rather optimistic, as it seems that we are heading towards a more streamlined game, and that is good. It seems that they already addressed the problem with vehicles, but they still need to fix assaults and magic. So yeah, I am looking forward to whatever they release. The only big worry that I have is that they will release bigger marines: I really, really do not want to see that happen. Still, largely thanks to GW I learnt to ignore certain aspects of fictional worlds, so it seems that I'll just ignore the new marines as well and be happy with what I have. Well they already removed initiative and instead if you charge you strike first. So that's a huge boon for assault armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4722901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I have been musing over the formations we got in Gathering Storm. One of them we have Ordo Hereticus, other armies of the Imperium. Are we to be the Marines that will not make part of the Astartes Book to bolster the armies of the Imperium? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4722958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 The only big worry that I have is that they will release bigger marines: I really, really do not want to see that happen. Have you seen old-school 25mm-base Terminators next to current ones? Sometimes, bigger is better. Yeah, I would be inclined to agree with you, but I've bought and haven't assembled (not to mention the number of finished miniatures) too many models over the years to see that that it was in vain and there's a superior product out there. Also, I feel that the 'rescale' you mentioned was different because it seems to have "invalidated" a smaller range of miniatures. Sorry for the off-topic! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asbonet Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 If you’re in combat at the start of your turn, you can Fall Back by moving away from the enemy. You’ll lose the ability to advance, shoot or charge that turn, and crucially, enemies will be able to shoot at you! This does, however, open up a vast range of tactical options for armies like the Astra Militarum, who will now be able to effectively deploy in firing lines, with each row falling back from any assaults in good order (if they survived) while the unit behind them fires at the attackers. It goes both ways though – if you have a dedicated assault unit that specializes in killing infantry (like Warp Talons) your opponent will find it much harder to pin them down in combat with heavily armoured units for the entire game. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/27/new-warhammer-40000-movement/ NOW the filthy Xenos can full back..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 SO WE CAN CHARGE THEM AGAIN!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2edition Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I like the fall ba- er... CHARGE IN A NEW DIRECTION rules. Keeping my Templar from being locked in combat with vehicles so they can more effectively purge the unclean sounds nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I love the mechanic, its a boost for non-assault armies while not crippling assault armies as the unit that falls back will still remain in charge distance (unless its a bike or something) and for us its also great as it opens the possibility of reinforcing an assault without having to lose a whole unit, start losing an assault? Fall back, shoot with another unit and charge them again with a third unit. All these changes seem to be geared towards a gameplay that rewards positioning and planning more than any other edition, I love it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 Run away from us, we reroll charge again, you overwatch giving us rage again...profit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWORD BROTHER RYAN Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Why do I envision a Crusader SQD chasing some xenos scum off the board with this rule? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Why do I envision a Crusader SQD chasing some xenos scum off the board with this rule? Is probably what's going to happen a lot... I hope multi-charges are still in Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWORD BROTHER RYAN Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Why do I envision a Crusader SQD chasing some xenos scum off the board with this rule? Is probably what's going to happen a lot... I hope multi-charges are still in Is it too much to ask for? Can it be? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 You know what would make 8th ed better? If Str of unit does something in regards to Armour Saves in melee... such as if str of attacker is over 1 against enemy toughness, -1 to Sv... That would make Astartes great again... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I love the mechanic, its a boost for non-assault armies while not crippling assault armies as the unit that falls back will still remain in charge distance (unless its a bike or something) and for us its also great as it opens the possibility of reinforcing an assault without having to lose a whole unit, start losing an assault? Fall back, shoot with another unit and charge them again with a third unit. All these changes seem to be geared towards a gameplay that rewards positioning and planning more than any other edition, I love it. Actually it's a boost for fast-moving armies. It's not worth leaving combat if you remain in charge range, because you're still going to get whacked (unless your other units can provide enough cover fire for you). The real boon will be for units that can disengage from combat and get themselves to relative safety. With due consideration to that though I wonder what will happen to white scars, will they have a special rule that says they can disengage and still shoot or something ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4723784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_von_Speer Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Looking at the new psychic phase, I really hope we get some nice anti-witch special rules! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4724251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Hopefully my SoS support will keep the same kind of rules on negation, they're the perfect compliment to my Templars. Perhaps a modifier that will increase the Warp Charge roll they have to beat to successfully cast. Or immune to mortal wounds. WE SHALL SEE! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4724314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 I for one will use the psychic phase to build a bonfire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4724449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I'm not completely sure how command points work but maybe we can spend one of those to disrupt cursed witch powers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4724561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I'm not completely sure how command points work but maybe we can spend one of those to disrupt cursed witch powers. That should be our thing, indeed. And if the "dispel range" is the same as sorcerers' one (as it is in 7e), then our units each have just become a 24" miniature zeal-fueled Culexii :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4724574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 In AoS models with the priest keyword are usually able to dispel as well, I wouldn't be surprised if chaplains get the ability to dispel too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4724642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 In AoS models with the priest keyword are usually able to dispel as well, I wouldn't be surprised if chaplains get the ability to dispel too. Now THAT is the most beautifully templary thing imaginable.... Please let it come true! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4724663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Shutting down witch powers with pure ZEAL! I will be pretty disappointed with GW if Templars can't do that! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/15/#findComment-4724688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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