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[Canadian_F_H]

Ok. So I'm still brain storming. I have more pressing projects this year than my IW, but I'm at work and marinating in the subject.

 

Nothing set in Iron yet, but I have 40 to 60 mark III plastics and 5 cataphractii plastics and the plastic Cataphracti captain set aside for my IW.

 

I'm a bit truescale/primari'size crazy how, so the mk3s may either become an epic amount of work, or be sold off in favor of an easier option...

 

But I noticed the cataphractii captain is damn near as tall as a primaris already. And that's too if head, not too if the overhead armour! I suspect it may be within less than a milimeter even! So that's good!

 

The trouble is the cataphractii CPT is already assembled with that plastic glue that melts the plastic together (eBay deal for as good as I thought, oops) so conversion may be harder than I thought.

 

As it is, I was not sure what I wanted to do about the chain fist arm.

 

My old play around lists had the following for my chaos lord. (bear in mind this was 7th and I may end up mostly playing 7th so IDK, I'll add an 8th equiv) edit, nvm, for 8th, just ignore the "siegebreaker" artefact.

 

Chaos lord, terminator armour, Combi melta(or plasma),siege breaker mace, or black mace.

 

So... I was going to use this awesome mace bit from the WFB warriors of chaos "chaos knights" kit. It's right handed, necessitating removing the multimelta right hand from the mini. So then I need to figure out how to remove the changing and put a multimelta either on the left hand. Or maybe some cool over the shoulder "presator" style weapon... That might fit the "warsmith" style of the IW. Hmmm....

[Canadian_F_H]

 

WIP. Lord for my Iron Warriors. Going for a "black mace" and Combi melta.

 

Thoughts? I need to add some details. But IDK what I want to do yet exactly.

[Pearson73]

Really liking that conversion, especially the underslung combi-melta.

[Canadian_F_H]

Thanks. I don't want to over do it. So I'll see what I can come up with for details. He needs a little bit of something to make him more obviously chaos and at iron warrior. Just so easy to over do it. Maybe the kataphron kit will provide something useful.

 

Oh and the cape definitely needs to be a bit less pristine too.

Edited January 3, 2019 by Canadian_F_H

[Pearson73]

Perhaps some runes or icons of chaos undivided? The IV aren't particularly devout, are they?

 

Adding in some trophies such as loyalist helms or skulls could work too, but, as you say, easy to go overboard.

[Canadian_F_H]

Perhaps some runes or icons of chaos undivided? The IV aren't particularly devout, are they?

 

Adding in some trophies such as loyalist helms or skulls could work too, but, as you say, easy to go overboard.

 

 

yeah.  they arent very devout comparatively by the time of 40k.  certainly weren't to begin with.  they went renegade for purely secular reasons.  they are renowned for amputating any and all mutations and replacing them with bionics...  honestly i suspect the influence of chaos happened after the events of "angel exterminatus"

 

if i remember right, the story ends with Perturbo plunging his entire fleet into a singularity in the eye of terror...

 

personally i prefer to view the Iron Warriors as actually being purely a Renegade Legion, NOT devoted to Chaos or any of Lorgar's Drivel.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Chaos warrior shields and bits also look nice on chaos bikers - here's a link to a post with some of mine:  http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346143-the-judgment-on-kadeth-dr-ruminahuis-emperors-children/?p=5062299

 

And your terminator lord looks great, though he does need a little more knife work to make him look less pristine. :)

Edited January 7, 2019 by Dr_Ruminahui

[Canadian_F_H]

Indeed. That's the plan. At bare minimum the cape is WAY to pristine! Lol

 

I have some awesome model railroad chain and my bro has an epic pile of warriors of chaos bits right now... So when I can refocus on this project I'll have a lot to work with.

[Xenith]

 

 they are renowned for amputating any and all mutations and replacing them with bionics...  

 

Just to clarify, they lop off any non-useful mutations - IW are pragmatitsts, after all. If it can serve a purpose in battle, like diamond skin, razor talons, hand that shoots daemon fire, they'll likely keep it.

 

Weird small tentacles or man buns get the chop.

[Canadian_F_H]

I must have misread that then.

[MaliGn]

Cause me this went wrong ignore please. Edited January 11, 2019 by MaliGn

[Canadian_F_H]

So... Since I don't like the old nor the new obliterators, I must continue to formulate a plan to build them from something else.

 

I kind of like the idea I've been brewing in my mind of my warband attempting to gain unfair advantage my enslaving abominable intelligences via scrounged MoI STCs etc. (and to give it that double edged grim dark, the AI they have enslaved may actually have their darkmech and warsmith under its influence)

 

Anyhow. I want to build entirely mechanical obliterators and I've been struggling for a while with it... Depending on their scale tho, I may have an idea.

 

What about the "ambots" from necromunda as a basis? I have a bunch of bits I'll have left over from a box of kataphrons Im really only using the tank tracks from right now.

 

Anybody have a good idea of their size vs nu-marines, primaris, old-blits, nu-blits etc?

 

I'm thinking a new "skullier" head and a "too many" of the gnarly guns from the kataphrons would do the trick perhaps?

[Marqol]

Ambots are perfect I think. A few extra weapons and they are a worthy of assault 6. I agree with you about the Obliterators. I think they look cool but they are more hellbrute than techno machine flesh metal monstrosity. Maybe IG heavy weapon squad weapons could be useful? Put them on the shoulders a bit like a (excuse me for the example) a blastoise. 

[Canadian_F_H]

Well. Not the best image, but it has everything I think we needed to know about them sizewise.

 

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSMwtaUMZ3MLbb-MZdVxESRrTC-EzpZakHU4gwaLSkxWo4SkCK8

[Canadian_F_H]

Its been a while.

I have been super amped up about the hobby so far this year for a variety of reasons.

So i have a number of used vindicator tanks on their way or already here, several of which are destined for my IW. (full disclosure the rest are for my Black Templars).

My local group is almost exclusively horus heresy players so the army I build needs to be able to work in both 40k and 30k. They also play almost exclusively with 3000 point lists in 1vs1 and 2vs2 matches. So while this army is entirely in my mind a 40k force, i will probably discuss it from a 30k rule standpoint sometimes. Also narratively and background wise the force dates back to the great crusade and horus heresy so linking that together is obvious.

So for now i will just say i have a rough draft of an AoD list representing this Warband's Legion days during the HH.

Highlights include
3000pts (local meta dictates this)
Iron fire ROW (why not use the IW fluffy ROW right?)
And 2 squadrons of 6 vindicator tanks! Because Siege Specialists!

So i have 1 Vindicator on the bench for IW and 4 enroute (tho 2 of those may go BT depending on condition)

I have some thoughts on the background of my warband. What they have become by the 41st millenium, what they were during the great crusade and heresy, and how they got from point a to point b.

Stay tuned for updates.

Edited January 29, 2020 by Canadian_F_H

[Canadian_F_H]

Ok.  so more thoughts and brain storming.  the IW have been on the back burner long enough.  2020 will see me build my IW army and put them on a gaming table.  Admittedly probably as a 30k IW army, but i will be using the same models for 40k, which admittedly means it will probably be a 7th edition list since that's my meta.  lol

 

so... my thoughts on IW, Legions and CSM (these are "MY" thoughts, and may line up with many others, or not)

 

 

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Regarding CSM appearance.  i feel that basically there is a sliding scale between the extremes of "ye olde glory days of the Legions" all the way to "Sanity is for the weak, spikes and faces everywhere and i cannot remove my armour anymore"

 

for me personally any traitors late heresy (siege of terra) thru scouring and on into 40k should not be 100% Legion.  but only the word bearers and the 4 god aligned legions on their "worst" (best?) days are 100% twisted.  Iron Warriors being fairly conservative from day one, I feel like of all the traitor legions should be consistently the most legion and least twisted apart from the full bore techno-virus stuff which i think should look like if admech was a contagious cancer and less like demon stuff so that's not really on the sliding scale to which i am referring.

 

i guess my point is: I need to either convince myself i can be happy with the current CSM kit if I avoid using the most chaosy bits.  Failing that I need to figure out what conversion bits to bring to the kit to satisfy my view of them.  (conversion bits are inevitable to avoid being overly repetitious tho)

 

 

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there is a scarcity of Bits from GW and FW.  I would be nice if GW did Legion upgrades for CSM like they did Chapter upgrades for Primaris.  (using the current  PSM upgrades as a guide) how nice would it be to just have a spru with 6 CSM pauldrons with IW logos, 3 terminator pauldrons with IW logos, 6 IW heads, and assorted Bits and a cool weapon or too.  probably some bionics.   we can dream!  cmon GW, there are only 9 traitor legions and the 4 god aligned ones probably don't need an upgrade sprue since if 1ksons and DG are any indicator those 4 will have unique model lines anyways!  so literally 5 sprues!  get to work GW!

 

3rd party has a bunch of stuff.  i am eying some stuff from pop goes the monkey.  If i decide I can work with the CSM kit, then i just need the icons i want.  if i decide i need to do something to slide the model towards legions, well they have some nice mk3 and "abhorrent" style pauldrons too!  (will share link because, i think it is neat that they have the hazard stripes modeled on some of them...

https://www.shapeways.com/product/Q2J7RK665/10x-iron-legion-abhorrent-shoulder-pads?optionId=136568806&li=shops

 

 

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TANKS!  So my 30k List is an IronFire ROW pieplate spam list.  its cool, in theme, probably decent, and i great place to start at least.

 

2 squadrons of 3 vindicators!  using the GW vindicators, not the FW ones.  i think they look more IW appropriate with their harder edges and heavier looking plating.  will add icons from pop goes the monkey, and maybe some other bits.

 

1 squadron of legion medusas!  idk how to approach this.  FW is so expensive.  might have to invent my own somehow.  idk.

 

4 Rhino APCs for my 4 tactical squads.  Rhinos were allways too small.  the new CSM being bigger means this problem looks even worse.  i plan to convert Rhinos out of Tamiya's M113 kit unless somebody has a better idea.  still doing my research.  i saw some AWESOME rhinos made from the same m113 kit.  so i know it is doable i just need to figure out how i will actually do it!  i will again shoot for the GW 40k appearance over the deimos 30k variant for same reasons as given for the vindicators.  the deimos just doesnt look hard edged enough to match how IW should look in my mind.  so the problem here is finding bits to make the m113 look like a rhino.  the conversion i saw was probably easier since they probably just had to add the deimos resin bits to the m113 (and therefore just needed the FW resin and not the underlying plastic rhino)  maybe somebody has the outer plastic parts of a rhino left over from building a deimos or other FW HH kit?  still struggling to find 3rd party options for rhino armour, my other option is 3rd party extra armour bits that follow the rhino appearance well.  so far kromlech appears to be the only maker of a decent looking rhino uparmour kit (besides FW)

 

last of the vehicles in my list is a Spartan.  pretty straight forward.  sell kidney, buy spartan.  ouch!

 

 

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MY Iron Warriors!

 

So i was asking around a while back about certain things for IW.  i think it is interesting that apparently they organized all their Destroyers into companies and grand companies rather than spread them thru other companies and grand companies.  so i wondered what might happen to a large force of IW destroyers if they stuck together as a grand co (aka warband) thru the millenia.  i was thinking, thanks largely to the Vox casts with Jes Goodwin, about how everything 40k when done right has layers, and conflicting elements.  the right mix and balance is where the real character comes in.  so i was thinking of how the IW went traitor.  how it wasnt about a fall to chaos.  that came later.  i was thinking of making my IW come from a destroyers company.  and over the millenia they have formed their own culture, traditions etc.  we can analyze it and call it religion, but they wouldn't. 

 

just like how the admech has a whole religion full of rituals that sort of accidentally maintain there tech in the process.  ie, chant, light incense, drain the fluids from the bottom of the tank, chant until all the fluids are removed, return the plug and torque ritualistically, add the sacred oils, chant more, oops we just changed the oil in the engine but we dont know why.  haha

 

so this destroyer co maintains an arsenal of atomics and chem weapons.  they have ritualized their maintenance, manufacture and deployment.  i think about how the USA has their Defcon system and how there are proper steps taken at each level and transitioning thru them.  perhaps these IW aboard their battle barge periodically go thru their full readiness and deployment procedure for their atomics as if it was a ceremony performed every sabbath.   perhaps on particular unholy days the ritual must be performed and an actual launch and detonation required. 

 

perhaps the exposure to chem and rad has had an effect on them.  their astartes physiology has kept them alive, but the damage has deadened their nerves explaining their FNP.  perhaps even to the point of justifying and explaining counts as "plague marines" with T5 and FNP from 7th edition, or 8th ed DG allies.  i had even considered using these IW destroyers as counts as DG in kill team.  all the "plague and poison" rules explained as the effects of the radiation and chemical weapons.  and the nerve damage from chem weapons etc explaining their T5 and FNP!

 

to take this crazy idea further.  these IW follow a twisted version of the imperial truth and the mechanicum faith.  they ritualise their tech.  they have "faith" in their tech and WMDs, but are "atheists".  they know the emperor and the ruinous powers are "god-like" but see them as extremes of mutants, and extra dimensional aliens.  which becomes all the more ironic since they don't have faith in Nurgle, but Nurgle has faith in them.  radiation sickness is a disease.  chemical weapons are toxins and poisons.  radioactive and chemical contamination is comparable to biological contamination.  and it is not at all difficult to see that Nurgle's 3 dot symbol is present in the bio-hazard sign which marks chem weapons.  and that a radiation trefoil has 3 parts arranged like nurgles mark is arranged too.

 

if money was no object i would get somebody on shapeways to make a custom icon for the force.  since i cant afford that, i will settle for doing one pauldron with the IW icon, and the other with this radiation trefoil over a sort of chaos star for the other pauldron.

 

 

tho if were to get a custom icon for this force it would be a simplified, and less organic, more mechanical version of the Corrosion of Conformity Logo.

 

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/files/img/music2/cocskull.jpg

 

i mean.  the IW logo, with a Radiation Trefoil inlaid like the above, over a chaos star motif.  that would be a fantastic army icon... but i DEFINITELY cannot free hand that.  nor would i want to do so for 40 marines, 10 terminators, 13 tanks, and assorted characters. 

 

 

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paint scheme?  i am thinking something along the lines of a fairly generic IW force, but with a bit more corrosion/grit/grime.

Edited January 29, 2020 by Canadian_F_H

[Canadian_F_H]

Follow up. After some research regarding rhino bits and 3rd party stuff, the only viable options are to either stalk ebay for cheap used rhinos to carve up, Or attempt to recast the various plates of the rhino kit. Neither option is ideal. Assuming i am patient and get luck with kits not slathered in plastic cement, the "carve up 4 used rhinos" uption is likely the lesser of 2 evils. Edited January 29, 2020 by Canadian_F_H

[Canadian_F_H]

Hobby update!

 

Amongst my many projects lately, has been a big push to get a proper army battle ready for games with the local HH:AOD:30K group.  It is nice that my IWs will end up being fairly decent at pulling double duty with 30k/40k. (and Kill team to be honest.

 

right now the main mile stones I have hit are the completion of repairs for several "rescues" from ebay and other sources, and the priming of tthose Tanks.  I obviously had some camera focus issues.  My Cellphone no longer recognizes that it has a camera...  so I had to use my son's Amazon Fire tablet.  It is a handy device, but it's camera is far from ideal

 

 

 

that's it for today.  Let me know what y'all think!

[MegaVolt87]

The tanks are coming along nicely. What termi's are you doing to travel in the Spartan ?

[Canadian_F_H]

Right now i have on spru 5 cataphractii and 5 of the new Chaos Terminators... Debating picking up 5 more cataphractii and save the chaosier terminators for another project. They have so much chaosiconography and horns. They dont fit my vision of my iron warriors even tho i have seen some amazingly good iron warriors made from the new chaos kit... So torn.

[MegaVolt87]

I think kit bash wise tartaros and indomi kits go well together make a scavanged suit. Cataphractii to me has too distinctive a profile to kit bash in the same way.

[Canadian_F_H]

I agree. Yet i see cataphractii as a very good look for iron warriors. So i am almost certain i need to make the unit 100% cataphractii. The indomitus terminators are going to have to be used for something else...

[Canadian_F_H]

Almost finished with my first 5 iron warriors. Just hsve to figure out how i want to base them. I usually use one of the brown GW technicals, but the IW scheme is already very neutral and mid tone in feel.

 

I was contemplating the martian technical/texture basings but concerned that a red/orange base might stand out more than the model.

 

Astrogranite might blend in with the iron armour too well... I usually dont have this much doubt about basing... Hahaha.

[MegaVolt87]

You could try a brownish yellow base color for the bases with a black rim, would pop. Its not very common but would work well. 

[Canadian_F_H]

 

whew!

 

so i've done a lot since i had a working camera phone.  It is late and i have to be up early for work (all my updates seam to happen like this don't they?)

 

please feel free to give feed back and ask questions.  i would say a lot more, but i am tired.  everybody have a nice day!  i hope to finish most of this army soon!