hhhdan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 My geuss is the big beastie will be heavy. That's most likely, but i don't think that taking 3 Mutaliths is a good way to fill the brigade on the cheap, unless they are ~100 pts each Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 They will be fair pts cost with good rules to get them to sell when its released alongside TS codex. Currently theyre unavail Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 At $85 US each the mutalith will not be high on my priority list, let alone 3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhdan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 At $85 US each the mutalith will not be high on my priority list, let alone 3. Well, the model is great, so i will definitely have 1, but depending on the rules might get more to fill the brigade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 They will be fair pts cost with good rules to get them to sell when its released alongside TS codex. Currently theyre unavail I that's probably true but our current sole fast attack option has a 7" move so you know it might not turn out great either. Wouldn't want people to not buy Space Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Drakes are FA tho? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yergerjo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Flyers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 It's probably nothing but there is an excerpt in the Daemon codex with some cool writings from Ahriman. He mentions Kairic cultists I very much doubt we are getting Kairic Acolytes as rules considering the rate at which people proxy them as cultists.. Would be a fair replacement, though personally I am partial to the silent and beak-headed robed fellas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGuy Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Drakes are flyers. Do you guys think that a Herald + 3x Flamer as a Vanguard detachment is worth it to unlock the Daemon stratagems? Yes a patrol with Herald + Brimstones is cheaper but the flames now have 12" range and their weapons are S user so they actually profit from the Herald being nearby. They would also help to deal with hordes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhdan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 It's probably nothing but there is an excerpt in the Daemon codex with some cool writings from Ahriman. He mentions Kairic cultists I very much doubt we are getting Kairic Acolytes as rules considering the rate at which people proxy them as cultists.. Would be a fair replacement, though personally I am partial to the silent and beak-headed robed fellas. Apparently Kairic acolytes are also mentioned in Kor-Phaeron audio drama... I'll just use them as cultists or allied renegades and heretics. A cheap renegade and heretic brigade as a command point factory for daemons and sons? its 426 pts for the cheapest brigade: 3x renegade commanders 6x brimstone horrors 3x spawn 3x command squad 3x mortar heavy weapon squad Don't think it will be a great option though, as 1/5 of the army is just chaff which does nothing... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhdan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Drakes are flyers. Do you guys think that a Herald + 3x Flamer as a Vanguard detachment is worth it to unlock the Daemon stratagems? Yes a patrol with Herald + Brimstones is cheaper but the flames now have 12" range and their weapons are S user so they actually profit from the Herald being nearby. They would also help to deal with hordes. I would rather go for the 3x exalted flamers + herald and then save some points to summon horrors or flamers. Exalted flamers are really versatile with the anti tank or anti infantry profiles. But also the now 3-shot blue flame (that can be S10 from the herald) will help a lot, as thousand sons struggle with killing vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I doubt the Mutalith will suck, ill definitely get one at some point if its decent. The thing is; I absolutely despise having multiples of the same tank/walker in the same army. I have one of each barring Rhinos and dreads (3 contemptors, 2 rhinos) So for me nabbing one just makes my list more varied. I dont like repeating especially with models that you cant really customize. but if its decent to "amazing" ill get it. lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Drakes are flyers. Do you guys think that a Herald + 3x Flamer as a Vanguard detachment is worth it to unlock the Daemon stratagems? Yes a patrol with Herald + Brimstones is cheaper but the flames now have 12" range and their weapons are S user so they actually profit from the Herald being nearby. They would also help to deal with hordes. That’s nice and cheap... probably what I’ll end up doing if I absolutely must deep strike Magnus. That said I’m waiting to see what the codex allows for body guard mechanisms ala Death Shroud Termies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 What was that thing about ITC and you cant use demon stratagems on CSM stuff with Daemon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I wouldn't count on that "deep strike primarch " strategem working very long..... To clarify; Word going around is that ITC is not allowing CSM detachments to use daemon strategems Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Yeah, there it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 Are they not allowing cross codex use at all or just between daemons and CSM? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Daemon Strategems on Daemon book units only, aura's etc would still work. Apparently its coming down in a GW faq as per FLG. They have an inside on GW as they ruletest but we will see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 Well I'm not as interested in the strategems as I am the auras and loci. I was going to pick up codex daemons on the first day, but i think ill wait for the FAQ before i drop more money on kits and books. That just means more for Tzaangors though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Yah I already have the Daemon book ordered, but I also run a TS/Daemon Mix so it works great. I think the flexibility of having Daemons adds a lot of missing pieces and tactics to the TS, can't wait until the Book drops next month. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 Here is a quote from FLG, looks like GW will FAQ that by making the distinction between faction keyword and the normal keywords. I would assume if I was a Daemon player that a Daemon FAQ would be coming out quickly on the heels of the Daemon book as has been the case with other Codex releases. We will look to GW to answer these questions but no, I would not plan on deep-striking (or any other similar uses of stratagems) Magnus, Mortarion, the Lord of Skulls, etc. with the Daemon codex. I’d work on the assumption that only Daemon Faction Keyword units can use the Codex Daemon stratagems. Url for those interested https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2018/01/11/40k-championships-at-the-lvo-update/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Wow that really sucks but it was to be expected especially with how powerful some of the stuff is especially the deep striking of Primarchs or Daemon engines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Makes enough sense, I hope that the errata doesn't nix it completely.... If so then We have to hope even more for the 1k sons codex to be the whole shebang! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 That's silly. GW themselves said that after list building faction keywords and regular keywords are the same. I also remember FLG announcing to get rid of most of their houserules once the CA drops since the game will be mostly perfect the way it is then and that didn't happen either so I don't really trust whatever inside knowledge they think they might have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4980924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 That's silly. GW themselves said that after list building faction keywords and regular keywords are the same. Yep the designer said it last fri live, saw it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339720-with-an-eye-to-the-past-i-look-try-to-divine-the-future/page/23/#findComment-4981139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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