Gen.Steiner Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Chimera autocannon turrets lose out to Taurox autocannons - 2 shots against 4 shots for less points. I'd rather stick with the multi-laser/heavy bolter combination or heavy bolter/heavy bolter combination for fire support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 With firepoints gone the Taurox just looks better and better. Rules wise that is, the model is still gloriously ugly. I need more! Is the Chimera still a command vehicle? My Index is at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Don't forget the Chimera has way more guns - including the Lasgun array! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H311fi5h Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Is the Chimera still a command vehicle? My Index is at home. Unfortunately no. I feel the Chimera is the actual transport first, and fire support second. The Taurox is a gun platform that happens to have the option to transport things. In most missions, camping your deployment zone isn't really an option. You have to go forward. The dual flamer Chimera is one of the best tools for exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) Eh, the Taurox can also take a stubber/storm bolter. Still, T7 makes a significant difference versus S6 and S7 weapons, and the extra capacity allows more flexibility. That's basically the difference. Since neither vehicle ignore modifiers for moving and firing heavy weapons, the load-out difference is not a huge thing. Heavy flamers are crap for their cost and range. Edited June 23, 2017 by Withershadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 The Flamers are good that's true... especially if you're moving. And you can stick a character in there as well. At least I think we can all agree that the Stormlord is a better transport than both? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Never! The Gorgon is the best transport!*ahem*My current Guard army - Force Z - has 4 Tauroxes and 7 Chimeras. The Taurox has a role, but the Chimera is a better all round platform and a proper armoured infantry fighting vehicle. The Taurox is an APC first and foremost, really there to get a squad from A to B and give a bit of fire support on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Does anyone have the rules available for the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT? I said earlier but it's a model I've always loved the look of. I suspect the Stormlord will blow it out the water now rules wise unfortunately. I also have no idea what I would actually put in there. ThatOneMarshal 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truesight Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 The Salamander command vehicle gives a vehicle within 6'' a +1 to hit in the shooting phase. This means an executioner with 2 plasma sponsons cannot roll 1's for the purpose of overcharging while this thing is around. For 100 points with a heavy flamer and heavy bolter it makes them more interesting for sure. Also having an Officer of the Fleet running around is alot more enticing when they can give reroll 1's for all fliers against a target now, especially considering the amount of pain 6 lascannon Vendettas and BS 3+ 40 shot Vultures bring now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H311fi5h Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Any idea what the Trojan support vehicle does now? I got one specifically to give Leman Russ Executioners preferred enemy in 7th. I can't finde the Salamander on the Forge World site anymore. Is it still available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truesight Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 Any idea what the Trojan support vehicle does now? I got one specifically to give Leman Russ Executioners preferred enemy in 7th. I can't finde the Salamander on the Forge World site anymore. Is it still available? I'll just leave this here: https://imgur.com/a/9gfAe#BJhnl81 KasrkinRyu and H311fi5h 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H311fi5h Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Awesome thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasrkinRyu Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Vulture is cheap! Oh by the Emperors b----! I can finally have the 171st how I imagined! Excuse me while I go drink a toast to forge world and the Emperor. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major higgins Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Any idea what the Trojan support vehicle does now? I got one specifically to give Leman Russ Executioners preferred enemy in 7th. I can't finde the Salamander on the Forge World site anymore. Is it still available? Nothing about Krieg?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truesight Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 Nothing about Krieg?? They have a universal rule now called 'Cult of Sacrifice' which means they don't take morale checks against shooting. Pretty darn nice. Also a special characters but I don't know what he does yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Master Flex Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Any idea what the Trojan support vehicle does now? I got one specifically to give Leman Russ Executioners preferred enemy in 7th. I can't finde the Salamander on the Forge World site anymore. Is it still available? Nothing about Krieg?? Anything in particular you're after? I've got the index sat in front of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major higgins Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Nothing about Krieg?? They have a universal rule now called 'Cult of Sacrifice' which means they don't take morale checks against shooting. Pretty darn nice. Also a special characters but I don't know what he does yet. Nothing about Krieg?? They have a universal rule now called 'Cult of Sacrifice' which means they don't take morale checks against shooting. Pretty darn nice. Also a special characters but I don't know what he does yet. Aye, I've read about this, but how many points? Have you any pic of their index, such the previous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Master Flex Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Nothing about Krieg?? They have a universal rule now called 'Cult of Sacrifice' which means they don't take morale checks against shooting. Pretty darn nice. Also a special characters but I don't know what he does yet. Nothing about Krieg?? They have a universal rule now called 'Cult of Sacrifice' which means they don't take morale checks against shooting. Pretty darn nice. Also a special characters but I don't know what he does yet. Aye, I've read about this, but how many points? Have you any pic of their index, such the previous? *cough* http://imgur.com/a/NfcUr Truesight 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Anything on the Leman Russ Conqueror turret? I have an old one I purchased from 3rd edition Krash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major higgins Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 So no special Rules for Hades, artillery and thud gun? Practically they use the standard guard rules, and infantry and death riders use Krieg orders and rules, Am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 You people posting those imgur links act like everyone can read them. Not everyone can access them. Truesight- Its pretty well established its a natural 1 that causes the boom on overcharge, not modified. Unless GW FAQ'd it and I didn't notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Thanks guys, great stuff :) Can we have the Crassus transport rules though please :) Garlon: "You people"? That's an odd way to spell thank you! And it's unmodified in 8th, so assuming that no negative modifiers are in place that would stop Plasma going boom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Its not a thank you because I cant read them. So yes, "You people!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truesight Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 You people posting those imgur links act like everyone can read them. Not everyone can access them. Truesight- Its pretty well established its a natural 1 that causes the boom on overcharge, not modified. Unless GW FAQ'd it and I didn't notice. https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Warhammer_40000_Designers_Commentary-ENG.pdf Seems you missed one. Check out the 5th question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Master Flex Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Its not a thank you because I cant read them. So yes, "You people!" Should be public now try it again: http://imgur.com/a/NfcUr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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