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apologist Venerable Brother

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Glorious: all praise to the god of machines!

 

The detail and thought that's gone into the planning and execution is fantastic, so thanks for the insights into how you've tackled challenged – they're fascinating.

 

The joy of such a project is in the detailing, and seeing how you've building embellishments like the basreliefs into the structure is great. If you don't mind a minor suggestion, have you considered hanging censers from some (or all?) the apices of the flying buttresses and the points of the pyramidal endcaps? They'd be a nice way to add some motion while adding to the religious nature of the land-battleship that is a Titan. 

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Mesmerizing.

 

What a fascinating project, the head is brilliant but it is great to see older scenery kits being so cleverly used to add detail as well as the scratch building.

 

In a similar vein some of the wall of martyrs/aegis defense line/bastion etc guns might work well for secondary guns. Might get wastefully expensive though.

Blackadder Veteran

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Now It Can Be Told.

 

I finally managed to isolate a decent image from the video model I've been working from. As you can see I've followed the concept rather closely but installed a few of my own and others ideas. Such as a different 'head' and raising the head off the waist plate; in this case about 4 inches (10 CM) 

 

I like the idea of the Imperial Eagle wing in the buttress but that may be a late add on. Right now I am working on the deck. Where the artist uses corbel to support the front edge I shall be using PVC 'cove' moulding. Enhanced with strip styrene trim; you'll get the idea once I start the process.......

 


http://i.imgur.com/0XAxJDyl.jpg

 

Laters, I'm off to cut the second course.

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Now this raises an interesting point regarding Forgeworld discrimination. To date there are five resin Titans in the Imperium of Man; Mars and Lucius. Two in Chaos (also men technically) I myself am waiting for a Chaos Warlord before I plunk down my hard earned shekels. One rather fey Eldar Titan Warhound equivalent and a Ork Gargant, also Warhound size, and a rather blandly designed Necron Titan which is more properly a tank. Why is FW ignoring the proponents of other Galactic races whilst doting on the armies of the backwater Third Rock from the Sun? I claim Galactic racial bias, shame on you FW. 

 

From a selfish standpoint I want an interesting 'Emperor' equivalent for one of the other interstellar races to model because where do I go from here after I finish this Titan. And it has to be ambulatory.

Lord_Ikka

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Imperator is looking great. Can't wait to see the cathedral top.

 

I think FW focuses on Human models (Imperium/Chaos) so much simply because it is more profitable, especially for larger models. Larger models cost more to make, in both physical material (resin/molds), worker hours, and conceptual design. Considering that roughly 50-75% of the 40k playerbase has at least one human army, focusing on those players rewards FW more than Xenos would. There are less Xenos players, as a whole, and what Xenos players there are tend to be divided into specific faction, thus making the potential purchases even less due to a smaller potential customer pool. Personally, while I understand it is good business sense (maximizing potential profit) I do think the hobby suffers from it. 

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From a selfish standpoint I want an interesting 'Emperor' equivalent for one of the other interstellar races to model because where do I go from here after I finish this Titan. And it has to be ambulatory.

 

Might be a long wait. If I remember correctly, there has never been one. The Titan Legions box set came with 1 Imperator to 2 Mega Gargants, and they considered that to be a fair fight.

 

I don't even recall reading about anything in the fluff that was as big as an Imperator; maybe a couple of Ork Gargants would come close, the Godbreaker of Armageddon wouldn't be far off it.

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The Beast's Temple-Gargant overtopped Imperator Titans,and considering it had regular Gargants stationed as honor guards inside its throne room it would definitely qualify as large enough. It was mobile, but pretty slow.. I don't know if that would be feasible though, even on Blackadder's scale, as it would probably wind up being over six feet tall...

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I would love to see a blackadder-built ork gargant. From what I gather of that particular ramshackle Xenos breed, all specifications would be up for modification, so the size and scale would be entirely negotiable.
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Hey BlackAdder, I had a random thought I wanted to toss at you for your titan. When you build the feet, build a design in to the soles of the feet, like the AdMech icon or something of that nature. Then cast impact craters of the bottom of the feet that shows the design in the crater. When/if you ever manage to actually play a game with this monster, every turn that the Titan moves, put down 2-3 craters behind it.


The Beast's Temple-Gargant overtopped Imperator Titans,and considering it had regular Gargants stationed as honor guards inside its throne room it would definitely qualify as large enough. It was mobile, but pretty slow.. I don't know if that would be feasible though, even on Blackadder's scale, as it would probably wind up being over six feet tall...

That would not be a model to put on the table. That would BE the table.

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Hey BlackAdder, I had a random thought I wanted to toss at you for your titan. When you build the feet, build a design in to the soles of the feet, like the AdMech icon or something of that nature. Then cast impact craters of the bottom of the feet that shows the design in the crater. When/if you ever manage to actually play a game with this monster, every turn that the Titan moves, put down 2-3 craters behind it.

 

 

The Beast's Temple-Gargant overtopped Imperator Titans,and considering it had regular Gargants stationed as honor guards inside its throne room it would definitely qualify as large enough. It was mobile, but pretty slow.. I don't know if that would be feasible though, even on Blackadder's scale, as it would probably wind up being over six feet tall...

That would not be a model to put on the table. That would BE the table.
No, it would crush the table underfoot, and crater the game room floor.

 

To the Orks' cheers and howls of approval.

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Massive:
 
One of the problems I notice about many scratchbuilds is the author does not build massive enough. Particularly floors, walls, hydraulic cylinders/pistons and in this case the DECK.
 
My deck right now is 19,44 MM (A skosh over 49/64 inch) thick; about 4 feet 8 inches thick. Still seems rather thin to me but I still have to add the bulwarks which will double the thickness in appearance at least.
 
http://i.imgur.com/2FT99sfl.jpg
 
The quarter view shows the depth of the model which suits my eye for the time being.
 
http://i.imgur.com/lLICDnNl.jpg
 
And the side view shows I need to increase the rear overhang by about 25 scale feet. to allow for the main Cathedral/Fortification 
 
http://i.imgur.com/fk8jegbl.jpg
 
Omnissiah  bless me.
 
 

 

Hey BlackAdder, I had a random thought I wanted to toss at you for your titan. When you build the feet, build a design in to the soles of the feet, like the AdMech icon or something of that nature. Then cast impact craters of the bottom of the feet that shows the design in the crater. When/if you ever manage to actually play a game with this monster, every turn that the Titan moves, put down 2-3 craters behind it.


 

 

 

Years ago I did just this very thing for my Warlord. I made an Ad Mech icon about 3 MM thick...............

 

Here are the original posts:

 

Tread Design
 
Finished detailing the feet and toes this morning except for three 19mm x 4mm aquila I have yet to scrounge from my son's seemingly bottomless bitz hoard.
 
I hope he has a few still stashed away.
 
I started on the tread and decided to use a bas relief Adeptus Mechanicus emblem on the center of the foot pad similar to the Reaver cog and gear pattern below
 
http://i.imgur.com/LpFxBeNl.jpg
 
 
but mine will have the 'Borg' style skull and accouterments. I was thinking of Aquila with folded wings for the toes as I did for the Warhound distal phalanges
 
http://i.imgur.com/xBRDkWyl.jpg
 
Getting the proper spacing for the gear cogs was a pain having to resort to the formula to divide a circle into 24 segments to make the gear. Still looks rather crude as my compass is wearing out.
 
 
http://i.imgur.com/ySXHSl4l.jpg
 
I sometimes find being an obsessive compulsive debilitating.............
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Foot Detail:

 

Forgot this image. This is just about all the detail I will be including on the feet except for the above mentioned tread detail. Now I need just clean the dust off and give it a primer coat.

 


http://i.imgur.com/1s2QC81l.jpg

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Tread Adeptus Mechanicus Emblem
 
It's going to take some doing to translate this into a tread design :?:
 
http://i.imgur.com/L1J0yw4l.jpg
 
http://i.imgur.com/S1DGBM6l.jpg

No they are barely 3.0 CM in diameter I need 13.0 CM............. 
 
I don't know how I get pigeonholed into these side projects, it seems a lot of trouble to go to for something that will be rarely seen but I had fixated that I would do a A.M. emblem on the sole of the feet along with all the other tread designs so I lose a few days what of it.
 
http://i.imgur.com/xuPkyt4l.jpg
 
Anyway it's a good project for a stepped presentation and someone may benefit from my particular form of obsessiveness.

Totenkopf Monocle
 
Since my supply of tubes only go up to 12.75 MM (1/2 inch) I needed to fabricate a 14.0 MM ring to duplicate the monocle on the A.M. right side. Searching through my scrap bin I found a discarded marker that would serve as a plug. Begin by drawing the strip plastic between your thumbnail and index finger while applying pressure. This will impart a curve to the strip and make it easier to wrap around the plug. Taper the end and hold it while wrapping one full turn. Put a drop of thin set plastic cement on the overlap and draw the ring tight for the first wrap. Be sure your wrap is aligned properly. I needed two wraps for the monocle rim so while it is drying I typed this reply.
 
http://i.imgur.com/yqkksKkl.jpg
 
You can see a finished ring and a armour right section in the above image. Finding the right diameter plug was the hardest part of this procedure.
 
 
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Totenkopf Neufassung
 
This is difficult to tutor as I cannot demonstrate that which is innate with me. but if you look closely at the objects in the images you may see a few co-ordinate lines that I use as reference points. These lines give me a ballpark position of where the various points of the (skull) in this case are in relation to edges, centerlines, peripheral borders. 
 
http://i.imgur.com/r53ra7Jl.jpg

Diagonal Toes Tread
 
This morning, can't believe it's Saturday already, I began the diagonal toe treads. These I had envisioned as duplicating the tread on the Lucius Warhound:
 
http://i.imgur.com/xBRDkWyl.jpg
 
 
and may still do so but for now a more basic tread design will suffice.
 
http://i.imgur.com/1Hnc1Lcl.jpg

With respect to the above reply; I ruefully state the following:
 
Bland and Uninspired!
 
Well this is rather disappointing. The feet with a homogeneous coat of primer look rather bland and uninspired. I am confronted with the alternatives either to add copious amounts of fiddly rivets and superfluous bits or busy the construction up with camouflage in the manner of Mr Smith.  
 
http://i.imgur.com/XFOPRR5l.jpg
 
http://i.imgur.com/umWc66rl.jpg
 
Even the tread looks boring!
http://i.imgur.com/Ahl6n32l.jpg

Good for the sole
 
A little humility is good for the soul. In a weak moment I felt a bit  depressed how plain the prime coat made the feet considering all the detail installed but it was pointed out that a little highlighting and inking will heighten the contrast. I'm still thinking that camouflage will dramatically augment the features of the model but plugging on never the less I added a Michelin tread pattern to the front and rear toes:
 
http://i.imgur.com/E1rVsBKl.jpg
 
and stuck on the A.M. emblem temporarily for a relative view.
 
I was in a quandary whether to make the A.M. symbol mirrored as some suggested to leave a reflected spoor (Track way):
 
http://i.imgur.com/xkPqF3zl.jpg
 
but since GW/FW are not in accord as to whether the tech side is on right or left why not both! Therefor the tread of the left foot will mirror the tread of the right foot and it's either half right or half wrong:
 
http://i.imgur.com/DOX3G0ol.jpg
 
Compromise is also good for the soul.
 
 
I had to post this. It's one of my all time favorite trailers from a scene that never made it to the movie it advertised.............
 
Go figure!
 
 
IT's........................
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More Skull-duggery

 

The logo that is most detailed............ 


http://i.imgur.com/dJ51h5Dl.jpg

 

The mirror is less further along:


http://i.imgur.com/JGdrw5Wl.jpg

 

The thickness is at this moment 1,5 MM/0.060 inch Needs to be less:


http://i.imgur.com/Va0sU3Al.jpg

 

Close up reveals some fine cleanup is necessary:


http://i.imgur.com/MB7KmBSl.jpg

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Tools of the trade

 

Aside from the obvious Xacto knife, nail files, needle files, etc........... the most necessary tool to make these reliefs was my cordless Dremel. I rarely use this tool but it's indispensable in a project such as this.

 

I have a good assortment of cutting files including some dental drills my dentist gave me; they were too worn out for dental work.

 

In all these foot treads took about a week; time well spent I believe and will complete the detail on the feet to my satisfaction.

 


http://i.imgur.com/codPBAZl.jpg

 

Now on to detailing of the lower legs.

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Thanks, I probably won't be doing this on the Emperor as the soles of the feet will not be seen.

 

Originally I was going to skin the bottom of the deck with 0.040inch (1,0 MM) sheet styrene but to lose all this gratis detail would be a crime. The honeycomb pattern I believe will look phenomenal especially when picked out with Ad Mech paraphernalia  plus giving a ready base for Gothic substructure. 
 
http://i.imgur.com/MvSu8xJl.jpg
 
I've used about all of the 2 foot by 4 foot panel with barely enough left for my proposed interior wall structure. 
 
http://i.imgur.com/jIAACTDl.jpg
 
A wise investment indeed.
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Thanks for the reply and I'll have to check those out. I always welcome input, see below :D

 

 

 

Surely the mechanicum would have mitred corners??
 
Not necessary, each corner has a octagon shaped pilbox so I need only cut off the excess once the glue has dried. Incidentally and thanks for reminding me I need to make these rhombus shape structures removable to prevent damage when the Titan is disassembled. 
 
http://i.imgur.com/c3B9o8q.jpg
 
http://i.imgur.com/Oos68Ao.jpg
 
http://i.imgur.com/MZDw5Na.jpg
 
And an interior shot of the Emperor Titan War Room
 
http://i.imgur.com/NlMfAFx.jpg
 
Incidentally this is an excellent video showing an Emperor Titan in motion:
 
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The promethean relay pipes would look amazing under that along with hanging banners and maybe even look at the new sector mechanicus with the skull spider/crane.

 

 

Wow those look terrific, thanks for the tip.

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