Dantay VI Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Have to admit, I am getting tempted... Btw is this a SW Reiver or a Wolf Spear Reiver? https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-2/UH29gsmfkrrtp_Primaris_Marines_Release_02_July_8th.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4814748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Have to admit, I am getting tempted... Btw is this a SW Reiver or a Wolf Spear Reiver? https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-2/UH29gsmfkrrtp_Primaris_Marines_Release_02_July_8th.pdf I'd say Space Wolves, since he's got the standard Blackmane GC symbol on his arm. Doubt the Wolfspear are going to take/copy that, but you never know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4814753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Have to admit, I am getting tempted... Btw is this a SW Reiver or a Wolf Spear Reiver? https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-2/UH29gsmfkrrtp_Primaris_Marines_Release_02_July_8th.pdf I'd say Space Wolves, since he's got the standard Blackmane GC symbol on his arm. Doubt the Wolfspear are going to take/copy that, but you never know. Except ragnar background color is yellow and ragnar stole his emblem from the original 30k SW's. Its even in the HH book and on the HH transfers here https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/FW-Space-Wolves-Transfer-Sheet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4814803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvitrValdyr Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Ragnar didn't steal his emblem from anywhere. Wolf Lords choose an emblem from Fenrisian lore to use as the symbol of their company. Ragnar isn't the first to use the Blackmane as his symbol and probably wont be the last. Some symbols are very popular and appear over and over again throughout the history of the Wolves. It is possible that the Wolfspear could adopt those same traditions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4814908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) Open your 7th edition codex to page 64 and look at that Wolf Scout models there. Both their shoulders are grey, with the 'Ragnar Blackmane' symbol on the left shoulder. The artist likely used this page as reference while painting the Reiver. It's a super universal Space Wolves symbol, comes in lots of colours, and doesn't always mean Blackmane. Stop overthinking it. Edited July 10, 2017 by Wispy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4814923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Have to admit, I am getting tempted... Btw is this a SW Reiver or a Wolf Spear Reiver? https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-2/UH29gsmfkrrtp_Primaris_Marines_Release_02_July_8th.pdf I'd say Space Wolves, since he's got the standard Blackmane GC symbol on his arm. Doubt the Wolfspear are going to take/copy that, but you never know. Except ragnar background color is yellow Scouts are often/usually painted without the background color. As Wispy just mentioned the Scouts pictured on page 64 of the 7e codex are Blackmanes, and they don't have the yellow background. They look just like these new Reivers, in fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4814931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 And the 5th edition codex had a page pn markings. It stated that colours are highly interchangable on certain places depending on the space wolf wearing it. Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4815159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Ragnar didn't steal his emblem from anywhere. Wolf Lords choose an emblem from Fenrisian lore to use as the symbol of their company. Ragnar isn't the first to use the Blackmane as his symbol and probably wont be the last. Some symbols are very popular and appear over and over again throughout the history of the Wolves. It is possible that the Wolfspear could adopt those same traditions. Think you missed my point. People saying wolfspear wouldnt steal ragnars symbol. I pointed out its a old symbol that was universal for the legion. Therefore Ragnar "stole" the symbol as it isnt an original symbol that he made but a generic one he adopted for himself. Plus who knows maybe Ragnar now leads the Wolf Spear *shrug* we have 0 info on the wolf spear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4815224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Why would Ragnar, tactically known for planetary drop assaults, be placed in command of an army that has absolutely zero drop pods or effective methods in the assault phase? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4816248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Why would Ragnar, tactically known for planetary drop assaults, be placed in command of an army that has absolutely zero drop pods or effective methods in the assault phase?Idk, it was an example if thing that could happen. Since when does a great wolfs attack style dictate a whole chapters tactics? Pretty sure we would never see Grimnar riding a thunderwolf so I guess Harald better knock it off. Also doubt he would use a harpoon so Krakendoom better shape up. Plus it was an example of what could happen because we have 0 information on the wolf spear. As for ragnars tactics and primaris. The new jump troops are dropped from orbit kinda like drop pods. The new grav tanks were also orbit dropped. Are we sure primaris dont get drop pods? They already said we havent seen all the primarias stuff. We have so few facts and we assume a lot about the primaris. Edited July 11, 2017 by Caldersson Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4816300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filius Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 The new Grav Tanks can be dropped from Orbit?! Holy Cannoli! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4816635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 The new Grav Tanks can be dropped from Orbit?! Holy Cannoli! Dark Imperium Page 112 "Three Repulsor grav-tanks fell from the sky like stones, decelerating rapidly and coming to a gentle halt a couple of metres above the ground, right by the flanking Iron Warriors." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4816755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) If Ragnar is made the chapter master of the Wolfspear and primarised I will buy :cussloads of product! Could also be the reason for which the very clear resculpt of Ragnar had a head and name change and was marketed as Krom Dragongaze, since the primaris production started around that time as Jes Goodwin told me. Edited July 12, 2017 by Grieux Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4816906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 since the primaris production started around that time as Jes Goodwin told me. When, exactly, did Primaris work start? Very curious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4816980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 since the primaris production started around that time as Jes Goodwin told me. When, exactly, did Primaris work start? Very curious. I believe they said 2-4 years ago. I think they settled on scale when the stormwolf came out, since wulfen were in the old scale they redid them to be in primaris scale Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4816987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Yep Jes told me in the open day he started 3 years ago which coincides with the release of the Space Wolves 7th ed codex, Black Reach, etc. Krom is too obviously inspired in Ragnar to not understand he was a last minute change like Bjorn was in Burning of Prospero. Primarising Ragnar would make 90% of the SW fans love primaris by default, which would be quite smart. I'd personally buy 5. One to wargame with, one for the office, one for the night table, one for the car and one to train my children. Edited July 12, 2017 by Grieux Valdr Fell-fist, Kelborn and Filius 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvitrValdyr Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm actually hoping for a Primaris size Ragnar myself... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadnaughty Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Yep Jes told me in the open day he started 3 years ago which coincides with the release of the Space Wolves 7th ed codex, Black Reach, etc. Krom is too obviously inspired in Ragnar to not understand he was a last minute change like Bjorn was in Burning of Prospero. Primarising Ragnar would make 90% of the SW fans love primaris by default, which would be quite smart. I'd personally buy 5. One to wargame with, one for the office, one for the night table, one for the car and one to train my children. It would also mean that a SW codex would not be far off which is what has me more excited then a Primaris Ragnar :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filius Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 *snip* Primarising Ragnar would make 90% of the SW fans love primaris by default, which would be quite smart. I'd personally buy 5. One to wargame with, one for the office, one for the night table, one for the car and one to train my children. I haven't laught that loud for like … weeks! Thank you so much! Jackalwolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'd like a Primaris Bjorn, personally :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'd like a Primaris Bjorn, personally :)Dreadnought Primaris? cause he'd look pregnant if he upgraded to one... What about an older Lukas the Trickster as a primaris? or a Bran Redmaw! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Couldn't fenrisian wolves/cyber wolves be transported in 7th? They can't in 8th? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Only the wargear ones could be transported before. Now Ragnars equivalent wargear ones are the only ones that can be transported so not a big change. Edited July 12, 2017 by jbickb Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Only the wargear ones could be transported before. Interesting, that is news to me. I always thought having the fen wolves as wargear made it so the infantry model could not embark onto any vehicle. I might have done things a bit different with my 7e lists...but a bit moot at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 If Ragnar is made the chapter master of the Wolfspear and primarised I will buy :cussloads of product! Could also be the reason for which the very clear resculpt of Ragnar had a head and name change and was marketed as Krom Dragongaze, since the primaris production started around that time as Jes Goodwin told me. This also gives way to my suspicions. Ragnar has a older model. Ragnar has been setup to take over Grimnar for years now, but Grimnar is as beloved if not more than Ragnar. Ragnar is a young Wolf Lord a perfect candidate to be "Primaris-ized" The first Wolf Spear member we know of is a Inceptor (Bjarni), showing how brutal a SW jump troop is. The Wolf Spear won't have any Great Wolf ready troops yet all they have is 100 years of combat experience and 10k years of being a meat-cicles. Making Ragnar a Great Wolf of a "Successor Chapter" would cause many SW fans to ignore the issues of a successor chapters and just accept them. Ragnar would ensure that the Wolf Spear still bend the knee to Russ, BUT also have much vigor and rebellion in them to oppose RG and Inquisition authority. Allows GW to introduce a new Wolf Lord to the SW to replace Ragnar, or he simply retains that spot and the Wolf Lords are now "Chapter Master" of Great Companies around the Universe. Fenris supported a Legion it can support 13 Great Companies. They would be merely be "Wolf Lords of Great Companies" bending the knee to "The Great Wolf and High King of Fenris" who rules from Fenris proper. Much speculation on this though. He would sell off the shelf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333655-the-primaris-space-marines-and-the-space-wolves/page/19/#findComment-4817422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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