Your plans

[the emperor is scottish]

 

 

 

I have zero plans to buy the new CSM troops kit and Terminators as of right now they are just a visual update. To me at least the visual update is much greater on the CSM kits but the old troop kits are not bad but just boring. Without new game play options I plan on not wasting my money on kits I own and have painted.

 

I guess we are two different types of players then. I'll be buying them because they look MUCH better than the old models and how well they are on the table is only a secondary consideration. ^^

I wish there was a love button instead of a like because this echos my thoughts exactly.

Yeah it sucks that CSM seems to get pooped on every edition and the taking away of both bolter and pistol/cc option is still a bitter pill to swallow but for me this is all secondary concerns next to the fact we have beautiful models to paint and convert.

 

I live on an island off the west coast of Scotland and there are zero gaming groups on the island to my knowledge which means rules come in a very distant second to other aspects of the hobby.

I know there are others out there where this isn't the case. Competitive play and even just fielding an army that doesn't get tabled every time you field it are massive considerations for a lot of people. All i would say is just wait and see whats round the corner. We may be in for some surprises yet.

[Frostglaive]

Thank you, Shadowspear. You drew me back into the loving embrace of Chaos once more... wait, did I say loving? I meant horrific, nightmarish, eternal hell and a ton of fun. 

 

Anyways.... Bought my own Shadowspear box, and I'm splitting two more boxes with a couple friends this Saturday. So I have 1 full set of Vanguard Marines and soon to be 3 sets of Daemonkin. The Suppressors and Eliminators I'm already trading away for some more AdMech stuff. But the Phobos armored leaders... I'm in the process of cutting up, kitbashing, and greenstuffing them into some glorious Chaotic psychopaths, aka a Lord, Exalted Champion, and Sorceror. The Infiltrators, I'm waiting to get some bits from a friend of mine. Once I do, I'm going to cut up, kitbash, and greenstuff them into Ultramarines-gone-Possessed for Black Legion. All models being painted up as Black Legion.

 

Keeping the Chaos stuff as is. Going to buy one of the new CSM boxes once it comes out so I can round off the rest of the marines into more appropriately geared out squads. Going to make the 3 Autocannons plus 1 from the CSM box into a Havoc squad, the rest into a mix of Chosen and regular Troops. Depends what all I have to work with. 

 

Buying Abaddon once he's released. Purchasing the Greater Possessed from a buddy who doesn't want them from his Shadowspear box. I own a box of Warp Talons (yes, I'm building them as Warp Talons. I know, I'm wrong), planning on getting another box later. I have Haarken and Obsidius Mallex. And I have 50 FW Tech-Thralls that I'm going to break down somewhat, kitbash a bit, and greenstuff into Cultists. 

 

After all that is said and done, then I'll start looking into some other stuff later.

I've been planning a new Chaos army for a few years now. Been dying to build my own Black Legion, and now I finally have the opportunity. So I'm going all out.

[Isengrin]

You know what, I'm gonna turn one of those obliterators into a saturnine pattern terminator daemon prince...

 

Screw restraint, let's build some death machines and storm the gates!

[techsoldaten]

My Black Legion army is fine as-is. I'm buying Abaddon then giving Vigilus II a long read before I decide if anything else is necessary.

 

Master of Possession and the Venomcrawler make Daemonkin more viable. That draws my interest.

 

The other rules we've seen - Haarken, Bringers of Despair, Field Commander - don't entice me. Not when Imperials are getting jump-Devastators and power-armored snipers with multiple wounds.

 

The best part about the new release, so far, is the CSM kit. The worst part of the new release - unless Vigilus II changes something - would be having to use regular CSMs in battle. That's not a good feeling.

[Guzzlrr]

I still think it's a tad early to write of a book that hasn't came out yet as I said I'll wait to give it a bash before I get too critical. Some of the new stuff already has me thinking up some wierd combos which I enjoy doing.

 

Models are sweet. I enjoy the hobby side as much as the winning part and I do fairly well despite my complaints I ran this week with 35 Marines & Terminators in a battle against custodes & did rather well won by two points. So I'll wait before I start raging too hard. Not seeing everything on that book yet I'm sure theres more they're not discussing.

[GreaterChickenofTzeentch]

Quite a lot of plans for me. Waiting until Vigilus Ablaze so I can see how the rules go, and then I'll commit to improving my armies in the following order unless the rules shake it up (i.e. give me something I just HAVE to do):

 

1. Iron Warriors

2. Thousand Sons (using any interesting new sorcerer bits, etc.)

3. Khorne Daemons and World Eaters simultaneously because I also want to use some of the new stuff with my son's army in AOS.

4. Black Lions/Fallen

5. Night Lords

6. Renegade Knights/Dark Mech

7. Warp Ghosts/Scourged/other Renegade CSM

8. Traitor Guard/R & H

 

My IW Termies are ancient and need replacing and I need to see if I can add Kataphron bits to the old 3.0 metal Oblits to make them take up the same volume of space on a 50mm. I also need 2+ Lords Discordant ASAP.

[BrassClaw]

I have a 3 phase plan for my World Eaters:

 

Phase 1: The Great Rebasing

It was bound to happen. CSM are moving to 32 mm bases. I guess mentally I have been denying this but we can't anymore. So I have to plan out the rebasing of 40 Khorne Berzerkers, 24 Raptors, and 8 Possessed(more on these guys later). That's 72 models that need new bases. It should be interesting to say the least, because some of these models are old school slot bases(I know 8 raptors are) and some are just plain ancient, dating back to when i was 14.

 

Phase 2: Wait and See

So like with all impeding codex releases, waiting on point updates, rules buffs/nerfs and new unit/characters and then seeing where the fallout lands is usually the best strategy when planing out the next phase of your army. I get the feeling that this is going to be a Chaos Daemonkin codex, rather than a Legion book or a Renegades book. So I'm expecting a lot of Daemon units (Possessed, Warp Talons, Daemon Engines ect.) will be getting buffed but going out to but 30 boxes of possessed marines might be a bit rash.  

 

Phase 3: The New Hotness

I'm looking at the new models and the new Obilterators are speaking to me, I thinking about grabbing 6 of them for 2 units of 3. Maybe I will grab a pair Greater Possessed and a Master of Possessions and make a Vanguard detachment with two squads of Possessed thrown in the mix. This of course assumes that my theory of this being a Chaos Daemonkin codex holds up.

 

Should be fun regardless  

[Danny Cyanide]

For rebasing you could always go with an adaptor ring:

 

http://ttadapters.com

[DuskRaider]

Well I went on eBay and picked up the Marines from Shadowspear and Cultists from Blackstone Fortress. I'm thinking of starting with a Kill Team and deciding if I want to go full blown generic Chaos.

 

I'm unsure if I want to paint them Black Legion or True Sons (Sons of Horus). What do you guys think?

[Guzzlrr]

Well I went on eBay and picked up the Marines from Shadowspear and Cultists from Blackstone Fortress. I'm thinking of starting with a Kill Team and deciding if I want to go full blown generic Chaos.

 

I'm unsure if I want to paint them Black Legion or True Sons. What do you guys think?

 

In Shame and Shadow recast, in black & gold reborn !

 

I'm building a Black legion force with the new stuff, but I've already got a small escort for my Magnus so I would recommend both. Magnus is an absolute Joy to use. To the point he's semi retired atm I actually feel bad now when I bring him out lol

[Wayniac]

 

Well I went on eBay and picked up the Marines from Shadowspear and Cultists from Blackstone Fortress. I'm thinking of starting with a Kill Team and deciding if I want to go full blown generic Chaos.

 

I'm unsure if I want to paint them Black Legion or True Sons. What do you guys think?

 

In Shame and Shadow recast, in black & gold reborn !

 

I'm building a Black legion force with the new stuff, but I've already got a small escort for my Magnus so I would recommend both. Magnus is an absolute Joy to use. To the point he's semi retired atm I actually feel bad now when I bring him out lol

 

FROM shame and shadow sir.  Not in, that would be bad

 

I'm ordering some texture to put on bases from a guy I know who does it before I base my Black Legion (also need to assemble a second Venomcrawler and CSM kit, and then the new stuff I'm going to be pre-ordering).  Decided I'm going to go for a ruined city, broken roads and I'll add debris/bricks/pieces of sprue to make it look like they are walking through something that's been conquered.

 

Plan at the moment is to buy a multipart CSM kit and use it to add variety to the squads from Shadowspear since they are identical and I hate that.  After that, I'm not sure, as I need to see what we are getting in Vigilus.  I definitely want some of those new Terminators despite them not being great right now

[BrassClaw]

For rebasing you could always go with an adaptor ring:

 

http://ttadapters.com

Has anyone used these? This might help me a lot

[Furnace Lord]

Speaking of bases, what kinds of colors do you think go well with a Black Legion scheme on the base? I'm not looking for anything complicated, just a color or two that work well visually. I was thinking some kind of grey concrete/gravel to offset the dark scheme?

[Sception]

I find mid tone grey rubble & concrete works well, maybe with some subtle brown & green tones, maybe some low saturation reddish brown rusted metal bits.

[Panzer]

Pretty much everything goes with black. That's the advantage of having a neutral colour scheme. ^^

[Hollenweger]

 

For rebasing you could always go with an adaptor ring:

 

http://ttadapters.com

Has anyone used these? This might help me a lot

 

 

I've used them before. They require some sanding/filling to hide the join, but they are really really good. 32mm bases are also slightly taller than 25mm bases, and these adapters take this into account by giving the old base a platform to rest on to bring it up to the required height.

 

It's important to note that GW have made 2 different size "25mm" slotta bases over the years. They were made slightly smaller from 2003 onwards. The good news is that the bases have a year printed on the bottom of them, and anything dated 2003 or later will work fine with these adapters.

 

If you have a lot of models with the old 1992-dated bases then the adapters will still work, but they will require extra filling to hide the join.

 

If you like I could dig some adapters and bases out to give you some pictorial examples.

[adreal]

The red corsairs trait gives you a reason to take chaos marines, a small battalion of 15 csm and two warpsmiths gives you 8 cp, that's not that bad. Seeing as daemon engines dont gain from legion traits, if you dont want to run another legions master of possession, you could stick daemon engines in there

[Darnok]

I have a 3 phase plan for my World Eaters:

 

Phase 1: The Great Rebasing

It was bound to happen. CSM are moving to 32 mm bases. I guess mentally I have been denying this but we can't anymore. So I have to plan out the rebasing of 40 Khorne Berzerkers, 24 Raptors, and 8 Possessed(more on these guys later). That's 72 models that need new bases. It should be interesting to say the least, because some of these models are old school slot bases(I know 8 raptors are) and some are just plain ancient, dating back to when i was 14.

 

Phase 2: Wait and See

So like with all impeding codex releases, waiting on point updates, rules buffs/nerfs and new unit/characters and then seeing where the fallout lands is usually the best strategy when planing out the next phase of your army. I get the feeling that this is going to be a Chaos Daemonkin codex, rather than a Legion book or a Renegades book. So I'm expecting a lot of Daemon units (Possessed, Warp Talons, Daemon Engines ect.) will be getting buffed but going out to but 30 boxes of possessed marines might be a bit rash.  

 

Phase 3: The New Hotness

I'm looking at the new models and the new Obilterators are speaking to me, I thinking about grabbing 6 of them for 2 units of 3. Maybe I will grab a pair Greater Possessed and a Master of Possessions and make a Vanguard detachment with two squads of Possessed thrown in the mix. This of course assumes that my theory of this being a Chaos Daemonkin codex holds up.

 

Should be fun regardless  

 

Giving you the mandatory shout-out of "you do not have to rebase anything!", just in case. Seriously: only put all that hard work into it if you really want to update your models for yourself. There is no rule - nowhere - requiring you to rebase anything.

[Gothical]

I have been wanting to do an Iron Warriors army for years (my very first models were the metal Chaos Lord with plasma pistol and power axe and a box of CSMs) but the CSM kit has stopped me in my tracks. This revamp means the veritable book of ideas I have can finally be realised.

 

Since I am exploring the nature of the Iron Warriors' souls with my force's background, (in brief, I could write for days to expand every nuance) they are contemptuous Perturabo and of the warp - therefore are natural allies to the Warmaster - but they see Abbadon as Horus reborn and hate Horus almost as much as they hate the Emperor. Lies, hypocrisy, betrayal, a rot at the heart of the iron within, how does a Legionnaire that despises the Chaos gods and mutations as weakness of the flesh deal with the fact that his environment has caused his armour to grow mouths and scream? How do you reconcile the warp as antithesis of the universe you want to claim whilst being dependent on it to prosecute the Long War? When using Chaos as a weapon, be it warp-stuff or daemons, how do you prevent a fall into worship or soul corruption and becoming what you hate?

 

All this means my warband has an extremely complicated relationship with their own Legion and with their fellow traitors. To have any influence outside of the sphere of your Primarch (especially in realspace whilst they've been on planets in the warp) means petitioning the strong. When the taxman comes and demands his due for giving you power and free reign, when he is as powerful as Abbadon, one has to answer his call.

 

Basically,  Abbaddon is a gorgeous model and I will be collecting him and a suitable retinue of Black Legion (Chosen or Terminators or both, perhaps his 4 Lieutenants as per artwork) as an allied force to my Iron Warriors. Unlikely to be used in actual games given the scale of the project I have in mind for my Iron Warriors, the Black and Gold will nevertheless be in my collection!

[Excessus]

 

For rebasing you could always go with an adaptor ring:

 

http://ttadapters.com

Has anyone used these? This might help me a lot

 

 

They're quite nice.

[Raven1]

Yeah it sucks that CSM seems to get pooped on every edition

Not every edition...there was a mythical time where they dominated and were wonderful...still getting punished for it really.

 

Honestly CSM are bad this edition, but no worse off than any power armor. Some of these new rules will have a good impact. Heck a Lord Discordant and a pair of defilers might do some good. Or a Battalion of Red Corsairs and a knight might just be crazy enough to work.

[Wayniac]

The red corsairs rules has me on the fence again. I didn't think it was possible to go from 100 to almost 0 with one article but here we are. That renegades article felt like a kick in the teeth. Not just because it's giving them better rules than the legions, not just because it just made the chaos meta the "Disloyal 17" for every competitive chaos player, bit because it's still reaffirming that GW *wants* you to mix and match subfactions and have soup lists.

 

Seems like they are doubling down on the idea you are playing the entire group, and disadvantaging yourself if you want to go mono army or, worse, mono subgroup (i.e. only a single chapter/legion)

[Midnight Brotherhood]

The red corsairs rules has me on the fence again. I didn't think it was possible to go from 100 to almost 0 with one article but here we are. That renegades article felt like a kick in the teeth. Not just because it's giving them better rules than the legions, not just because it just made the chaos meta the "Disloyal 17" for every competitive chaos player, bit because it's still reaffirming that GW *wants* you to mix and match subfactions and have soup lists.

 

Seems like they are doubling down on the idea you are playing the entire group, and disadvantaging yourself if you want to go mono army or, worse, mono subgroup (i.e. only a single chapter/legion)

 

I know how you feel, I've been stewing over it since I saw the Night Lords stuff yesterday and I don't think it's all as doom and gloom as I initially thought. The Vigilus stuff for Night Lords is disappointing but I just have to keep reminding myself that our relic, strategem and warlord trait are actually still good and at least I've got access to VotLW unlike Red Corsairs. The Crimson Slaughter army trait is only okay, you've got to jump through 2 hoops there to gain 1 CP so honestly it's not all that powerful or reliable, it's almost as gimmicky as the NL leadership debuff. As much as the leadership debuff gets booed down it does actually surprise me how often it comes into play and does work for me when using 2 squads of plasma raptors and my relic claws lord. They put out so much damage and then the Lord has a charge reroll from his warlord trait that I can usually guarantee getting him and a unit of raptors into combat to finish off with a CP charge reroll.

 

Red Corsairs get a nice CP bump but only if you tie up a few hundred points of your army into CSM which means you're not taking cultists or chosen probably. And we're not sure if the cultist nerf for them not getting legion traits is just for black legion or for all CSM yet so cultists could still be viable. The rest of the renegades warlord traits and strategems that have been previewed seem just as situational as some of our legion's abilities so honestly I'm not too jealous, they're not game changing as far as I can see.

 

We will have to see what the other renegades and legions get when the full book is revealed and previewed on youtube and what other detachments become available. It might be that other detachments become available that suit out legions better than what GW suggested, we don't have to follow what they said. They just chose a fluffy suggestion.

 

[Wayniac]

Thinking about it more I think I'm going to stick with my plan and do Black Legion.  Their trait is already pretty good, they may get more stuff in Vigilus, and Abaddon is amazing.  The loss of some CP for not doing Red Corsairs will suck (and I can't bring myself to field counts-as Red Corsairs) but I think with the new stuff coming it could still be solid even without 100% min-maxing.

[Sception]

Abadon's amazing, but is going to lose some points efficiency. I personally find the black legion trait to be rubbish, but the stratagem's pretty good, and we're getting at least one decent looking new relic. Plus there's whatever "warmaster's legion" is. Maybe troop chosen again? Who knows.

 

Mostly I'm sticking with the black legion for fluff and aesthetics.