TiguriusX Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Bjorn gets the Heavy Flamer stock. So he only has to pay 28 points to upgrade to the Twin LasCannon (he gets 22 points for trading in the Assault Cannon). Again, I checked Battlescribe. They have Bjorn listed at 219 points before any modification. They are wrong. That is why they have his total here as 247 (219 + 28). It should be 218 (180 + 28). (<-- EDIT: 208, thanks GrFlur.) This is all wrong. You are starting from a flawed premise. Bjorn is 180 base and you pay for ALL his wargear. Even stock. It literally says "DOES NOT INCLUDE WARGEAR" right next to his codex entry. He is separate from the named HQs because he has custom gun loadouts that change his cost His "base" cost is heavy flamer and assault cannon which is absolutely correct at 219 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Hey guys, my core army is cataphractii teleportating in. Should I select as a default Saga of Hunter so I can move 4, advance 1d6 and charge 2d6 since I'll be 9 inches away from enemy units (assuming they don't move of course) the turn after I teleported in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 your best bet is to teleport next to wulfen and reroll the charge people will just walk away from something with 4" movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Bjorn gets the Heavy Flamer stock. So he only has to pay 28 points to upgrade to the Twin LasCannon (he gets 22 points for trading in the Assault Cannon). Again, I checked Battlescribe. They have Bjorn listed at 219 points before any modification. They are wrong. That is why they have his total here as 247 (219 + 28). It should be 218 (180 + 28). (<-- EDIT: 208, thanks GrFlur.) This is all wrong. You are starting from a flawed premise. Bjorn is 180 base and you pay for ALL his wargear. Even stock. It literally says "DOES NOT INCLUDE WARGEAR" right next to his codex entry. He is separate from the named HQs because he has custom gun loadouts that change his cost His "base" cost is heavy flamer and assault cannon which is absolutely correct at 219 Derp. Yep. I probably started down Confusion Road when I looked at the base price for Arjac and saw that his cost between Codex and Battescribe DID match. But of course now I see he's only armed with his special weapon Foehammer, which doesn't have any points value. (Did I mention I'm REALLY new to 40k?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Young cub we love new blood in the pack. It is our duty to train you up. if you read the fluff you will learn the phrase i have seen the error in my ways and will correct it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Young cub we love new blood in the pack. It is our duty to train you up. if you read the fluff you will learn the phrase i have seen the error in my ways and will correct it Our lessons begin with a wet leopard growl... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrFlur Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Young cub we love new blood in the pack. It is our duty to train you up. if you read the fluff you will learn the phrase i have seen the error in my ways and will correct it Our lessons begin with a wet leopard growl... miau? meow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 so our wolf priest can take - Jump Pack: - Crozius - Power fist - Plasma pistol It says the model may take a power fist. but doesnt state it replaces anything.... So the above load out is legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 so our wolf priest can take - Jump Pack: - Crozius - Power fist - Plasma pistol It says the model may take a power fist. but doesnt state it replaces anything.... So the above load out is legal? That was my read yea. Not bad for some extra oomf on the charge if you have the points that I never do. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 so our wolf priest can take - Jump Pack: - Crozius - Power fist - Plasma pistol It says the model may take a power fist. but doesnt state it replaces anything.... So the above load out is legal? That was my read yea. Not bad for some extra oomf on the charge if you have the points that I never do. hidden POWER FIST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 so our wolf priest can take - Jump Pack: - Crozius - Power fist - Plasma pistol It says the model may take a power fist. but doesnt state it replaces anything.... So the above load out is legal? You could represent that pretty easily with a conversion of the "Chaplain with Power Fist" model as well. Only thing you'd need to do is sub in the Jet Pack and wolf up the Chaplain's appearance (the pistol on its hip is presumably meant to be a Bolt Pistol, but it could pass for a Plasma Pistol as well - for one thing, the Bolt Pistol would have to have its magazine removed to fit in that holster whereas the Plasma Pistol is just a tad too long for it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I am looking at intercessors, and aesthetics aside, they seem to be just Grey Hunters better weapons... Some stats, except weapons. You can get +6" and -1AP everything else is the same. Or Assault 2, everything else is the same. I guess you lose 2 special range weapons and 1 WGPL if you buy one. Just thinkingaybe they aren't that awful? Could move up the field and fire with the Assault 2 rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M.Redbeard Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I am looking at intercessors, and aesthetics aside, they seem to be just Grey Hunters better weapons... Some stats, except weapons. You can get +6" and -1AP everything else is the same. Or Assault 2, everything else is the same. I guess you lose 2 special range weapons and 1 WGPL if you buy one. Just thinkingaybe they aren't that awful? Could move up the field and fire with the Assault 2 rifle. I think they have their place. The extra survibability can make them decent objective holders and the added range means they can add a few shots even sitting back. One could argue that the extra points for the durability they are ok. There a few issues though. The lack of transports meaning they HAVE to sit back, that for just tax you are paying extra, and that if you add special weapons the Grey Hunters pack far more of a punch. I do still sometimes use them but I am not a huge fan of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 My Arjac and friends list. Still 10 CP. You can keep Arjac, Njal, WP and WGBL with the termies in reserve. Drop them all together and watch your opponent cry. Put the Wulfenstone on the WP. That extra attack stacks with Arjac's extra attack for WG. I believe the points are balanced to all you to keep all the termie guys in reserve during deployment so you can then drop them in turn 2 on your opponent. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [61 PL, 1052pts] +++ HQ +Bjorn the Fell-handed [12 PL, 219pts]: Assault cannon, Heavy flamerNjal Stormcaller in Runic Terminator Armour [8 PL, 153pts]: 1. Living Lightning, 2. Tempest's Wrath, 3. Murderous Hurricane+ Troops +Grey Hunters [8 PL, 96pts]: 4x Chainsword. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shieldGrey Hunters [8 PL, 96pts]: 4x Chainsword. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shieldGrey Hunters [8 PL, 96pts]: 4x Chainsword. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield+ Fast Attack +Fenrisian Wolves [2 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fenrisian Wolf+ Dedicated Transport +Razorback [5 PL, 120pts]: Twin lascannonRazorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannonRazorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [47 PL, 947pts] +++ HQ +Arjac Rockfist [7 PL, 145pts]Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Terminator Armour [6 PL, 127pts]: Storm shield, Thunder hammerWolf Priest in Terminator Armour [6 PL, 107pts]: Saga of Majesty, Storm bolter, Warlord+ Elites +Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [28 PL, 568pts]. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer. Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer++ Total: [108 PL, 1999pts] ++Created with BattleScribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Redbeard Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 My Arjac and friends list. Still 10 CP. You can keep Arjac, Njal, WP and WGBL with the termies in reserve. Drop them all together and watch your opponent cry. Put the Wulfenstone on the WP. That extra attack stacks with Arjac's extra attack for WG. I believe the points are balanced to all you to keep all the termie guys in reserve during deployment so you can then drop them in turn 2 on your opponent. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [61 PL, 1052pts] ++ + HQ + Bjorn the Fell-handed [12 PL, 219pts]: Assault cannon, Heavy flamer Njal Stormcaller in Runic Terminator Armour [8 PL, 153pts]: 1. Living Lightning, 2. Tempest's Wrath, 3. Murderous Hurricane + Troops + Grey Hunters [8 PL, 96pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield Grey Hunters [8 PL, 96pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield Grey Hunters [8 PL, 96pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield + Fast Attack + Fenrisian Wolves [2 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fenrisian Wolf + Dedicated Transport + Razorback [5 PL, 120pts]: Twin lascannon Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon ++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [47 PL, 947pts] ++ + HQ + Arjac Rockfist [7 PL, 145pts] Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Terminator Armour [6 PL, 127pts]: Storm shield, Thunder hammer Wolf Priest in Terminator Armour [6 PL, 107pts]: Saga of Majesty, Storm bolter, Warlord + Elites + Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [28 PL, 568pts] . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Thunder hammer ++ Total: [108 PL, 1999pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Sadly since the Beta rules use PL and not points, you'd be unable to DS the WP, Arjac, Najl and the TDA, since they add to over 40 PL out of the 60 (acutally it is a bit less, I think Battlescribe hasn't updated the PL fully yet, Arjac is a bit higher than that and the GH are lower). So if following the Beta PL rules, that wouldn't be possible (not that many people I think are actually caring about them). Seems like a fun list. Hard hitting. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrys Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 He's got two detachments in there (100-ish PL, not 60-ish), in the whole army. I guess the razorbacks, grey hunters, and bjorn would start on the table, right 13+13+13+12? So I think it would be OK? Or is it really by detachment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Redbeard Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 He's got two detachments in there (100-ish PL, not 60-ish), in the whole army. I guess the razorbacks, grey hunters, and bjorn would start on the table, right 13+13+13+12? So I think it would be OK? Or is it really by detachment?my bad about the total PL. But the GH are 6 PL now. So it is 3(6+5)+12+2, really on the table. Is goes to 47 on the table vs 55 on DS. Even before it was 53 vs. 55 so it was still over the limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordZeev Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Suggestion: drop the Fenwolves and the storm bolters from the Razorbacks and instead add 3 cyber wolves in a Outrider detachment. Gives you more objective grabbers + smite blockers and 1 more cp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Suggestion: drop the Fenwolves and the storm bolters from the Razorbacks and instead add 3 cyber wolves in a Outrider detachment. Gives you more objective grabbers + smite blockers and 1 more cp I kept the bolters, made some changes. I swapped out the WGBL with a WL in termie armor to still drop. I had to drop one whole termie and switch all their weapons to combi plasma instead of melta. With the WL there to provider rerolls to 1 it shouldn't make a difference. With the outrider detachment, I just use the WP with a jetpack on the table with Bjorn. This list now has 11 CP in it. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [59 PL, 1021pts] ++ + HQ + Bjorn the Fell-handed [12 PL, 219pts]: Assault cannon, Heavy flamer Njal Stormcaller in Runic Terminator Armour [8 PL, 153pts]: 1. Living Lightning, 2. Tempest's Wrath, 3. Murderous Hurricane + Troops + Grey Hunters [8 PL, 99pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield Grey Hunters [8 PL, 99pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield Grey Hunters [8 PL, 99pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield + Dedicated Transport + Razorback [5 PL, 120pts]: Twin lascannon Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon ++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [48 PL, 837pts] ++ + HQ + Arjac Rockfist [7 PL, 145pts] Wolf Lord in Terminator Armor [7 PL, 111pts]: Power sword, Storm bolter, Warlord . The Wulfen Stone: Trophy of Fenris Wolf Priest in Terminator Armour [6 PL, 107pts]: Storm bolter + Elites + Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [28 PL, 474pts] . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Frost sword . Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer ++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [9 PL, 142pts] ++ + HQ + Wolf Priest [6 PL, 97pts]: Bolt pistol, Jump Packs + Fast Attack + Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf ++ Total: [116 PL, 2000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 the more I think about the relic, Frost fury, the more I think I might want to have it attached to someone. as ridiculous as this sounds, either a dreadnaught or a thunderwolf lord using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Ven dread! With frostfury! Me like it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Redbeard Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Ven dread! With frostfury! Me like it :)only characters can take relics, so sadly it can't be a Ven Dread. But a Chaplain Dread could. Should be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Ven dread! With frostfury! Me like it only characters can take relics, so sadly it can't be a Ven Dread. But a Chaplain Dread could. Should be fun we have access to the chaplain dread from CA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Redbeard Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Ven dread! With frostfury! Me like it only characters can take relics, so sadly it can't be a Ven Dread. But a Chaplain Dread could. Should be fun we have access to the chaplain dread from CA? We ahve access to all FW models form Imperial armout per the FAQ they released. When I end up buying a Leviathan (or two) form FW I want to add a SW contemptor to make him my Wolf Priest Dread. Looks like fun and I like the model. Suggestion: drop the Fenwolves and the storm bolters from the Razorbacks and instead add 3 cyber wolves in a Outrider detachment. Gives you more objective grabbers + smite blockers and 1 more cp I kept the bolters, made some changes. I swapped out the WGBL with a WL in termie armor to still drop. I had to drop one whole termie and switch all their weapons to combi plasma instead of melta. With the WL there to provider rerolls to 1 it shouldn't make a difference. With the outrider detachment, I just use the WP with a jetpack on the table with Bjorn. This list now has 11 CP in it. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [59 PL, 1021pts] ++ + HQ + Bjorn the Fell-handed [12 PL, 219pts]: Assault cannon, Heavy flamer Njal Stormcaller in Runic Terminator Armour [8 PL, 153pts]: 1. Living Lightning, 2. Tempest's Wrath, 3. Murderous Hurricane + Troops + Grey Hunters [8 PL, 99pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield Grey Hunters [8 PL, 99pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield Grey Hunters [8 PL, 99pts]: 4x Chainsword . Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword . 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol . Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield + Dedicated Transport + Razorback [5 PL, 120pts]: Twin lascannon Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon ++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [48 PL, 837pts] ++ + HQ + Arjac Rockfist [7 PL, 145pts] Wolf Lord in Terminator Armor [7 PL, 111pts]: Power sword, Storm bolter, Warlord . The Wulfen Stone: Trophy of Fenris Wolf Priest in Terminator Armour [6 PL, 107pts]: Storm bolter + Elites + Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [28 PL, 474pts] . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Frost sword . Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Combi-plasma, Thunder hammer ++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [9 PL, 142pts] ++ + HQ + Wolf Priest [6 PL, 97pts]: Bolt pistol, Jump Packs + Fast Attack + Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf ++ Total: [116 PL, 2000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe I really enjoy the idea of the list. TOo bad the changes to the GH PL mean that hte list still does not fulfill the Beta rules (56 out of 110 PL on DS). For something similar you may change the Wolf Lord in TDA for a WL on JP to still DS and lsoe that single PL needed to make it legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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