AT Chat, Lists, and Conversions For All Stompy Robot Lovers

[RipOffProductions]

Yeah, they look dumb. Nothing like plopping a cathedral on top of a giant robot in a time when religion is outlawed.

oh, I though you were talking about how the old imperator titans look silly/poorly proportioned and needed an update, not knowing there there were more modern iterations/artwork already out there, rather then hating on the core concept of this Titan class as a whole.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sAQ5U_FlRts/UryCiSkYs8I/AAAAAAAADUs/6W0210tuJhY/s1600/Titan_imperator_profile.png

they are temples dedicated to the Machine God of the Cult Mechanicus, who are exempt from that ban anyway... and the artists/future modelers probably don't want to have to make two different versions for use between 30K and 40K, and I'm pretty sure the fist image of the parade is set in the 40K era anyway, and that one looks way more cathedral-y then the two in the Titandeath battle.

 

and I feel confident that if/when the official model comes that the top carapace will be mostly a flat slab that you'd stack the modular plastic terrain onto, so if you want a boring office building on your God-Machine feel free to put one of those up there.

[DuskRaider]

Both old and new, they look ridiculous. That's saying a lot considering this is the Warhammer 40,000 universe. I think a lot of the Imperator love is mainly just a retro nostalgia thing and nothing more. If this thing came out tomorrow people would lambast the hell out of it.

[1ncarnadine]

I'm not an attendee and I'm going off second-hand reporting, but were they very specific about mentioning the Imperator as being the size/height of a Reaver? I'm just wondering if they were referring to development cost or kit complexity in some way, rather than stature. OTOH, maybe they've decided that the cover artwork featuring Imperators still doesn't represent a realistic scale? They would require people being able to move up and down the legs and around the cathedral, and supposedly have a larger kind of cockpit crew deck. Even he Warlord head interior still looks kind of cramped if we go by the 28mm kit.
 

Yeah, they look dumb. Nothing like plopping a cathedral on top of a giant robot in a time when religion is outlawed.

 

But the machine cult is not outlawed at this time, because their cooperation in the Great Crusade is too important. Traitor Imperators or Imperators in Legios like Defensor would be likely to fix that quickly enough during the Heresy, too. I'm not saying there wouldn't be Imperators without cathedrals, but there would probably be some with them even before the Heresy.

 

I'm with you on a heavy facelift, though. Personally, I would rather see a slew of new Titan classes and variants before Imperators, anyway. I'm not sure they'll add much to the game itself, either, seeing as they're likely to be huge, slow, and expensive. It's already often good to have Warlord LoS-blocking terrain, but is that realistic with Imperators?

[DuskRaider]

They throw Imperators in the game they'll not only be prohibitively expensive but also either completely game breaking or nerfed to the extent that it's a waste of money and points. That and imagine fitting something the size of a Warhound with almost a foot of spirals and cathedrals on top of it on a 4' x 4' board. It would require changing the rules of the game just to squeeze it in.

 

Not to mention we're talking about a Titan walking around with a giant fragile Target on its back. And it would be ridiculously unbalanced. And its just stupid. Sorry guys.

[1ncarnadine]

Yeah, definitely a challenge to play on their game boards too. Some of those streets are kind of tight already for Warlords. Gaming mats could make it work, and you can make large foam terrain pretty readily, but that's still more time and money invested when you already have a huge kit to build and paint that also probably cost $1000 or more. 

 

Anyway, here's some neat info via Garro on FB:

 

 

Future plastic releases plan include new titan chassis. they’ve got a loose plan for another six at least, one slightly bigger, and one slightly smaller than each of the three existing Titans. these will then have resin weapon kits, and maybe plastic depending on sales. one in particular is normally used as the example, which is that of a Scout titan class smaller than a warhound, which Andy was thinking about, Guy Haley then separately invented the same thing and called it a Rapier class scout titan, so I’d bet that will be one of the first to be made. We’ll also see more Knights with the other two Cerastus types planned for their own plastic kits to mirror the knight-lancer. they’ve also suggested they might look at making entirely new knight variants and chassis.

 

If this is true, and there's a class -1/+1 of each existing Titan, then we should have something like this to look forward to:

 

WH -1 (Rapier)

Warhound

WH +1 (???)

Reaver -1 (Nightgaunt/Carnivore? both are mentioned as mid-range classes in the Atarus black book entry)
Reaver
Reaver +1 (Nightgaunt/Carnivore? both are mentioned as mid-range classes in the Atarus black book entry)

Warlord -1 (Warbringer?)

Warlord

Warlord +1 (???)

Warlord +10 (Imperator)

[Marshal Loss]

I'd be happy if they took some liberty with the Imperator size & design to make it more affordable and manageable in a game of Adeptus Titanicus. Mars-Beta pattern or something a little smaller - just how there are different Stormbird patterns, some small some huge. Making it the size of a Reaver is just too large and too expensive for a specialist game, whatever your opinion on the goofy old aesthetic. But I do agree with LetsYouMeat that I'd much prefer to see other middling Titan sizes regardless. An Imperator would invariably be as powerful as a full maniple on its own.

[splayedpaintbrush]

I found an article on painting Legio Solaria green mottled armour https://splayedpaintbrush.com/2018/12/27/legio-solaria-green-mottled-armour/

Always interesting to see different approaches

 

What do you think, any good?

 

Looking at Guy Haley's armour, I'm not so sure the random mottling will look as nice. Maybe the patterning needs to be a little more ordered, and I need to find a more appropriate mid/light green.

 

I'd not realised the B&C had such a good AT board. There's lots of good stuff on here.

 

The Imperator does look dated, although recent artwork does a good job of making it look less so, in my opinion. I like the Ignatum Imperator walking along side a Warlord (is that a book cover?).

[Captain Semper]

I'd be happy if they took some liberty with the Imperator size & design to make it more affordable and manageable in a game of Adeptus Titanicus. Mars-Beta pattern or something a little smaller - just how there are different Stormbird patterns, some small some huge. Making it the size of a Reaver is just too large and too expensive for a specialist game, whatever your opinion on the goofy old aesthetic. But I do agree with LetsYouMeat that I'd much prefer to see other middling Titan sizes regardless. An Imperator would invariably be as powerful as a full maniple on its own.

 

 

My feel from all the feedback so far is that they (FW) view the Imperator as more of a display piece... I bet if/when they get around doing one they will not hold back for tabletop useability considerations. The have made a 40k-sized Warlord after all... Although several patterns sounds like a fantastic idea, I really doubt they’ll go down that way. Making one pattern would probably be too much already! :lol:

 

But one can always hope - especially if it is a reasonable wish. :)

 

 

I found an article on painting Legio Solaria green mottled armour https://splayedpaintbrush.com/2018/12/27/legio-solaria-green-mottled-armour/

Always interesting to see different approaches

 

 

What do you think, any good?

Looking at Guy Haley's armour, I'm not so sure the random mottling will look as nice. Maybe the patterning needs to be a little more ordered, and I need to find a more appropriate mid/light green.

I'd not realised the B&C had such a good AT board. There's lots of good stuff on here.

The Imperator does look dated, although recent artwork does a good job of making it look less so, in my opinion. I like the Ignatum Imperator walking along side a Warlord (is that a book cover?).

Yeah, we have a very active and vibrant sub-community here. There was great enthusiasm for this game from the very beginning!

 

Also you may want to check out this: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353097-titans-of-the-heresy/

[DuskRaider]

I always pictured Solaria as a desaturated or sage green instead of the brilliant emerald with mottling but I guess I was wrong. I do like the last picture where the carapace is predominantly white in the center and then kind of pixelates to emerald toward the outer edges.

 

And now I've just realised I've seen your blog before. It's your bad ass bases! I love how bonkers you are with the Warhound legs too, you should talk to The Damned Artificer he's a nutjob for detail too.

[Cpt. Bannockburn]

 

If this is true, and there's a class -1/+1 of each existing Titan, then we should have something like this to look forward to:

 

WH -1 (Rapier)

Warhound

WH +1 (???)

Reaver -1 (Nightgaunt/Carnivore? both are mentioned as mid-range classes in the Atarus black book entry)

Reaver

Reaver +1 (Nightgaunt/Carnivore? both are mentioned as mid-range classes in the Atarus black book entry)

Warlord -1 (Warbringer?)

Warlord

Warlord +1 (???)

Warlord +10 (Imperator)

 

Nightgaunts are canonically Warlord variants, faster than the base pattern and usually armed with 2 CC weapons or short range firepower, and depicted as lacking the shoulder weapon racks in the old game.

I guess you could either call the Warbringer a "Reaver +1" or a "Warlord -1", depending on definitions and inclination. It does have the Reaver arm weapons and a single Warlord class arm weapon on its carapace.

 

I would be severely surprised if the Warbringer wouldn't be the first one converted to AT scale, since that model already exists in CAD and should be easier to produce than doing one from scratch.

 

For my part, I'm looking forward to the missing weapon options, and I will buy at least 2 of each once they're available. I guess that also means a 3rd Warlord and a 5th Reaver :D

I will only buy knights if they're available with weapon options, but the new terrain looks really good.

[Captain Semper]

Maybe the -1 of the bigger class is the +1 of the smaller...

 

In that respect the Warbringer would be between Warlord and Reaver and that’ll be that... the Rapier will be the Warhound -1 and the smaller in the range and all we’re missing is one class between Warhound and Reaver...

 

I doubt they’ll go above Warlord unless the time has come for the Imperator. And that would be mostly treated as a modeling centerpiece so my bet is full resin and a ton of money... And not that useable either.

[Mendi Warrior]

 

I found an article on painting Legio Solaria green mottled armour https://splayedpaintbrush.com/2018/12/27/legio-solaria-green-mottled-armour/

Always interesting to see different approaches

 

What do you think, any good?

 

Looking at Guy Haley's armour, I'm not so sure the random mottling will look as nice. Maybe the patterning needs to be a little more ordered, and I need to find a more appropriate mid/light green.

 

I'd not realised the B&C had such a good AT board. There's lots of good stuff on here.

 

The Imperator does look dated, although recent artwork does a good job of making it look less so, in my opinion. I like the Ignatum Imperator walking along side a Warlord (is that a book cover?).

 

 

I like it. I also like that you break the different steps, it is an excellent way to learn and also helps avoid some mistakes. The AT Titans are the first thing I am painting further than a simple sprayed basecoat since a very long time, plenty to learn there (I have some time to do it now).

I haven't seen a step-by-step for Guy Haley's armour, that would be interesting.

Your blog is in my favourites, good cool stuff there!

[Mendi Warrior]

Maybe the -1 of the bigger class is the +1 of the smaller...

 

In that respect the Warbringer would be between Warlord and Reaver and that’ll be that... the Rapier will be the Warhound -1 and the smaller in the range and all we’re missing is one class between Warhound and Reaver...

 

I doubt they’ll go above Warlord unless the time has come for the Imperator. And that would be mostly treated as a modeling centerpiece so my bet is full resin and a ton of money... And not that useable either.

 

I have the same take on the various classes.

 

With regards to the Imperator, during the latest Twitch stream, I wrote down that if it were to be made, its size would roughly be twice that of the AT warlord (so ~25cm tall), and it would be "premium luxury resin" stuff / piece. Now, I have no idea as to how much a plastic injection mould would cost for such a beast (design, tooling), nor how much production variable costs would be. It eventually boils down to demand. I, for sure, would be extremely tempted to acquire at least one should it come in plastic at around £125.

 

But that is my personal view of course. I am not a huge fan of resin (maybe simply because I have no real experience working with resin yet).

 

Of course, as already noted, playability of such a beast would be quite challenging I believe.

[Captain Semper]

Agreed.

 

I think the focus would be towards the small end of the range with the Knights...

 

I mean assuming they produce three more Titans to a total of six classes (seven with the Imperator) with all the load-out combos, the Legio-specific rules that can keep coming indefinitely, the various maniple configurations including the Legio-specific ones and all the classes of Knights again with the various load-outs, the House-specific rules and the all-Knight army option, the game would be complex enough to be challenging and fresh for years.

 

And that’s not adding interacting scenery... :lol:

[Brother Dallo]

The real question is will Krytos Titans get benefits when specifically aiming at the cathedral on top of an Imperator? :p

 

Dallo

[Zhiv]

How you think they'll do demon titans?  I am fairly sure we get them at some point - the have been hinted, they happened at Titandeath.   The best candidate for that is banelord for being the poster boy (poster demon?) for chaos titans.  However, while I am pretty sure they'll make it look awesome, how about the rules?  If they make them 'better' warlords, why take regular warlords?  Other than points. But then all demon titan maniples become smaller than the non-demon maniples.  Or will they weave in disadvantages somehow?

[Mendi Warrior]

I believe one of the most straightforward ways would be to include disadvantages with regards to control and commands.

 

For the Banelord, one that immediately came to my mind is that you could include something similar to the behaviour of Khârn the Betrayer. When issuing a command and missing, then, on a roll of X, the closest unit takes Y strength Z hits, whether foe or friend.

 

Or if you have various Chaos Gods allegiances on the table, the animosity between them plays a role to decide if you hit the foe or your "preferred" chaos allies.

 

There were plenty of such rules in Epic, they would provide some nice inspiration.

[Sandlemad]

I seem to recall something either from Andy Hoare or James Hewlitt about the current rules for machine spirits awakening providing a potential template for how they could work through daemon titans in the rules, though that might be best for 'mid-chaotic' titans rather than full blow possessed warlords. No one wants a whole force that could just wind up out of your control. Dunno if I could see daemon titans integrating into a maniple though... Maybe that's where you get the difference, they're on a whole separate commands and reactor structure.

 

SG would also be missing a trick if the Ordo Sinister didn't come out around the same time as the full blown chaos stuff. Strange superunits for loyalists, strange superunits for traitors.

 

RE: looks, a visual update/refresh/facelift to the Banelord concept is one of my most anticipated things in AT. The old banelord art rules in an 80s sort of way but it never really translated to the models that well. These guys should be kaiju of the most terrifying sort.

[Mandragola]

From the Titandeath BL book they describe how it's like the machine spirit has been replaced by the daemon. So I imagine that a new table to roll on would be one obvious thing to do.

 

I think it's potentially kind of fine if a Banelord is better than a Warlord. They can just charge more points for it. But a more likely outcome is that it's better in close combat and worse at range, so it could be worth more or less. 

 

I could also see a strong case for giving daemonic titans optional upgrades other than weapons. So for example you might have to choose what daemon is bound to the titan, with a range of abilities depending on the god and type of daemon.

 

As for how they'd make the model, that seems pretty straightforward. It's just a new weapon sprue. Give a warlord a new head and weapons and there you go. If you wanted you could also do a new armour panel sprue, but that might not be needed - and anyway the 2nd warlord sprue already had room for some alternate panels.

 

Or of course they could do it all in resin. That gives them more freedom in terms of which bits they replace, because they wouldn't have to just swap out a sprue, but it would raise the cost. I could see them doing something like a set of extra chaos-y warhound/reaver armour plates, for a purely cosmetic upgrade.

[Strazhakov]

Chaos/Daemon Titans would need new designed command terminals at least. Seeing as the Banelord has at least 4+ weapons, not counting the Melta in the Fist and the gun in the mouth.

 

What I really want is Slaanesh Subjugators in AT and 40k!

[Mendi Warrior]

WHC article on merging void shields

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/05/5th-feb-wisdom-of-the-grand-master-part-4-merging-void-shieldsgw-homepage-post-2fw-homepage-post-3/

[Zhiv]

Chaos/Daemon Titans would need new designed command terminals at least. Seeing as the Banelord has at least 4+ weapons, not counting the Melta in the Fist and the gun in the mouth.

 

What I really want is Slaanesh Subjugators in AT and 40k!

 

 

Warlord fist has vulcan mega bolter but that's missing from the card.  Similarly the melta could be included on the fist stats.   The mouth gun could count as defensive weapon - better defensive weapons.  <.< But I am going to give you the tail. 

[Marshal Loss]

Saw this on Facebook. Too funny not to share here:

 

[RipOffProductions]

Daemon Titans using an alternate, much harsher, version of the Machine Spirit machanic in exchange for the more powerful weapon options and/or stats seems like a fair trade to me.

 

and maybe we'll get a glimpse of them in the book after next? they did say that Psi-Titans of the Legio Sinister might be in that one, so giving Traitors their Daemons/other Chaos only stuff to counter-balance that Loyalist exclusive feature would be nice, and give players of Traitor Legions a reason to get that book.

 

Wasn't there a Daemon possessed Titan on Prospero as well? that would be enough reason to include them in a book focusing on Legio Sinister.

[DuskRaider]

The Titan on Prospero wasn't possessed by a daemon, one of the Sorcerers took control of it via Psyker abilities (but I do think lost control). It was pretty much a statue before that.

 

I don't think we'll see Daemon Titans until we're close to or on Terra itself.