bluntblade Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Viz Horus' forces, he had Titan Legions, Knight Houses, Army regiments and Solar Auxilia besides the Astartes under his command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Hmmm to be honest I would rather Abbadon slip on a banana peel at the crucial moment and then Sig skewers him like a pig with the Black Sword. Ugh. Even as a person who generally advocates that Abaddon is a completely unnecessary component of the setting that generally doesn't need to be there, that made me roll my eyes to the back of my head. I never read much about Sigismund, but the way people talk about him...as what seems to be a Mary Sue...and where they want him to go...which is to continue to be a badly written Mary Sue....doesn't make me want to start. He's not a badly written Mary Sue. People describe him as a Mary Sue online (hence the screeching at his death). I am considering looking into him more, I mean i'v never disliked any of the Imperial Fist characters including the very few bits of Sigismund I have seen, and you're probably right and he's a very well written character. But every single time I see someone talk about him online it seems to devolve into a trashfire, and I can't help but hesitate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 But I expected his death to have some lasting purpose. An actual glorious one. What would that look like, in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Hey dude I'm not a writter. :D Nor do I have aspirations/talent to be one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Think about Saul Tarvitz's death. He was just obliterated from orbit after all his heroics, and Istvaan 5 still went off pretty perfectly for the traitors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yeah I didn't like that one at all. :/ But at least he managed to give warning to Garro and the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 30k is a dangerous time to be a hero, I'm already getting upset over Loken's inevitable death. Heroes in 40k are much safer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Remember that anything can be retconned at anytime and it happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanse And Purify Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I think every hero getting a stereotypically glorious death would get boring and predictable anyways. Also goes contrary to the theme of setting IMO. No matter how important or awesome you are, in the end it's still an eternity of war beneath the laughter of thirsting gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I can get more of where you're coming from now, Sete. Thanks for clarifying. I still disagree, but understand and respect your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I think every hero getting a stereotypically glorious death would get boring and predictable anyways. Also goes contrary to the theme of setting IMO. No matter how important or awesome you are, in the end it's still an eternity of war beneath the laughter of thirsting gods. So much this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I like my heroes to die like bad company/1st claw did. In a bloody mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 That's the beauty of the setting. Even the "heroes" get squashed just like all the rest of the fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Ahhh such a curious novel. From one point author contradicts his own logistics with hundreds of thousands of CSM, ignoring all the HH, Legion wars, Warp casulties, new recruitment issues. On the other hand I just read one of the best depiction of ships classes, environmental deaths and that's not even the void war part. Just for the void warfare I like your book A D-B. So missed good, old 'burning' ships in the emptiness of space Hope 'void war' part will not disappoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanse And Purify Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Pretty sure the book says hundreds of thousands of warriors, not hundreds of thousands of legionaries. Warriors =/= legionaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Pretty sure the book says hundreds of thousands of warriors, not hundreds of thousands of legionaries. Warriors =/= legionaries. Khayon meant the real stuff (SM) not the chuff he despised. Also - geeze Nefertari. Yes - she is a proffesional killer by druchi or xenos standards. But champion for a high level CSM sorceror vs Champions of the warbands of Chaos Gods, generals of the old war with hundreds of years of battlefield experience? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 The book isn't even widely available. If ya don't want spoilers, why enter the thread right now. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I think everybody knows by the outcome. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 But when the term Mary Sue is used there will be a black vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 So is Dorn not around, didn't he go missing at the First Black Crusade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 The first Black Crusade has barely started as of this book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Would make sense. Dorn retrieves the body of his once most trusted / beloved son including the Black Legions message. He goes nuts and turns his rage mode on, chasing after traitors. During the 1st Black Crusade, he exaggerates and gets lost or dies, whatever GW will make of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I believe it's been said that Dorn dies after Abaddon's 1st Black Crusade, but before his 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Not content with killing Sigismund. Abaddon kills Dorn in single combat because Dorn attacks in a fit of rage. The Chaos team laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Pretty sure the lore (although it can be changed) states that Dorn was killed in A black crusade not THE First Black Crusade. I think because of roughly when in the timeline it is often assumed the be the First Black Crusade. Pretty sure the lore doesn't state it is one of Abaddons Black Crusades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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