Firepower Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 There is no 'out' beyond the reach of the Paddleum, brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 There is no 'out' beyond the reach of the Paddleum, brother. Don't I know it! I'm hoping the detatchment breaths a little life into all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Giving the contents a second look and I think the rumor that Sword Brethren is just new options for Intercessors is full of crap, its a detachment like the Imperial Fist one because if it was a datasheet it would say its a datasheet like it does for Calgar and the Worldclaimer, so guess we'll see some buffs for our elites! Good because I have like 15 Terminators and Vanguard Vets!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Talarian Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Where have you fine gentlemen found this lovely bit of information? This does sound exciting... Found sword brother info, p181 But what about this? Also the Veteran Intercessor strat seems to be +1 attack and leadership. Im excited, love Veterans and dreadnouughts and if the formation revolves around veteran units then Im happy, a new warlord trait and combat strats will be very helpful. Would this result in even stronger SB perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Well yeah, +1 attack and leadership is of course stronger Marines as they stand. It's also rather lackluster and not much of a game changer at all, so let's hope there's more to it than that (and that it doesn't require Primaris). I am however interested in how it may apply to Dreadnoughts. Most likely just those of a Venerable configuration, but then again, the IF formation applies to all Dreadnoughts, which is good news for my Ironclads :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisitor Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 If all is true, Sword Brothers with power swords and 3 attacks is pretty nice, and at least fluff. I’ll fill my repulsor with these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 There's nothing in the preview to suggest anyone other than intercessors in the non-BT formation are getting +1 attack. Sword Brethren is disappointing since it sounds like it will buff elites rather than troops. I want to run Black Tide or Mechanized not Black Deathwing or just have dual chainsword vanguard vets invalidate my crusader blobs. Traditional sword bro , I reckon is a veteran with free gear choice right?We have to wait and see.Fingers crossed for a Castellan and an upgrade sprue next year. 4th-5th ed Sword Brethren didn't have free gear choices, they had bolter or bolt pistol and cww (no mixing so basically just your vanguard or sternguard choice) and then one could take either a heavy weapon, twin claws or a power fist and a second could take a special weapon or a power sword. They could also take combat shields for 5 points but only if they took 10 point terminator honours to make them attacks 2 (they were 1 base) so that was a joke option. I took assault terminators instead every time. Getting regular Vanguard and Sternguard was a straight upgrade in every way since a choice of either counter attack, infiltrate or furious charge didn't matter for much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 maybe sword brethren will be a strat to upgrade crusader squads to veteran statline, perhaps with a caveat of no neophytes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 The rumor about them getting weapons seems to good to be true. If normal Primaris vets wont, It doesn't make sense for Sword Brethren to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastellanDeMolay Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 The rumor about them getting weapons seems to good to be true. If normal Primaris vets wont, It doesn't make sense for Sword Brethren to. It would also require new models, since GW don't write rules for what they don't sell currently. I'd wager it's just +1A for Intercessors, to simulate the effect of having a chainsword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 rumor said CCW (so combat knife) or PW (so power sword) though, and not chainswords (even though chainswords are functionally identical to CCW's) But yeah, I'm not putting much faith on this rumour either. I'll believe it when I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Yeah... Technically there is nothing stopping us from putting our BT upgrade kit bits on them... Even tho it's not explicitly a "primaris" upgrade kit. I mean... I'm gonna do it... But I'm weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 The addition of the IF upgrade sprue has me hopeful when I know I shouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Yeah... Technically there is nothing stopping us from putting our BT upgrade kit bits on them... Even tho it's not explicitly a "primaris" upgrade kit. I mean... I'm gonna do it... But I'm weird. Everything save our chest plates and bolters from the kit are compatible with Primaris. Also putting money down our relic is the Holy Hand Grenade. And our trait is gonna be a Deny the Witch or something to buff squads around character in melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I'm not buying the old kit again. Especially to kit out Primaris. If the rules are good I'll just work on a DiY chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 There's nothing in the preview to suggest anyone other than intercessors in the non-BT formation are getting +1 attack. Sword Brethren is disappointing since it sounds like it will buff elites rather than troops. I want to run Black Tide or Mechanized not Black Deathwing or just have dual chainsword vanguard vets invalidate my crusader blobs. I'm of the opposite opinion. If we are getting a melee buff that isn't army wide (which I doubt any of these are) then I would rather it be on my our elites. I'm not of the opinion that Crusaders need to be uber combat units because that will never be the case. I'd rather have a buff for units with access to the more deadly weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Arthur Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 There's nothing in the preview to suggest anyone other than intercessors in the non-BT formation are getting +1 attack. Sword Brethren is disappointing since it sounds like it will buff elites rather than troops. I want to run Black Tide or Mechanized not Black Deathwing or just have dual chainsword vanguard vets invalidate my crusader blobs. I'm of the opposite opinion. If we are getting a melee buff that isn't army wide (which I doubt any of these are) then I would rather it be on my our elites. I'm not of the opinion that Crusaders need to be uber combat units because that will never be the case. I'd rather have a buff for units with access to the more deadly weapons. I agree. Use blacktide to contest objectives while using buffed elites to take down major threats. Whatever happens I’m excited for this, even if it’s not everything we’ve hoped and dreamed for. If nothing else it’s something new and it’s not like we’re losing anything we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I feel like we all should wait until actual page leaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I feel like we all should wait until actual page leaks. But why do that when we have easy access to wild speculation ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Arthur Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 It’s not in the nature of the Templars to wait. We always attack; be that with bolt and blade or zealous speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 The Crusade is Eternal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On the 7th Atia is making a review of vigilus, we have to see of we get some info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I haven't taken much interest so far in the rumors regarding Vigilus, but assuming the rumored +1A that veteran intercessors can get is true, is there any reason to not simply model those squads with chainswords to represent said bonus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 As I understand it, they're sort of selected on the fly at a game's start using CP, like upgrading Captains to Chapter Masters or taking Relics. If you plan on always deploying the Intercessors as veterans, then go for it. Although I think I'd model any Primaris I made with swords on principle regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On the 7th Atia is making a review of vigilus, we have to see of we get some info. i hope it will be not disappointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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