Nusquam Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 The night is dark and full of beakies. Im so ready for this codex. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extropian Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) So, that Stratagem might well be kind of OP if you can use it on multiple units :D One thing though...this WILL be affected by the "half the army must start on the table" rule, so there's no dodging that. Edited July 21, 2017 by Extropian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Is it though? Says its set up in deployment and they come on before the game they're not reserves RAW? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 You can use it on multiple units, its right under Strategic Discipline. And yes, because you set them up outside of Deployment it does count against Tactical Reserves, but the whole point of the Brigade is to generate a lot of CP, which gives a higher unit threshold Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 And if you aren't going first you can deploy them defensively instead of aggressively. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 How are you guys even able to read these lol? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluthusten Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 What do you guys think about the Primaris? Hellblaster- and Interceptor-Squads. Placed Right Infront of the enemy, shooting the :cuss out of him? And which Dreadnought is the best for "Stay behind, shot and benefit from -1 hit CT? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluthusten Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 And noone talked about bikes. I think they can be very scary and hard to kill. They are fast enough to stay 12" away and still can shoot TURBULENCE 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 And if you aren't going first you can deploy them defensively instead of aggressively. There is a good breakdown of the leaks today on the 40k sub on reddit. I'm stoked for these changes. I only played a few games in 7th but these new rules are great, the CT's for RG are great, and the stategums look awesome. The reivers rules for 'outflanking' are awesome as well. I guess I'm going to have to pick up a box of them to get a squad in the list as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 What do you guys think about the Primaris? Hellblaster- and Interceptor-Squads. Placed Right Infront of the enemy, shooting the out of him? And which Dreadnought is the best for "Stay behind, shot and benefit from -1 hit CT? Venerable dread with 2 twin autocannons. Toss in a nearby captain and hes hitting on 2+ rerolling 1s. Very good. I think the sauce is going to be two ironclad dreads with 2 heavy flamers using the strike from the shadows stratagem. Who wants two of those beasts in their face on turn 1? Not me :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrowkyn Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Ironclads don't have the INFANTRY keyword so can't be used in "Strike from the Shadows" Centurions do though and Hellblasters will be strong as well! Edited July 21, 2017 by Sharrowkyn Bluthusten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrieker Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 The mob has spoke RB, RG are broken OP! Haha I never thought i'd see the day... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluthusten Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 What about the "new" aggressors? They might have the "infantry" - keyword :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extropian Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) What about the "new" aggressors? They might have the "infantry" - keyword They sure do, and a unit of 3 will be pumping 36 boltstorm shots into an enemy on turn 1 if they don't move. Or just go all in with 5 firing a cool 60 shots, probably re-rolling misses due to Shrike being nearby. Oh, and another 10d6 frag shots. What. The. Actual. . Can somebody check I'm reading at right please? Ok, I am reading it right. So. Max unit is 6. That's 36 bolt shots, plus an average of 21 frag shots. Twice. For a total of 114 shots on average per unit, re-rolling misses. Put 2 units with Shrike using Strike From Shadows, for 228 shots. Average hits = 203 Wounds against T4 = 101 34 wounds after saves against 3+ armour save. Alternatively it's 84 dead Ork Boys. So...yeah. That's a thing, and I sincerely hope I have it wrong....but I don't think that I do. Edited July 22, 2017 by WarriorFish Swear filter dodge removed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) aggressors I can see being decent, though imo assault centurions would be better with sfts Edited July 21, 2017 by SkimaskMohawk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extropian Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 aggressors I can see being decent, though imo assault centurions would be better with sfts Not even close on sheer damage output. Aggressors are an insane alpha strike. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluthusten Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 What about pointcosts? Maybe 2x6 are to expensive... So we should take 2x3 and fill the rest with better options for killing tanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuittzz Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Where are you guys seeing the stratagem? I can't see it anywhere on that page. Edit: Found the reddit images Edited July 21, 2017 by Biscuittzz Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluthusten Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 And what do you think about Interceptors? Are they worth? Or better take Vanguards? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extropian Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 What about pointcosts? Maybe 2x6 are to expensive... So we should take 2x3 and fill the rest with better options for killing tanks Yeah, I can only hope points are very high. But even then they can charge with their power fists too for tanks.... So much for conscript or Boyz spam though! And what do you think about Interceptors? Are they worth? Or better take Vanguards? Different roll. Inceptors arent melee troops really, they are mid range, highly mobile shooters that die really fast. Vanguards are Betty in melee, Inceptors shoot much better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Reivers with bolt carbines look so good. I knew I was getti g aggressors and reivers but now i may need more for both Raptors and Carcharodons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluthusten Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Yeah....they have 18" range. So you can jump (+advance) to enemy units to finish them off with boltshots and watch out for the 12" to other enemy units for the -1 to hit Reivers with bolt carbines look so good. I knew I was getti g aggressors and reivers but now i may need more for both Raptors and CarcharodonsWhere can i see the reaver rules? Edited July 21, 2017 by Bluthusten Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 aggressors I can see being decent, though imo assault centurions would be better with sftsNot even close on sheer damage output. Aggressors are an insane alpha strike. Sheer potential maybe. But it's all str 4 with no modifiers, it falls off fast against higher toughness and saves; 5 dudes getting max shots does 13ish unsaved wounds against Power Armour? 6.8 against terminators or Marines in cover? Thats one of the more underwhelming alpha strike units I've seen. Assault centurions can deal with a variety of units (infantry, flyers to an extent, multi wound) and are more durable on top of that. Granted, aggressors are half the cost, but I'd take 3 hurricane flame cents over 5 dakka aggros any day Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Nvm, did the math, cents are better with melee for potential unsaved wounds vs t4 3+ save. So yea, take aggros if you need the points, but really just take something else Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluthusten Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 So what we take for our perfect alphastrike? Smth like: -Captain with jumppack -5 Man Hellblaster Squad -3 Assault-Cents with flamers and Hurricane-Bolter It's about 570 Points. Rest of the list are Shrike, 2-3 units Vanguard and maybe some shooty support. Camo-Snipers, Devastor Marines or smth like that. What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336773-our-very-own-chapter-focus/page/9/#findComment-4827917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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