What would you want in future Primaris expansions?

[Ishagu]

Cawl and his tech priests are more like traditional scientists than your generic Magos, it's worth noting.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Speaking of Warsuits, I'm wondering if they'll use something similar to the Invictor as a way to let a "Dreadnought" be part of a jet pack deployment. Sticking grav-chutes or jump packs on a Redemptor chassis might be a little ridiculous, but starting with the Invictor and making a jump-enabled unit out of that could be worthwhile.

 

I mean, why bother even designating the Invictor as a TACTICAL Warsuit if they're not planning on bringing out at least one different class? And I think an ASSAULT Warsuit is a lot more likely than a Devastator variant (as the latter would be much tougher to differentiate from an actual Dreadnought - I think GW is inclined to release more Primaris Dreadnoughts rather than a Devastator Warsuit).

[Lord_Caerolion]

Speaking of Warsuits, I'm wondering if they'll use something similar to the Invictor as a way to let a "Dreadnought" be part of a jet pack deployment. Sticking grav-chutes or jump packs on a Redemptor chassis might be a little ridiculous, but starting with the Invictor and making a jump-enabled unit out of that could be worthwhile.

 

I mean, why bother even designating the Invictor as a TACTICAL Warsuit if they're not planning on bringing out at least one different class? And I think an ASSAULT Warsuit is a lot more likely than a Devastator variant (as the latter would be much tougher to differentiate from an actual Dreadnought - I think GW is inclined to release more Primaris Dreadnoughts rather than a Devastator Warsuit).

 

The same way that Terminator Armour is properly known as Tactical Dreadnought Armour, and we're yet to see any Assault Dreadnought Armour or Devastator Dreadnought Armour.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

 

Speaking of Warsuits, I'm wondering if they'll use something similar to the Invictor as a way to let a "Dreadnought" be part of a jet pack deployment. Sticking grav-chutes or jump packs on a Redemptor chassis might be a little ridiculous, but starting with the Invictor and making a jump-enabled unit out of that could be worthwhile.

 

I mean, why bother even designating the Invictor as a TACTICAL Warsuit if they're not planning on bringing out at least one different class? And I think an ASSAULT Warsuit is a lot more likely than a Devastator variant (as the latter would be much tougher to differentiate from an actual Dreadnought - I think GW is inclined to release more Primaris Dreadnoughts rather than a Devastator Warsuit).

 

The same way that Terminator Armour is properly known as Tactical Dreadnought Armour, and we're yet to see any Assault Dreadnought Armour or Devastator Dreadnought Armour.

 

 

Yeah, but "Tactical" in that case isn't a clear nod to the armor's actual force org designation. It IS in the case of the Invictor - GW said as much a while back on one of their livestreams. That's why the pilot in all of GW's promo photos of the Invictor has a Battleline icon on his shoulder.

[Lord_Caerolion]

Given GW has moved towards using Battleline instead of Tactical now that Primaris are a thing, I still don't see the use of Tactical as an indication that we'll see Assault/Devastator Warsuits, although I would love to be proven wrong.

[Biscuittzz]

Can't see a primaris techmarine happening. We had one and he got transformed into Feirros. Don't think they'd commit resources to two models of a limited role HQ ( Chap, Lib, Apoth, Tech). 

[Ishagu]

Of course it will happen, it's the only HQ role we don't have updated.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Given GW has moved towards using Battleline instead of Tactical now that Primaris are a thing, I still don't see the use of Tactical as an indication that we'll see Assault/Devastator Warsuits, although I would love to be proven wrong.

 

It's certainly no guarantee that we'll see Assault/Devastator suits, but the GW team clearly indicated that the use of *Tactical* in the Invictor's name was deliberate and intended to convey his role as a Battleline unit.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Can't see a primaris techmarine happening. We had one and he got transformed into Feirros. Don't think they'd commit resources to two models of a limited role HQ ( Chap, Lib, Apoth, Tech). 

 

Still waiting for a solid citation on Feirros ever being originally intended as a generic techmarine. Seems a lot more to me like he was always designed as an Iron Hands special character from the ground up just like Tigurius and Shrike were designed as special characters for their chapters. The fact that there hasn't been a generic Primaris techmarine doesn't prove anything - there was no need to add further to the glut of new Primaris character models at launch with a techmarine when all of the existing non-Primaris techmarines could repair the Repulsor and Redemptor just as well and most Marine armies at that point were still going to be largely firstborn. And he would have been out of place with the lightly-armored sneaky Vanguard units last year. If a themed Devastator/Spearhead wave comes and goes without a Primaris Techmarine, THEN it might be time to conclude that one isn't planned. But I strongly doubt that will happen.

[Lord Blackwood]

I  could have sworn long before Feirros was a thing  the model was leaked without iconography and everyone was certain a primaris techmarine was coming.  I might be losing my mind though. 

[Dracos]

Nope you remember exactly right. Maybe not everyone but it was close lol.

 

 

Primaris Techmarine is a must. How are the current techs ever going to be able to cross the threshold that holds the Firstborn at bay 

 

We have the totally never competitively used Primaris Ancient and Apothecary I said competitvely used ;)) So while I couldn't say 100% but I can hope we eventually get Champions and Techmarines.

 

I likely still wouldn't use either but our Black Templar and Salamander (and Iron Hands) could use a flavorful addition the Primaris line. I'd like to see both those models better buffed by those two Chapters than anyone else. Iron Hands are last in need of a buff and while we're at it give our White Scar Brothers their darn Primaris Bikes!!!

Edited May 4, 2020 by Dracos

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

I  could have sworn long before Feirros was a thing  the model was leaked without iconography and everyone was certain a primaris techmarine was coming.  I might be losing my mind though. 

 

The first anyone saw of that model was when it was unveiled at the Australian Championship a week before Warhammer Fest last year. However, even though they stated in that same reveal that he was an Iron Hands named character, I remember more than one subsequent post from people who somehow missed all of that and thought he was just a standard techmarine painted in Iron Hands colors. And it was quite a few months after that before we saw anything more of him, or even had his name confirmed.

 

Another explanation may be that because the Australian championship wasn't a huge event, a lot of people missed the original reveal and only saw him for the first time a week later in news feeds from Warhammer Fest. GW didn't actually show or mention him in THAT preview article, but his unpainted model and sprue were at the event and a lot of people may have seen those photos on fan sites (or even seen the model in person at Warhammer Fest) and managed to somehow completely miss the obvious Iron Hands influence and took him to be a generic Primaris Techmarine.

Nope you remember exactly right. 

 

Link? I don't remember ANYONE talking about an actual Primaris Techmarine model being sighted prior to that Australian Championship event.

Edited May 4, 2020 by Lord Nord

[Dracos]

Sorry no links, just memory. Last year there was half dozen Rumor Engines showing pieces that got a lot of people worked up about a Primaris Techmarine. I imagine that and the numerous wishlist led to a mistaking a lot of "leaked" material.

 

 . . . and then the Iron Hands supplement came out. There was a mix or joy over what the character could do and a lot more wishing they'd made it a non-character model because it looked so generic.

 

 

PS: I think they missed an opportunity not releasing a non-character model. WOuld have sold like apples during the Iron Hand meta.

Edited May 4, 2020 by Dracos

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Sorry no links, just memory. Last year there was half dozen Rumor Engines showing pieces that got a lot of people worked up about a Primaris Techmarine. I imagine that and the numerous wishlist led to a mistaking a lot of "leaked" material.

 

 . . . and then the Iron Hands supplement came out. There was a mix or joy over what the character could do and a lot more wishing they'd made it a non-character model because it looked so generic.

 

 

PS: I think they missed an opportunity not releasing a non-character model. WOuld have sold like apples during the Iron Hand meta.

 

A half-dozen alleged Rumor Engine pics doesn't equate to the model being leaked without iconography. The former doesn't require the model to have been subsequently changed, the latter does.

 

EDIT: The more I think back about it, the more I'm starting to be convinced that memories of the full model being leaked without iconography were indeed cases of people missing the Australian Championship reveal and seeing the unpainted model for the first time the following week with no commentary from GW and simply thinking "Ermagerd, it's a generic Primaris Techmarine! Huzzah!"

Edited May 4, 2020 by Lord Nord

[Ishagu]

He was always an Iron Hands character, right from the very start.

 

I even posted on Facebook and had a response from the community team about it. I asked if he was a generic model painted up because the iconography wasn't clear, but they confirmed that he was indeed a chapter specific sculpt.

Edited May 4, 2020 by Ishagu

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Good job Ishagu.

[Spinsanity]

He was always an Iron Hands character, right from the very start.

 

I even posted on Facebook and had a response from the community team about it. I asked if he was a generic model painted up because the iconography wasn't clear, but they confirmed that he was indeed a chapter specific sculpt.

To be fair though, by the time the reveal occurred the decision to turn him into a named character would already have been made, assuming he originally was meant to be a generic Primaris techmarine...

[Ishagu]

To be fair the Iron Hands aren't the most ostentatious.

The Feirros model has a bionic arm, a cog wheel shoulder pouldron and the clan symbol. I would say those are all the hallmarks of an Iron Hand character.

 

I wouldn't put money on him being anything other than an Iron Hand at any point during the design process.

[Hymnblade]

Plenty of special characters are a sculpted symbol and 1-2 unique weapons or body parts away from a generic character. It's not like Feirros is uniquely bland.

[Ishagu]

Here's the thing; he came out as part of the wave of supplements that features a hero for each chapter in the main codex.

 

He was planned a long time back alongside all the other Primaris named characters and books that were released.

 

I'm actually expecting a generic techmarine in the next release wave. There's also at least one new vehicle so the time feels right.

Edited May 5, 2020 by Ishagu

[War Angel]

Is the vehicle a guess or do you have reason to believe a new vehicle is on the way? What kind of vehicle?

[Lord_Caerolion]

There's been that blurry photo floating around, unless that got debunked.

 

I can see a Techmarine coming out in the eventual Gravis wave.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

There's been that blurry photo floating around, unless that got debunked.

 

I can see a Techmarine coming out in the eventual Gravis wave.

 

The photo is apparently legit - I know some people like to dump on Valrak, but the same source who sent him Ragnar's datasheet in advance also confirmed the photo. It was apparently part of a document they sent out to their external playtesters. (EDIT: To be clear, I believe it was a thumbnail that was included with the document FILE, not an actual physical photo that was sent out).

 

And I agree the Techmarine would probably be more at home in the heavy hitter Gravis wave, which is probably coming next year. This year would be a better place for the Primaris Champion model, given that he would share at least the Close Support role with some of the speedy boys (and although they weren't in the photo, I still think we'll see those Breacher-type units from the Iron Hands supplement this year. GW can always excuse their inclusion in a "Fast Attack" wave by reasoning that they often hitch a ride on an Impulsor or a new transport build of the speeder kit if they release such a thing. A Primaris Champion would make sense thematically alongside them).

Edited May 5, 2020 by Lord Nord

[Red_Shift]

A primaris champion would be very nice to see but he would need some buddies to go with him. All the more reason to hope for primaris breachers with melee options.

 

Still waiting for the debut of melta in the primaris line and I would love to see some terminator equivalents in suits like Garadons with a shoulder mounted weapon in addition to arm options. Could have a varient with a cyclone missile launcher which would be nice.

[Marshal Rohr]

Been building a bunch of Primaris during lockdown. As I’m going through I’m mentally clocking things I hope they expand on and forcing myself to resist the impulse to convert things that may come later.

 

I’d like to see the Primaris units come in groups of 3. Reivers, Infiltrators/Incursors, and a close support weapons squad with meltas and flamers to round out Phobos infantry. Intercessors, Hellblasters, and a third close combat unit with shields and a bolter or power weapon. Agressors could use an ‘artillery variant with autocannons and gatling cannons with larger back mounted missile systems and a dedicated assault configuration that uses swords/axes and short range plasma to not step on the toes of fire bats/fist aggressors. I’d like to see flying infantry have a trinity in suppressors, inceptors, and a tacticus Assault variant. One off specialist units like the Snipers can stay unique, I can’t see much else to expand with them.

 

Tank wise the Repulsor and Executioner could use an assault transport variant. The Impulsor could use a full ten man version and an artillery version. An artillery dreadnaught could be cool too.

 

I’d love to see an overlord eventually but it’s probably too big. Maybe a Primaris Storm Raven with a cooler design would be nice middle ground. I’d buy three, to be honest.