Gemini Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I started playing in 5th and through that time have collected every unit/character listed in the 7th ed codex, able to field at least one of every Space Wolves specific GW formation available (no FW though) and have gone back and have at least one of just about every metal Space Wolf model made. 95% of that all painted to my own (albeit POOR) standard. I'm comfortable saying I'm all-in on Space Wolves. I'll hate giving up 'codex complete' as I expect them to be in the new codex later this year but even the 'real' fluff just isn't enough for me. We've got guys that say 'No Wulfen for me' and guys that say 'No Thunderwolves for me'. No primaris marines for Gemini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 No chainsword, no PSM here, for me, at least. My reasoning is that a true son of Russ knows their way around melee; this means, that unless the PSM's taken with the Space Wolves can take a chainsword, I see no reason to use them. Put another way, see line one of this post. I don't like Wulfen due to how they interact with other SW's, and TWC don't quite seem to fit the Space Viking scene to me. Still, that's for me, for everyone else, do what one will. Gemini 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filius Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Service announcement: "No Primaris in my army ever (unless)"-oaths can also be sworn in the "Imperium of Darkness, SW and Primaris Fluff"-thread now. Thanks you very much for your attention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Reaver Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) Thanks, guys. I knew it would be wise to wait for Dark Imperium before working on a Primaris successor. Can't wait to get it by myself. So we got one confirmed successor and the Primaris do feel connected with their parent chapters. Good to know. So the problem will more be one of being accepted by their brothers instead of becoming true Vlka. That changes my plans for my successor's history but I'm happy to know it better. btw. we also got some new unit types mentioned in Dark Imperium as well: - Primaris Librarians (would be interesting to have a pov from a PL regarding Fenris' world soul) - a new dropship (larger and bulkier than a Thunderhawk) - Overlord - a seemingly Devastor type unit with missile launchers on their shoulders in the new Gravis armor - Aggressors - skull helmed infiltrators / scouts - Reivers What's the role of the Overlord? That sounds interesting. The Overlord is a new transport ship that "makes a thunderhawk look like a toy." I believe those were the exact words I read while reading the book. They are shaped similar to the Corvus Blackstars. Also, new units were mentioned in the book that haven't been released be GW. Reivers are a combat-oriented stealth squad. They have enlarged left pauldrons to better protect them in combat and carry close combat weapons. Their armor also helps them hide due to stealthy-tech incorporated into the armor. Oh, and they have skull faced helms! Agressors are heavily armored units that have shoulder mounted missile launchers and specialized Gravis armor. They also have gauntlet mounted bolters with heavy flamers. They mow stuff down, hard. Great stuff. Edited June 9, 2017 by Sun Reaver Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Also, new units were mentioned in the book that haven't been released be GW. Reivers are a combat-oriented stealth squad. They have enlarged left pauldrons to better protect them in combat and carry close combat weapons. Their armor also helps them hide due to stealthy-tech incorporated into the armor. Oh, and they have skull faced helms! Agressors are heavily armored units that have shoulder mounted missile launchers and specialized Gravis armor. They also have gauntlet mounted bolters with heavy flamers. They mow stuff down, hard. Alrighty then. I'm definitely looking forward to the releases of those two new unit types. Sounds fantastic. Hellrender and Sun Reaver 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_Lord_Hardrada Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Well they sound interesting. The stealthy CC unit will fit quite nicely into the Wolves. I'm going to assume that a number of you have read Bernard Cornwalls 'Uhtred' books, and Beowulf? "Com on wanre niht scrithan sceadugenga" On shadowed/gloomy night the shadow-walker comes (Couldn't find a 'symbol' button so excuse the slight inaccuracy and...rough translation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filius Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Now also officially announced, including Pics: "guerilla specialists of the Primaris Space Marines", which "aren’t just about stealth, but terror", Primaris Marines in Knickerbocker Power Armour. Although neither the guerilla nor the stealth thing are very fenrisian, the Minis look just very much like hunters on the … uhm … hunt. And the Skull-Helmets of the Reivers can't even cannibalise the Design of the Chaplains within the Space Wolves, as there are just no Chaplains with (human) Skull Helmets on Fenris … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 certainly sounds like reivers are space marine scouts merged with an eversor assassin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filius Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Or just bulkier Raven Guard … without Jump Packs and Lightning Claws … in Knickerbockers … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Or just bulkier Raven Guard … without Jump Packs and Lightning Claws … in Knickerbockers … ^_^ They give the illusion of tau legs. Perfect for the tau-loving UM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 No need for glue means they are snap fit. Enjoy your mono poses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graymane Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 *Reaches for scalpel, razor saw, green stuff and bits box* You say mono poses I say conversion challenge opportunity. Done my first already. :) RikuEru and Filius 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro_Ryu Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 To be fair. Mono pose marines are getting better all the time. My space hulk terminators are still some of my favourite models and the DI marines look a lot more lively than previous mono pose kits. Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garreck Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I'm terrible at conversions but monopose doesn't make my head hurt when the sculpts are good. GW already has some terrific exemplars of how good these primaris look in SW livery without a single modification. Given some of the conversion talent I've seen in this forum, I expect great things! Filius and Valerian 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Real Talk , the Dark Imperium Boxes have sold extremely well at my store and my wolves and my Templars look quite different. All I really did for my wolves was headswap to mostly bare heads. The models are easy to put together sure , but they definitely have a lot of room to mess with them RikuEru 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 My only real dislike of the primaris models are the chestplates. I never was a fan of the winged skull, and it is a real pain to cut it off ir hide it in some way. I just hope in the future they'll have upgrade sprues that include more chapter-specific versions of the chestplate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 And FYI, all the work you describe is needed is basically turning a monopose kit into a multipart kit JUST to make them barely acceptable model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I think this topic is done for now, I'm sure I don't need to explain why. This sort of behaviour is not acceptable on the B&C. Kelborn and Graymane 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) I've re-opened this thread as I believe it still has great merit, and except for the insulting personal posts which got it locked, was proceeding nicely. Please be courteous and friendly to your fellow board members. Future transgressions will unlikely have the thread locked vs resulting in offending frater being warned/addressed. Edited July 3, 2017 by Lord Ragnarok Valerian and Filius 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) lord ragnarok you have a dope name and a sweet profile pic. ---------------- so aggressors are the gravis devastators, a sweet spot between centurions and marines. some guy in News and rumors gave a description of the models. also I'll be using the Reivers I think, but I'll be converting them to make them look like 13th company Wulfen shock troops Edited July 3, 2017 by Triszin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filius Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 @Lord Ragnarok … thank you so much! I think, there really is still a long way to go for the Space Wolves Primaris. What came to my mind just today: Do we already know for sure, that the Primaris, which or not part of the current Indices are really given to the Space Wolves? I maybe can imagine (double subjunctive here!) that some of them are only given to the Vanilla Marines (is that an offensive Term?), just like the Centurions were. As the Space Wolves and Blood Angels, the two major Chapter with own Codices already have strong Close Combat Units, the Reivers maybe might (double subjunctive here!) become be vanilla-marines-only … just a thought. Although it would be sad for the Wolves though, in my very humble opinion … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 The new librarian whichbis not in the index, is said (at warhammer community) to be able to be taken by blood angels, space wolves etc. Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crd26a Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Given the releases of Primaris and their focus on single weapon options, is GW trying to limit the variety of options each marine can actually take to battle? This would minimize barriers to entry (unit does X and is outfitted only to do X) and end debates like GH vs WG we're having now. Long term would mean fewer options to have to field and defined roles for each troop type..... Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filius Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 The new librarian whichbis not in the index, is said (at warhammer community) to be able to be taken by blood angels, space wolves etc. Really? I missed that. That is … half-strange. On the one hand that's plausible, because they have been raised and trained by Imperial Psykers. On the other hand: The Rune-Priests and their "Kind of Magic" have been the special Snowflakes among the Psyker for so long that it would really feel weird to have a common Librarian among the Space Wolves; even for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filius Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 Given the releases of Primaris and their focus on single weapon options, is GW trying to limit the variety of options each marine can actually take to battle? This would minimize barriers to entry (unit does X and is outfitted only to do X) and end debates like GH vs WG we're having now. Long term would mean fewer options to have to field and defined roles for each troop type..... And I – very personally – would welcome that in general (Subjunctive! There's a "but" comming in the next paragraph!). The existence of the really nice and easy to use Warscroll Builder makes the List-Building-Part of the Hobby sooo much easier, especially compared to the current Indices (and their digital edition, which are even harder to use than the Codices before). And I do think, that we don't have something similiar for Warhammer 40.000 because of the much more complex options we have for units right now. And to be honest: I don't care too much, if I give 2 of my Grey Hunters Flamers or Plasma Guns. But … the elephant in the room, or better said the question is still: Will we see the phase out of the old Units or not? Every new thing we have seen so far about the product range focuses on the Primaris, which is not suprising. But it still supports the thesis, that we are not going to see more old-scale Marines. Which I don't like either … becauuuse – and here come the twist back to the Main Topic of the thread – I don't see a way how that can fit in with the current fluff and everything the Space Wolves were since 2nd Edition. But first a Step back: I always and still liked one Idea about the Game the most: It's not the Minis, that make the Army, that make them your Dudes; it's the colour Scheme and the Fluff. I would be happy as a bird with a french fry, when all Chapter would share the same Set of Minis and maybe an Upgrade-Sprue for each Chapter with Wolf-Tails, bearded Heads and so on. Soo … from this point of view I would be fine, with the Primaris replacing the old Minis. But (and this is the main "but")… the way the fluff of the Primaris is built up now, does not allow – in my very humble opinion – that there can be every a real primaris-only Space Wolves Chapter (not talking about successors here!). The whole concept of Units as stages of your "carrer" within the Chapter just get's lost. I really don't see how that can be mixed with new design of the Primaris Units … … but (a final chance, that everything will still be good) … we don't know too much yet, I hardly ever exclude the chance of a Dan Abnett writing a brilliant Novel that explains everything and make everything good again … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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