Morticon Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Good job on the win! So I take it you’re looking for some heavy hitters in the elite section. How about a Deredeo then? They put out some solid dakka and are sturdier than your average dread. With the pavise you could even protect some back line units. Didnt know what it did/was - but its actually a solid option. Dont have one though :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are Verlo Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) If you are looking for mobile anti-tank then the sicaran venator is a beast. CA reduced the price to 178 for a tank with HB and neutron laser.Add sponsons to taste. It comes with an ability that ignores -1 to hit for moving and shooting heavy weapons AND had a movement of 14” Edit: Missed the point value by 2 points. The price for a venator with neutron and HB is 180, not 178... Edited February 2, 2018 by Are Verlo Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diagramdude Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Mort, did you get an auto slaughter on the passengers by surrounding the transport?!!! I've only had it work ONCE on a Rhino, so I wanna know if it's been actually successfully done on other transports!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Mort, did you get an auto slaughter on the passengers by surrounding the transport?!!! I've only had it work ONCE on a Rhino, so I wanna know if it's been actually successfully done on other transports!!! Yessir. 16" charge on to a venom that was packed with all his HQs. He wont make that mistake again :D If you are looking for mobile anti-tank then the sicaran venator is a beast. CA reduced the price to 178 for a tank with HB and neutron laser. Add sponsons to taste. It comes with an ability that ignores -1 to hit for moving and shooting heavy weapons AND had a movement of 14” Something to look into!!! At the moment, though, I've stumbled on the Hyperios! only 120 points - sure, its got -1 for most targets- but, with S8 and -2 dam...not needing LOS, i think i'll take it. I will need to lose one dread and the rapier battery to fit two into my list- but i think it works. Other alternative is a more tactical approach. Lose one dread, a tarantula and the rapier, and then pick up a Hyperios and an Intercessor Squad ! Not as good as the guard though, which is my main issue - so i feel id like it vs. them. Aothaine 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Mort, did you get an auto slaughter on the passengers by surrounding the transport?!!! I've only had it work ONCE on a Rhino, so I wanna know if it's been actually successfully done on other transports!!! Yessir. 16" charge on to a venom that was packed with all his HQs. He wont make that mistake again 16" charge? I hope the additional 4" was just what you needed to surround it since you can't declare charges on units more than 12" away even if you could roll high enough. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 If you are looking for mobile anti-tank then the sicaran venator is a beast. CA reduced the price to 178 for a tank with HB and neutron laser. Add sponsons to taste. It comes with an ability that ignores -1 to hit for moving and shooting heavy weapons AND had a movement of 14” Gonna try this: Captain Priest (or Chap) Mephy Miner 2x5 Tac- 2lascannon 2x5 Scouts- 2HB 2x5 Scouts - 1axe 8DC - 2hammer 8 VV - 6shields, 2axe, hammer Venator Tarantula Tarantula 8 ASM - melta, hammer Rapier - mortar Rapier - mortar Hyperios Whirly Eversor Mort, did you get an auto slaughter on the passengers by surrounding the transport?!!! I've only had it work ONCE on a Rhino, so I wanna know if it's been actually successfully done on other transports!!! Yessir. 16" charge on to a venom that was packed with all his HQs. He wont make that mistake again 16" charge? I hope the additional 4" was just what you needed to surround it since you can't declare charges on units more than 12" away even if you could roll high enough. ^^ Dropped in 9" away - so 16" was gold. Panzer and librisrouge 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diagramdude Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 How many models did it take to complete the surround and which unit got the glory? Was your opponent aware his passengers were doomed by rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 How many models did it take to complete the surround and which unit got the glory? Was your opponent aware his passengers were doomed by rule? The venom is really small thankfully, so I had no real problems doing it with 8 models. My opponents saw me meticulously moving, then declaring the inches away from the venom - he mentioned that he had fly (thinking the move was to try lock him in). After I killed it, he started measuring from the model, I explained the .99, and the 1.25 bases - and he took it like a champ. But, had no idea it was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Interestingly we barely play with transports in our group (AdMech, Tyranids, GK, Orks, AM/DG) so haven't had the chance to try it myself yet but I'm really looking forward to see the face of my opponent afterwards. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcadian Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 If you are looking for mobile anti-tank then the sicaran venator is a beast. CA reduced the price to 178 for a tank with HB and neutron laser. Add sponsons to taste. It comes with an ability that ignores -1 to hit for moving and shooting heavy weapons AND had a movement of 14” Gonna try this: Captain Priest (or Chap) Mephy Miner 2x5 Tac- 2lascannon 2x5 Scouts- 2HB 2x5 Scouts - 1axe 8DC - 2hammer 8 VV - 6shields, 2axe, hammer Venator Tarantula Tarantula 8 ASM - melta, hammer Rapier - mortar Rapier - mortar Hyperios Whirly Eversor Mort, did you get an auto slaughter on the passengers by surrounding the transport?!!! I've only had it work ONCE on a Rhino, so I wanna know if it's been actually successfully done on other transports!!! Yessir. 16" charge on to a venom that was packed with all his HQs. He wont make that mistake again 16" charge? I hope the additional 4" was just what you needed to surround it since you can't declare charges on units more than 12" away even if you could roll high enough. ^^ Dropped in 9" away - so 16" was gold. I second the Venator also, it was surprisingly good when I proxied it recently. Not necessarily better than the regular Sicaran which is more versatile, but still pretty good. What does the Eversor do in your list? I wish I’d get to sourround kill a transport, too. But the only one bringing them is our Eldar player and Serpents and Falcons are huge :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diagramdude Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mort how do you fit in the Eversor and Miner and stay battle forged? Are you running two Aux Supports for -2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are Verlo Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 If you are looking for mobile anti-tank then the sicaran venator is a beast. CA reduced the price to 178 for a tank with HB and neutron laser. Add sponsons to taste. It comes with an ability that ignores -1 to hit for moving and shooting heavy weapons AND had a movement of 14” Gonna try this: Captain Priest (or Chap) Mephy Miner 2x5 Tac- 2lascannon 2x5 Scouts- 2HB 2x5 Scouts - 1axe 8DC - 2hammer 8 VV - 6shields, 2axe, hammer Venator Tarantula Tarantula 8 ASM - melta, hammer Rapier - mortar Rapier - mortar Hyperios Whirly Eversor Mort, did you get an auto slaughter on the passengers by surrounding the transport?!!! I've only had it work ONCE on a Rhino, so I wanna know if it's been actually successfully done on other transports!!!Yessir. 16" charge on to a venom that was packed with all his HQs. He wont make that mistake again 16" charge? I hope the additional 4" was just what you needed to surround it since you can't declare charges on units more than 12" away even if you could roll high enough. ^^ Dropped in 9" away - so 16" was gold. I second the Venator also, it was surprisingly good when I proxied it recently. Not necessarily better than the regular Sicaran which is more versatile, but still pretty good. What does the Eversor do in your list? I wish I’d get to sourround kill a transport, too. But the only one bringing them is our Eldar player and Serpents and Falcons are huge :/ I would actually rate the venator higher for anti-tank duty. The neutron is great vs "rhino chassis"-class vehicles, great vs monsters and LoWs. And it can fire both lascannon sponsons on the move. The Sicaran battle tank is also great, especially vs models with fly. But when it comes to heavy duty tank busting and other big game hunting the venator does it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 Mort how do you fit in the Eversor and Miner and stay battle forged? Are you running two Aux Supports for -2? Two Aux, yeh. As for the Evesor, with Frenzon, he's able to place from reserve and charge, meaning I can time my BA assaults far better. More things held up in combat if need be, too. Karhedron, Calistarius and Blackcadian 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Working the following vs Nigel today. Mephy Captain - artisan, wing, shield, hammer Lieut - veritas, fist, JP, bolter 5x Intercessors 5x Tactical Marines - lascannon 5x Scouts - bolters, HB 5x Scouts - shotguns, HB 5x Scouts - ccw, axe 5x Scouts - ccw Dread - las/auto Sicaran Venator 8x DC - JP, 2 Hammer, bolters 8x VV - 6shields, 2Axe, 1Hammer Quad Mortar Rapier Quad Mortar Rapier Quad Bolter Rapier Tarantula Tarantula 8x ASM - Hammer, Meltagun It's a play test of my tournament list for the weekend. I need something for the Russes - which is why the dread and the venator is there. I wish I could work in the Assassin, because i think he synergises very very well with the BA, but I just cant fit him in. I may have to go 2x Tacs if i cant get my Primaris painted in time. But, otherwise, Id like the Intercessor squad in there for a more varied and tactical list. I also lose out on the AM Miner, but also, points are far too tight, so poor mans miner in the form of the Veritas. If I need him back, i'll see where I can tweak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are Verlo Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 This list seems more focused, but before I make any «good» suggestions, you need to inform us of the missions in the tournament. How is the scoring worked out? Eternal war, maelstrom, custom or a combination? Your list should be really strong when playing maelstrom. It will easily reach objectives and has a decent presence in both the shooting- and melee(close combat?)phase, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 Are - we're using the following: For all Rule Book Eternal War Missions, a single roll-off for all will be done AFTER pairing is announced and tables allocated. The following FOUR missions will be rolled for, and no mission will be played more than once. Big Guns Never Tire The Scouring Emperor's Will The Relic The following CHAPTER APPROVED Missions will be in play: Front-line Warfare Scorched Earth Dominate and Destroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 Played Nigel's Orks.He was using Warboss on Bike, Warboss on Bike Big Mek - Bike, FF Beg Mek - FF Weird Boy Weird Boy 30 Boys - klaw 30 boys - klaw 2x 10 grots 15 Tankbustas - 6 squigbombs 15 Tankbustas - some squigbombs 5 Tankbustas - some squigbombs 10 Kommandos - klaw 2x Trakta guns Was a fun game. But absolutley caned him. Tabled in the 4th. I think i'm going to rock the Chappy over the Lieut - will make me weaker vs. the Guard, but stronger vs everything else. Also, I cant find my other sicaran in storage, so i'm not going to be able to build the venator - which is a HUGE pity. It does open up the miner though, for some tactical flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I'm kinda scared to face Orks on my own next time ... we have a new player in our group who started Orks so we have mostly played 2v2s or 3v3s to include her and still have bigger matches lately. Thing is she focusses on Warbikers and she constantly does well in our games. Having most of the army in your face round 2 with the bazillion of attacks raining down on you is scary even if you manage to kill half of the army during the first turn. And then her Warboss, Weirdboy and Boyz slowly reach your lines as well to bring the real pain. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcadian Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Exactly my thoughts. So far I haven’t been able to get a single win vs Orks in 8th :( There’s so many of them! And their vehicles may be shoddy but they’re resilient enough to bring a few squads home and they’re not bad in melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orblivion Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I'm kinda scared to face Orks on my own next time ... we have a new player in our group who started Orks so we have mostly played 2v2s or 3v3s to include her and still have bigger matches lately. Thing is she focusses on Warbikers and she constantly does well in our games. Having most of the army in your face round 2 with the bazillion of attacks raining down on you is scary even if you manage to kill half of the army during the first turn. And then her Warboss, Weirdboy and Boyz slowly reach your lines as well to bring the real pain. Sounds like maybe a good situation for a flamestorm Baal or two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 Exactly my thoughts. So far I haven’t been able to get a single win vs Orks in 8th There’s so many of them! And their vehicles may be shoddy but they’re resilient enough to bring a few squads home and they’re not bad in melee. What you fighting against? And what your rocking? Maybe start a thread on "Vs. Orks" and get the community to try help with some suggestions? Tristan is also rocking a VERY powerful, anti-meta ork list. I think its 14 ork warbosses on bikes, a squad of 30 grots and 2x 30 kommandos (i think). Basically messes with target priority until the bosses are in your lines ripping up your shiz. Panzer 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I'm kinda scared to face Orks on my own next time ... we have a new player in our group who started Orks so we have mostly played 2v2s or 3v3s to include her and still have bigger matches lately. Thing is she focusses on Warbikers and she constantly does well in our games. Having most of the army in your face round 2 with the bazillion of attacks raining down on you is scary even if you manage to kill half of the army during the first turn. And then her Warboss, Weirdboy and Boyz slowly reach your lines as well to bring the real pain. Sounds like maybe a good situation for a flamestorm Baal or two? Yeah probably. Too bad I'm building a Primaris only army (except for 4 HQ options). :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendent Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I'm kinda scared to face Orks on my own next time ... we have a new player in our group who started Orks so we have mostly played 2v2s or 3v3s to include her and still have bigger matches lately. Thing is she focusses on Warbikers and she constantly does well in our games. Having most of the army in your face round 2 with the bazillion of attacks raining down on you is scary even if you manage to kill half of the army during the first turn. And then her Warboss, Weirdboy and Boyz slowly reach your lines as well to bring the real pain. Sounds like maybe a good situation for a flamestorm Baal or two? Yeah probably. Too bad I'm building a Primaris only army (except for 4 HQ options). For what it's worth my strategy against Orks as well as most other footslogging assault-centric armies has been keeping my table footprint small for the first turn or two and using big groups of Intercessors to eat the charges. Once the orks are pinned against my line I like using jump infantry to counter-assault but that's less of an option with Primaris. I'd say Agressors are your best bet against a horde. That bike list would be incredibly hard to deal with but I think plasma of some sort is the way to go. Probably Hellblasters behind screening intercessors since Inceptors would just get after a single round of shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I'll most likely do exactly that (soaking up with Intercessors) but instead of counter charging, I'll drop some Inceptors and shoot them off the table. S5 AP-1 is devastating. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 So, current reworking of my list: I'm down on a Venator and am unlikely to have one for Saturday. So, I'm looking at the following: Miner (WL) Captain - hammer, wing, shield Chaplain - jp Mephiston 5x Sniper Scouts 5x Bolter Scouts + HB 5x CCW - Axe 5x Shotty Scouts 5x Tacs - Lascannon 5x Intercessors Dread - Las/Auto 8x DC - 2Hammers 8x VV - Hammer, 2Axe, 6 Shields 8x ASM - Fist 3x Inceptors (Plasma) Tarantula Rapier - HB Rapier - QM Rapier - QM Have a few points to play with, but i'm also toying with going Bolter Inceptors and instead of the HB rapier, going for a doulbe auto Mortis Dread in the heavy slot. I'm looking a little light on anti-tank, which is troubling - so, i dont know quite what to do. Another option is a double las Mortis. Yet another list is double auto-cannon mortis + 1 more mortar rapier. Thoughts here, lads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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