the emperor is scottish Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 The rules don't really bother me as I'm not much of a player but I think it's a slight kick in the teeth that GW are encouraging players to do mixed lists instead of giving players reasons to collect a pure force of something. Cp hoarding .20 I'm not a huge fan of the dark apostle model which saddens me. The first mini in this release I'm not sold on. Seeing the terminators in alternative colours gladdens my blackened heart though lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40kChrista Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I'm excited to see what the rest of the Dark Apostle's prayers are going to be, especially the god-specific ones. I also like the new model for him. The old one, while having character, was an automatic pass simply from the fact it was in Finecast. Same for the Warpsmith. Love that model, but will never get one becasue of the material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Do we know for sure that the Black Legion Rules a carry over from before? I could easily pull out my Red Corsairs which I played mostly in 8th. Ironically I was using Huron (but his Hamadraya power was always confusing to me). I eventually gravitated towards a list which had Maulers, bikes and yes.... even Possessed. I thought I would stick with that and even planned to order Gal Vorbak, but even with the Advance/assault rule I was getting beat up pretty bad against the meta of Astra, Tau, DE. I found it became extremely frustrating, and not fun to grind against these super shooty armies, hoping for one special date on the dance floor with some fish people. Anyway with this release I had hoped to do Black Legion. I mean who isn’t salivating over his sculpt? But I have to really see what’s going on. I confess I’m a little surprised with how much has -not- changed considering the efforts on the models, Codex and Vigilus. That said I could literally field my 8th Edition Red Corsairs list above and just exchange Warp Talons, Maulerfiends, and Cultists with CSM, Venom Crawlers, MoPs and Greater Possessed. Instantly my 8th Edition chaos would improve. However I still dream of fielding an Abaddon lead force that people will actually fear. But now I’m thinking it may not happen. I think Calgar has been a better point value so far. (I play both). The new Abaddon has me fearful of an up sell on points This is a super long shot but a small part of actually believes a change of some consequence might be in store for basic marine models, and Terminators. I realize there is a less than 5% chance of this, but I’m thinking these new models gotta sell and even GW has cited marines as needing help, the FLG have hinted help was coming, and the FAQ is in a few weeks. Wow I realize as I write this I’m probably in for a lot disappointment. I just really want to see my vision of Abaddon and BoD wreak hell across the tabletop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I really love the purge rules leaked yesterday. Very thematic. Tie down someone's expensive unit with a blob of cultists and unleash hell with your havocs lol Or chosen or similar unit with flamers. You can shoot into the enemy unit and don't have to worry about rolling ones. While only having their buffs go off on a 3+ is a huge change, I think they could still be pretty good depending on what the other 10 prayers do. They still have potential to be an interesting unit on the table.I feel like it's a step towards the SoB acts of faith. Honestly I'm fine with it if they make these changes across factions. Which I'm not going to hold my breath, this needs to happen with Ynnari to be honest. It trounces the competition because it gets multiple phases for free each turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 mithrilforge, I've seen enough of gws practices to make me grim and despondent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarion Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Little bit nervous about these Dark Apostle rules. I don't like the idea of rolling to see if my guys can reroll their missed attacks or not, and I really hope that's a Word Bearer only "feature". I don't want to have to use Khârn. I'm demotivated regarding painting, and I'm feeling pretty nervous about all this. A dark apostle is a cornerstone of my World Eaters. I do not need some RanDumb crap thrown on top of my guys, it defeats the purpose for taking a dark apostle. Really, really don't want to have to take "Whoops, looks like you're getting that "fun" Ork experience of killing your own guys!" Khârn. Excited for Fallen...but expecting crap because it's GW and Chaos. Just wanting World Eaters to come out so I can see how screwed I am. Dude... your cup really is half empty all the time...most of your posts are super negative (like eeyore) do you enjoy the game? or are you just a crusty veteran of the long war i dont ask it being sarcastic...just asking... Mithril Dude my army is the same. Now my reliable melee reroll is a random die roll that I have to spend cp to not even gurantee. It's fluffy and thematic but obnoxious as all hell that his reroll aura is tied to the terrible prayer system from sigmar. And I'm not world eaters so I can't run Khârn for rerolls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Well Dude's all i can do is wish you both happiness for whatever the future holds... make of it what you choose... at least chaos is getting attention and new super models...you gotta be less jaded about that hopefully Mithril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarion Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Well Dude's all i can do is wish you both happiness for whatever the future holds... make of it what you choose... at least chaos is getting attention and new super models...you gotta be less jaded about that hopefully Mithril Love the new models and have been spending accordingly, however just because I have a negative attitude towards one model/rule doesn't mean I'm not excited about the renegade changes. Let's not assume or project tho alright fam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Little bit nervous about these Dark Apostle rules. I don't like the idea of rolling to see if my guys can reroll their missed attacks or not, and I really hope that's a Word Bearer only "feature". I don't want to have to use Khârn. I'm demotivated regarding painting, and I'm feeling pretty nervous about all this. A dark apostle is a cornerstone of my World Eaters. I do not need some RanDumb crap thrown on top of my guys, it defeats the purpose for taking a dark apostle. Really, really don't want to have to take "Whoops, looks like you're getting that "fun" Ork experience of killing your own guys!" Khârn. Excited for Fallen...but expecting crap because it's GW and Chaos. Just wanting World Eaters to come out so I can see how screwed I am. Dude... your cup really is half empty all the time...most of your posts are super negative (like eeyore) do you enjoy the game? or are you just a crusty veteran of the long war i dont ask it being sarcastic...just asking... Mithril Dude my army is the same. Now my reliable melee reroll is a random die roll that I have to spend cp to not even gurantee. It's fluffy and thematic but obnoxious as all hell that his reroll aura is tied to the terrible prayer system from sigmar. And I'm not world eaters so I can't run Khârn for rerolls... Different people, different tastes I guess. I never took an Apostle/Chaplain for the re-roll aura anyway since the re-roll aura from a Lord/Captain is enough and he can hit harder himself so I'm not crying after it for one second, however I do think the prayer system is a LOT more interesting and fun to use than a plain buff aura. mithrilforge, I've seen enough of gws practices to make me grim and despondent. It's not like the rest of us hasn't but we aren't being negative all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 How world eaters come out will determine things for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Although i believe the new aesthetic of the CSM range suits the Night lords down to the ground i'm determined to do BL/SOH (even if i've been slightly tempted by the red corsairs lol) It just means i have a bunch of Night Lord upgrade parts going to waste lol. I am very excited by the idea of the World eater release and i hope against hope we get a 40k version of the slaughter priest. I'm actually really liking the rules and such for the word bearers and dark apostles. Very thematic and the randomness doesn't bother me in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayniac Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I personally find it hard to stay positive when GW keeps missing the mark on rules. Everyone is all oh cool new models and I'm like yeah, they are cool but how do they play, since gameplay is very important for me. It seems like there's a larger than normal chunk of GW "hobbyists" who don't really care about the game as long as they have pretty models to add to their collection. Still hoping the stuff we haven't seen in Vigilus makes up for the lack of updating the legion traits at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I'll admit it is a bit discouraging to see GW still trying to push mixed Chaos armies. Especially using CP farming as a reason to do so. It almost seems like Chaos is still paying for the sins of the Ghost 3.5 Past. That being said, I think the Chaos codex is still viable and fluffy enough to properly represent the Traitor Legions, some more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnok Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 How world eaters come out will determine things for me. They will get a codex of their own in the not too distant future, same as Emperors Children. For that reason alone I would not expect anything awesome for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Brotherhood Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 How world eaters come out will determine things for me. They will get a codex of their own in the not too distant future, same as Emperors Children. For that reason alone I would not expect anything awesome for now. I don't really get why the WE and EC codex keeps getting toted when they are already part of the main CSM codex with their own legion trait, warlord trait, relics etc etc. If they were going to get a separate codex they would say that through the wording like how they already mention Death Guard and Thousand Sons having their own codexes in the CSM codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Like they would hint at something like that, I doubt we'll hear something official about it until there is a "leak" and they are forced to mention it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 How world eaters come out will determine things for me. They will get a codex of their own in the not too distant future, same as Emperors Children. For that reason alone I would not expect anything awesome for now. I don't really get why the WE and EC codex keeps getting toted when they are already part of the main CSM codex with their own legion trait, warlord trait, relics etc etc. If they were going to get a separate codex they would say that through the wording like how they already mention Death Guard and Thousand Sons having their own codexes in the CSM codex. No? DG have been part of the Index the same way as EC and WE are part of the Codex. Whenever they might get their own Codex GW can just say that the EC and WE rules in the CSM Codex aren't valid anymore and point people towards their new Codexes and then when CSM get a new Codex eventually EC and WE won't be part of it anymore the same way TSons and DG aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Brotherhood Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 We were informed from the start with Dark Imperium and CSM codex that DG would get their own codex, so they stipulated it along with the thousand sons in the CSM codex. To be honest the whole WE / EC codex wish has come from nothing but internet and youtuber hype and has no root in anything GW have said. It started out with a few people wishlisting it to gradually people saying it WILL happen when GW have not even hinted at it/ If anything them releasing a CSM codex V2 that still contains WE / EC only cements the fact they wont get their own codex any time soon, nor will we see a CSM codex overhaul any time soon. The best EC and WE can hope for at the moment is things like these specialist detachments that we're seeing in the Vigilus books etc, or at best a white dwarf article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 We were informed from the start with Dark Imperium and CSM codex that DG would get their own codex, so they stipulated it along with the thousand sons in the CSM codex. To be honest the whole WE / EC codex wish has come from nothing but internet and youtuber hype and has no root in anything GW have said. It started out with a few people wishlisting it to gradually people saying it WILL happen when GW have not even hinted at it/ If anything them releasing a CSM codex V2 that still contains WE / EC only cements the fact they wont get their own codex any time soon, nor will we see a CSM codex overhaul any time soon. The best EC and WE can hope for at the moment is things like these specialist detachments that we're seeing in the Vigilus books etc, or at best a white dwarf article. Of course it's just speculation. Nobody ever claimed anything else except for maybe some rumour mongers. However from what we've seen it's more likely for them to get their own Codex than it is for them to stay in Codex CSM. The fact that they are listed in the current CSM Codex doesn't mean anything since without it they would have just the Index rules for who knows how much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furnace Lord Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Coming in from a long absence I see people talking about World Eaters and EC Codexes like they're done deals on every forum and facebook page. I had just assumed they'd been announced the way people talk. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Seeing the new Havoc models I have decided to go back to my bitter and twisted roots, Iron Within brothers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I'm seriously tempted to start a small Flawless Host warband with models that I'm unlikely to use as EC if we ever get a Codex for them (like daemon engines, basic chaos marines, terminators and havocs). Damn you GW! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Would anyone mind helping me develop the lore for my warband? I don't have any plans to paint them in the near future, I want to spend time on building and converting, it's the most fun for me right now. I want them to be obsessed with honor in combat, seeking out personal combat, but not insane frothing animals like World Eaters seem to become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 So what World Eaters used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undivided_apostle Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I started a black legion warband because of Obsidius Mallex. This release is becoming so large I am not sure where to start so I'm preordering Abaddon (seems like the safe bet). Previously I ran an undivided renegade warband through sixth and seventh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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