Vogon Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I really hope that the last three legions get 7th edition rules so they're compatible with what we have now. Once they've done that I wouldn't care if they moved the whole lot over to 8th. Cheers Vogon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4718813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 The last three legions already have rules. They need special characters and units. (Sorry, it's really bugging my inner pedant when I read that they still need rules... :) ) And it seems unlikely that they will release their special characters and units outside of the black books which I can't imagine they would release with 7th Ed compatibility. I suppose we could hope for "get you by rules" like we had for Custodes and SoS but again that seems very unlikely to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4718904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 They said at the Angelus seminar that the current rules for BA/DA/WS are not final and will be updated though. I think what will most likely happen is when Angelus drops we'll also get a new Legions/ Army List(s) books containing everything updated for 8th, as well as Angelus having made-for-8th rules for the BA/ DA etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4718922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Fair enough but whether they will be updated or not doesn't change the fact that BA/DA/WS have current, legal, 7th ed compatible rules so it remains unlikely that we will see any change before HH moves to 8th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4718968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 It does not make sense to release 7th edition rules for the last three legions since FW will be porting over to 8th eventually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 It does not make sense to release 7th edition rules for the last three legions since FW will be porting over to 8th eventually. Why? They already make their own armies, own missions. Why not go whole hog and just release their own (likely better) rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Release them with eighth edition rules - it saves a lot of time and effort which can go towards more constructive ends. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 They sais today in facebook in the comments that HH will get their 8th rules as soon as possible. Oh, and all they said about 8th sounded like Age of Sigmar. Yuck Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Fair enough but whether they will be updated or not doesn't change the fact that BA/DA/WS have current, legal, 7th ed compatible rules so it remains unlikely that we will see any change before HH moves to 8th. Yeah, just like World Eaters or Death Guard had before the last Red Book.... ; Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 They already announced that 30k is branching for the immediate future as 8th drops. The only question is if we get an update that takes us to 7.5 or to 8.0. It could go either way really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 It does not make sense to release 7th edition rules for the last three legions since FW will be porting over to 8th eventually. Why? They already make their own armies, own missions. Why not go whole hog and just release their own (likely better) rules? Do they really have the time and budget to that properly though? Creating an entire rule system is a much, much larger task than adding in something like Heresy and it take FW a long time to do that, even if the quality (if not proof-reading) is excellent. They sais today in facebook in the comments that HH will get their 8th rules as soon as possible. Oh, and all they said about 8th sounded like Age of Sigmar. Yuck Where did they say that? Could you link the comment? A lot of people asked in the stream but nothing was said on air iirc. Personally from the sound of it I would like HH to move to 8th reasonably soon after release. It sounds like GW have a much better philosophy in place, mass play-testing, balance updates every year simplified basic rules with complexity added through individualised units rather than special rules. All sound excellent to me, especially the average 1500 point game going from 2-3 hours to 90 minutes. Our group can legitimately get 2 game in during an evening, which means less 2v2 (which is fun, but would like more options). Age of Sigmar started off very meh, but the handbook and later books really fleshed out the concept. Take a unit like the Lord of Change or Tzaangors, far more interesting and synergistic in AoS than they are in 40k. I for one am looking forward to our 8th edition overlords, although, to GW, don't be like my favourite Primarch.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 It does not make sense to release 7th edition rules for the last three legions since FW will be porting over to 8th eventually.Why? They already make their own armies, own missions. Why not go whole hog and just release their own (likely better) rules? Do they really have the time and budget to that properly though? Creating an entire rule system is a much, much larger task than adding in something like Heresy and it take FW a long time to do that, even if the quality (if not proof-reading) is excellent. They sais today in facebook in the comments that HH will get their 8th rules as soon as possible. Oh, and all they said about 8th sounded like Age of Sigmar. Yuck Where did they say that? Could you link the comment? A lot of people asked in the stream but nothing was said on air iirc. Personally from the sound of it I would like HH to move to 8th reasonably soon after release. It sounds like GW have a much better philosophy in place, mass play-testing, balance updates every year simplified basic rules with complexity added through individualised units rather than special rules. All sound excellent to me, especially the average 1500 point game going from 2-3 hours to 90 minutes. Our group can legitimately get 2 game in during an evening, which means less 2v2 (which is fun, but would like more options). Age of Sigmar started off very meh, but the handbook and later books really fleshed out the concept. Take a unit like the Lord of Change or Tzaangors, far more interesting and synergistic in AoS than they are in 40k. I for one am looking forward to our 8th edition overlords, although, to GW, don't be like my favourite Primarch.... Like I said. It's in the comments section. One of the first ones. I don't like the simplification part. I want to play a complex game with grown up rules and not some crap like AoS. Yeah you can pull of game in 90 minutes while being hammered as and still make the right decisions but I like it when I have to think while playing. Oh and by the way: Who needs three hours for a 1500 points HH game? If in a hurry you can pull that of in 60 minutes Three hours is more like 3k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I'm actually really worried that we'll end up with a book written for a different rules edition than the one everyone else still wants to play and Sanguinius will never get to fight Horus after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Simplified basic rules does not mean a simplified game, look at Armada or X-Wing. All have less than 10 pages of core rules but none are simple games. I want shorter games of 40k because too much of 7th has been rolling dice for relatively trivial things, things that can be done at list creation through choice (psychic powers, warlords traits etc). None of that makes for a less tactically interesting game to my eye. Add into that random runs, difficult terrain, loads of stuff that requires extra rolls of no real 'fun' value and little tactical worth. 3 hours was the number they gave on the stream for the average 1500 40k game at adepticon, HH is obviously quicker because you have less units at any given points value, regardless 7th still makes for much longer games than I think is needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
panascope Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Currently an attack in 7th edition can involve the following rolls: Roll to hit (possible reroll), roll to wound (possible reroll), Look Out, Sir!, a saving throw (with possible reroll) and Feel No Pain. That's up to 8 possible rolls before a model even dies. At this point anything that simplifies this clunkiness is a welcome change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Seems to me FW wants to take their time and do it. Plus if you spent lots of money on Inferno you'll have some time to enjoy it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamy248 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 What I'm wondering is how far in advance FW knew about 8th Ed. I know that there isn't a fantastic amount of communication between GW and FW, but if FW knew about the incoming edition, perhaps we won't have to wait so long for them to rerelease the updated rules? Maybe this is why the Siege of Vraks has taken so long? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Currently an attack in 7th edition can involve the following rolls: Roll to hit (possible reroll), roll to wound (possible reroll), Look Out, Sir!, a saving throw (with possible reroll) and Feel No Pain. That's up to 8 possible rolls before a model even dies. At this point anything that simplifies this clunkiness is a welcome change.And usually it is:Roll to hit, roll to wound, armour saves- done. All possible rerolls need some kind of specialist which buffs the unit may it be a Chaplain or a Apothecary which is a good thing in my book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4719954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 The 30K community still can't handle elements of the FAQ like meltabombs, they are not ready for 8th despite the latter already sounding like a better game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4720536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 The 30K community still can't handle elements of the FAQ like meltabombs, they are not ready for 8th despite the latter already sounding like a better game. I think I agree somewhat. Portions of this community are here because HH feels like 3rd or 4th edition. The rules are just as poor as its base game, there is just less running through the machine so the breaks in the mechanics are less obvious. I'm actually looking forward to 8th edition and hope that it is fully adopted by FW for the fall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4720569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I enjoy spending money on rules that get invalidated a couple of months later Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4720587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I enjoy spending money on rules that get invalidated a couple of months later If you purchased Inferno you had made a mistake before 8th was even announced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4720606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 On that note, does anyone know if they are offering vouchers for HH books? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4720664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 On that note, does anyone know if they are offering vouchers for HH books? https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/24/just-bought-a-codex-dont-worry-weve-got-you-covered/ That would mostly depend on what they consider a Codex. But I don't think so because not many books contain an entire army list. But you can call or email to ask. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4720700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Terminators confirmed as 2W for 40k. Very interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/3/#findComment-4720743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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