Captain Idaho Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 That's your opinion and Robbienw has his. Please let it go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5206985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 They don't match calgars pose is what I'm saying. You'd think they would be a bit more dynamic like Calgar. They look like they are stood in his office or on a parade ground. He looks like he is in the midst of a full scale close action battle. They look good in the pose they are in, they just don't match up with their bosses pose! Look at how the honour guard and calgar are posed on the cover of the Vigilus defiant book to see what I am getting at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5206989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I dont like the vent things plus hes lost detail from the termi mini. You can turn everyone into a primaris now? So long old range Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 He's the strongest Astartes character on the tabletop, probably? BA smash captains are still far better in melee. Does anyone else think the new Honours Guard models are the same model only mirror reversed? Or are my eyes now too old to tell? Not really. One guy holds shield on right, other on left, but it's just due to looking for threats in their respective direction. If you look at them, there is literally nothing but the rope that could be 'mirrored' and even then you can argue it's due to reversed stance. Literally every other asymmetrical detail on them is different from what I see, down to cloak clasps on pads. They even have different boots... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Thank you for posting that picture. Looking at it I can see very clearly that they are completely mirrored models. Their boots are mirror so one model's left one is the same as the others right one. The clasps are the same only mirrored. If you're going to follow me around and harass me by disputing everything I say, then I suggest you don't find reasons that are so obviously wrong because it doesn't only look obvious but it also looks a little foolish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 They are distinctive enough, not just a reverse copy. The pose is something I like very much as it fits their role as GUARDS. As for the BA smash captains, they are certainly very point efficient. I fear for them in CA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 What? I don't follow anyone, I was just looking for reactions on new Calgar model. Please, if anything looks foolish, it's petty accusations with no basis in reality. And completely mirrored? What? I can count at least 5 differences on left/right boot alone. Ditto with clasps, one lies flat on the pad, the other is clearly at an angle. Again, besides rope, there is not a single detail on them that could be called mirrored, unless we argue every single marine wearing the same armour mark with similar pose is "mirrored" too... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Weird how the same models have the same wargear, especially honour guard which tend to also be symbolic as well as the shield. Just look at the frigging swords! Not in the same position, therefore not mirrored. All mk6 helmets are the same.... All Marines mirrored confirmed?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Hopefully the swords will at least be posable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 they aren't mirrored. They have mirrored overall poses (which makes sense as guards, and is something I have done with my own bodyguard models in the past too).some differences: pteruges are different, they both have the "U" at the bottom, but they hang differently, one of them has visible cloth behind his (the one on the right of the picture). Knee details: one has a large crux terminatus on the right leg, the others left leg (if it was mirrored) would have it, and does not, i suspect its on the right leg still. sword arms are at different angles the cloak sits differently on the shoulders and around the legs on the two (if i really need to, i can ring the points but its pretty obvious near the back leg on each of them how it hangs differently. the one on the right actually appears to be leaning slightly more forward than the other. the one on the right has a different leg pose (rear foot isnt flat on the ground. Ibris is absolutely right, the only truly mirrored detail is the rope on the chest, and thats probably supposed to represent the way they're moving i guess. What they do have, is a uniform, which is fairly nice. Note, this isn't a sniping post, purely a post pointing out that the view they're completely mirrored is flawed and totally innacurate, at most they can be described as having loosely opposed poses. However. I agree with Robbienw (seems to be a common occurrence lately) that their poses don't quite fit Calgars, if Calgar had had the arms in somewhat more resting poses it may work better, but getting a dynamic action pose version of these guards would have been equally epic! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Theres only so many ways to do shield wall models with the shields front, if it was a squad of 5 I'd be upset, but I appreciate the cinematic style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 If you rotate Calgar to face forward, with the two Guard fanning out it would look great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 However. I agree with Robbienw (seems to be a common occurrence lately) that their poses don't quite fit Calgars, if Calgar had had the arms in somewhat more resting poses it may work better, but getting a dynamic action pose version of these guards would have been equally epic! I didn't consider it until it was brought up here. Funnily enough the poses for the metal Honour Guard (I have 5!) are better suited for this Calgar in pose context and the new Honour Guard are better suited to the Terminator Calgar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I think switching the shields to Suzerain ones and maybe other swords would give them more of a different look. Not that I am not happy with them I just want the shields to look nicer :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Luckily Forge World makes two variant Ultramarine shields ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 also, i love the helmets, i did a squad of sanguinary guard with the suzerian helmets because i love that style so much, and these are nicer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Especially for the Heresy era and the 'civilized' post-heresy chapters I'm a firm believer in using the eagle helmets for honor guard. It feels like a nice bit of continuity across chapters and legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Do we know how big helmets are for the new models? Would they fit classic Marines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightSilver Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 My only worry with some of the newer CAD miniatures is that the models are tricky to build in sub-assemblies to make painting easier.Janus Draik from Blackstone Fortress is a prime example of this - his sword cuts across his body, turning what should really be an open pose into a closed pose meaning that getting to a lot of his details is tricky.I hope this isn't the case for Calgar and Co. - I hope the swords and shield are able to be left of for painting so that i can to the backs of cloaks etc.Aside from that I absolutely love the models and hope that the Honour Guard are released as a full kit with extra bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Helmets should be the same size as classic ones. The regular mk10 helmets are, and the bare primaris heads are the same size as classic, so these should be based on that. I predict they will be a popular and hard to get bit. I want some for classic honour guard chaps! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Helmets should be the same size as classic ones. The regular mk10 helmets are, and the bare primaris heads are the same size as classic, so these should be based on that. I predict they will be a popular and hard to get bit. I want some for classic honour guard chaps! bare heads are actually a little larger than a lot of the more recent classic marine kits (deathwatch is a good example). Primaris also seem to have slightly smaller neck area than older kits from what I've seen. But yeah, generally the primaris heads should make great conversion fodder for classic marines! I hope this isn't the case for Calgar and Co. - I hope the swords and shield are able to be left of for painting so that i can to the backs of cloaks etc. Fairly sure the shield is part of the cloak, but you may well find the arm with the shield and part of the cloak attached could be left off till post painting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Do we know how big helmets are for the new models? Would they fit classic Marines? Mark X Tacticus and Phobos armour helmets fits no problem on regular Astartes: For example, a Reiver head on a Deathwatch Marine and Artemis' body: Haven't tried sticking a Gravis helmet on a regular marine yet. Might try that next Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I actually really like the honor guard models individually, but I think their poses are too similar to each other when they are together. I wish their poses were a bit more varied for a such a special unit, they aren't regular bolter bros after all! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Conversion ideas about with my MK4s and the helms for the Honour Guard. A popular internet auction site might be getting hit soon lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ioldanach Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 also, i love the helmets, i did a squad of sanguinary guard with the suzerian helmets because i love that style so much, and these are nicer.To each his own - I've never liked those helmets. I suppose they remind me too much of Hawkman (who I don't dislike in the least, but I think the result is too cartoonish for my tastes). I'd prefer to see either embellished MK 10 helmets or death mask type helmets (a la the Sanguinary Guard, but Ultramarinified). Some bare head options would also be really cool. I'll be converting mine. Does anyone else think the new Honours Guard models are the same model only mirror reversed? Or are my eyes now too old to tell? Not really. One guy holds shield on right, other on left, but it's just due to looking for threats in their respective direction. If you look at them, there is literally nothing but the rope that could be 'mirrored' and even then you can argue it's due to reversed stance. Literally every other asymmetrical detail on them is different from what I see, down to cloak clasps on pads. They even have different boots... The poses are "mirrored" enough in terms of the basic models. True, they aren't mirror images of each other because of placement of chapter badges and the other small details that are different in order to give each a small bit of distinction and personality, so I guess technically they're not "mirrored" any more than the chess pieces aren't mirrored when the board is first set up (since, y'know, one side is black and the other is white). With those capes, I don't think there's going to be much leeway to adjust the angles of the arms/weapons unless you pull out the hobby knife/saw. I don't think that there's anything necessarily wrong with them being mirrored, though. I just don't like the helmets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351409-primaris-calgar-your-thoughts/page/8/#findComment-5207448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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