BSB Speculation

[ThePenitentOne]

So will Moday's BSB just be the contents of the box breakdown?

 

It could also be hints about how the Psychic Awakening will effect us, or about model releases which aren't in the box, like our tanks.

[Atrus]

Probably a rehash of the sisters segment of this nova preview.

One after that probably a breakdown of what exactly is in the box.

 

Still got some padding and out to do till october before they finally tease a rule or two.

[taikishi]

Sadly, I'm still not seeing anything really "excite" me. Probably because I either have no interest in the models (Repentia, Mistress, Penitent Engine, Canoness) or already most of what I need.

 

I really, really hope we get some new toys, but I'm not expecting it. :(

[ValourousHeart]

The release is going to be like the vanguard marines.  We'll get 10 sisters, 5 sera, 5 repentia, Canoness, Mistress, Imigifyer, Penitent Engine and 1 more model.

 

The kits will come out with bits to make another squad.

[dracpanzer]

I will be the first to admit that I have been getting exceedingly salty and jaded recently. The whole marine dex(s) recently has been a particularly rage inducing topic...

I can't say I was salty by anything we had seen so far. The Repentia are different now, but the only thing I'm really seeing that is gone from the old ones is the hoods. Scrolls, tabards, even garters made it into the final ones. Aesthetic preserved, good enough for me. The Canoness can easily get a head swap if you want one, not sure on the weapon load out. I still prefer the old PenEngine, but since I own nine I'm good with that.

 

For me the BSB is just seriously lacking in any form of rules update. Bad rules and it won't matter what the models look like, I really want them to at least make a dent in the meta come November. Give us some insight in to what the effect of our suffering with the Beta has had!

[ThePenitentOne]

The release is going to be like the vanguard marines.  We'll get 10 sisters, 5 sera, 5 repentia, Canoness, Mistress, Imigifyer, Penitent Engine and 1 more model.

 

The kits will come out with bits to make another squad.

 

The imagifier will continue as a simulacrum Imperialis, meaning the model will be one of the 10 sisters.

 

Your 5 wild card models are the Canoness, Mistress, Hospitaler, Dialogus and PE.

 

If the new dex puts the mistress back into the Repentia Squad, you'll only get 4 Repentia, opening a window for another character model. 

[ERJAK]

 

The release is going to be like the vanguard marines.  We'll get 10 sisters, 5 sera, 5 repentia, Canoness, Mistress, Imigifyer, Penitent Engine and 1 more model.

 

The kits will come out with bits to make another squad.

 

The imagifier will continue as a simulacrum Imperialis, meaning the model will be one of the 10 sisters.

 

Your 5 wild card models are the Canoness, Mistress, Hospitaler, Dialogus and PE.

 

If the new dex puts the mistress back into the Repentia Squad, you'll only get 4 Repentia, opening a window for another character model. 

 

Hey, I've been going through the video frame by frame and I only count 4 repentia, which means we have 3 models unaccounted for because I 100% saw Canoness, Mistress, 5 Seraphim, 10 battle sisters, and the 4 repentia.

[ThePenitentOne]

Dialogus, Hospitaller, plus Palatine, Jump Canoness or Named Character?

 

Dare to dream:

 

Exorcist, Immolator, plus Repressor or Flier?

 

Maybe we get a hint Monday.

[Dominoris]

"A journey of Faith begins with" ....

Seeing how much money they were losing to a kickstarter.

[ERJAK]

Dialogus, Hospitaller, plus Palatine, Jump Canoness or Named Character?

 

Dare to dream:

 

Exorcist, Immolator, plus Repressor or Flier?

 

Maybe we get a hint Monday.

I'm gonna say the Hospitaller won't be in this box. There'd be no reason not to show it at this point.

[Aothaine]

Dialogus, Hospitaller, plus Palatine, Jump Canoness or Named Character?

 

You misspelled Palpatine.  I got your back though. :D

 

Repressors being added to the codex would make me so excited! I don't mind using the forgeworld rules for now. But having them actually be recognized in the codex would be so amazing! But I know it won't happen. It would be cool though if we got our own flyer. Even if it is just the Valkyrie model. I don't think Sister's have access to Power of the Machine Spirit. But, they do have bolt weapons and Rhinos. Maybe we'll get access to the Space Marine flyers?

[ATPete]

 

 get access to the Space Marine flyers?

 

 Truly this is a fate worse than an absence of flyers. Hopefully they design something that doesn't look like a spud with wings, or just give a plastic model of the Avenger. 

[Atrus]

Agreed. No lazy way out. Avenger or something new and shiny for the sisters.

 

Th at said, I do actually lime the look of the corvus; though I count that as inquisition, not marine.

[Ficinus]

Is anyone else worried that the eviscerator option will be going away for the canoness? The new model doesn't have one, the Beta codex left it out, and with the Index being killed and replaced with Legends, we may no longer have the option of using Index wargear.

[ATPete]

 I'm annoyed at the way they've handled wargear generally in new codices. I suspect they'll have a nearly completely fixed loadout for most characters, although I'd love to be proven wrong. I want missionaries that actually have useful weapons again.

[Atrus]

I'm waiting for the codex to drop. We have seen renders of eviscerators.

 

Even if they don't have them in the codex, it won't affect me as I don't play competitive/tournaments, so as GW say, I can play them till the year 40k in narrative and casual.

 

That said, I too dislike the shrinking pool of wargear and character "your doodz" customisation.

[ValourousHeart]

Is anyone else worried that the eviscerator option will be going away for the canoness? The new model doesn't have one, the Beta codex left it out, and with the Index being killed and replaced with Legends, we may no longer have the option of using Index wargear.

 

I am worried about the Eviserator, but not in the way you described.  I'm worried about any option that is the clearly superior choice to all players.  That isn't really a choice, and should have just been included in the starting gear.

 

I'd rather have choices.  If they put the Eviserator back in the codex, they need to put in 2 alternatives that are equivalent effectiveness but that are better vs different targets.  Much the way that swords, axes and clubs each have a role without one being clearly superior to the other 2 in all situations.

 

Players can still have their preference, but it shouldn't be a unanimous consensus for a single choice. 

[Beams]

 

 

Is anyone else worried that the eviscerator option will be going away for the canoness? The new model doesn't have one, the Beta codex left it out, and with the Index being killed and replaced with Legends, we may no longer have the option of using Index wargear.

I am worried about the Eviserator, but not in the way you described. I'm worried about any option that is the clearly superior choice to all players. That isn't really a choice, and should have just been included in the starting gear.

 

I'd rather have choices. If they put the Eviserator back in the codex, they need to put in 2 alternatives that are equivalent effectiveness but that are better vs different targets. Much the way that swords, axes and clubs each have a role without one being clearly superior to the other 2 in all situations.

 

Players can still have their preference, but it shouldn't be a unanimous consensus for a single choice.

Well, the eviscerator isn't the superior choice -- it makes our canoness much more expensive.

 

If you want her to stand back and support retributors/Exorcists, you give her a Chainsword or a cheap weapon and a stormbolter/Combiplas.

 

If you want her to chop infantry, you give her a power maul/power sword, since the -1 to hit makes her variance unreliable, and the power maul (Str 6, AP -1) will work as effective but more reliable for chaff than an eviscerator, and do so much cheaper.

 

If you want something in your army that has a chance at meleeing a marine, you giver her an eviscerator.

 

I can't imagine why people hat won it, but are cool with powerfists and thunder hammers for space Marines when it's identical to a powerfist...

[Ficinus]

 

 

Is anyone else worried that the eviscerator option will be going away for the canoness? The new model doesn't have one, the Beta codex left it out, and with the Index being killed and replaced with Legends, we may no longer have the option of using Index wargear.

I am worried about the Eviserator, but not in the way you described. I'm worried about any option that is the clearly superior choice to all players. That isn't really a choice, and should have just been included in the starting gear.

 

I'd rather have choices. If they put the Eviserator back in the codex, they need to put in 2 alternatives that are equivalent effectiveness but that are better vs different targets. Much the way that swords, axes and clubs each have a role without one being clearly superior to the other 2 in all situations.

 

Players can still have their preference, but it shouldn't be a unanimous consensus for a single choice.

I'd rather have a clearly superior choice than lose the only high strength, multidamage close combat weapon a canoness can take (outside of a relic). If we lose the eviscerator on the canoness, she'll become nothing but a buff model and maybe a chaff killer instead of the potential character, heavy infantry, monster blender she can be now.

[ValourousHeart]

I can't imagine why people hat won it, but are cool with powerfists and thunder hammers for space Marines when it's identical to a powerfist...

 

I'd rather have a clearly superior choice than lose the only high strength, multidamage close combat weapon a canoness can take (outside of a relic). If we lose the eviscerator on the canoness, she'll become nothing but a buff model and maybe a chaff killer instead of the potential character, heavy infantry, monster blender she can be now.

 

I think you are both missing the point.

 

Yes we should have something like the eviscerator... but why can't we have more than one thing?

 

We are hopefully getting a codex that has a couple of useful units in ever slot.  Preferably with enough choices that when 2 sister players show up to Nova or Adeptacon, they both don't have the exact same list.  And another simple way to accomplish that is to include rules for other weapons that are comparable to the evicerator.  We have plenty of examples from our previous codexes.

[ERJAK]

 

 

I can't imagine why people hat won it, but are cool with powerfists and thunder hammers for space Marines when it's identical to a powerfist...

I'd rather have a clearly superior choice than lose the only high strength, multidamage close combat weapon a canoness can take (outside of a relic). If we lose the eviscerator on the canoness, she'll become nothing but a buff model and maybe a chaff killer instead of the potential character, heavy infantry, monster blender she can be now.

I think you are both missing the point.

 

Yes we should have something like the eviscerator... but why can't we have more than one thing?

 

We are hopefully getting a codex that has a couple of useful units in ever slot. Preferably with enough choices that when 2 sister players show up to Nova or Adeptacon, they both don't have the exact same list. And another simple way to accomplish that is to include rules for other weapons that are comparable to the evicerator. We have plenty of examples from our previous codexes.

We didn't have 'other weapons comparable to the eviscerator' we just had horrendous options. Putting ANY melee weapon on a canoness was a joke in 6th and 7th and seemed pretty subpar in 5th as well. You were literally throwing away points trying to make a melee canoness do anything, even with the eternal warrior relic that stopped you from getting insta popped.

 

There's always one option with imperial weapons that's way better then everything else. Why do you think Thunderhammers are 40pts now?

 

(Sidebar: Making the thunderhammer that expensive didn't make more variety of options, it just made things that would have taken thunder hammers before worse as they all either got dropped from lists or switched to power fists/the burning blade)

[Ficinus]

 

 

I can't imagine why people hat won it, but are cool with powerfists and thunder hammers for space Marines when it's identical to a powerfist...

I'd rather have a clearly superior choice than lose the only high strength, multidamage close combat weapon a canoness can take (outside of a relic). If we lose the eviscerator on the canoness, she'll become nothing but a buff model and maybe a chaff killer instead of the potential character, heavy infantry, monster blender she can be now.

I think you are both missing the point.

 

Yes we should have something like the eviscerator... but why can't we have more than one thing?

 

We are hopefully getting a codex that has a couple of useful units in ever slot. Preferably with enough choices that when 2 sister players show up to Nova or Adeptacon, they both don't have the exact same list. And another simple way to accomplish that is to include rules for other weapons that are comparable to the evicerator. We have plenty of examples from our previous codexes.

Yeah, that would be great, I'm just not that optimistic. The general trend has been towards fewer options for characters (GSC have, I believe, a single wargear option between all of their characters, for instance). The new canoness model that they handed out at NOVA has no alternative builds either, though it is possible they will release multiple canoness models (or that this is a simplified one and they will release a kit with more options later).

[ValourousHeart]

 

We have plenty of examples from our previous codexes.

We didn't have 'other weapons comparable to the eviscerator' we just had horrendous options. Putting ANY melee weapon on a canoness was a joke in 6th and 7th and seemed pretty subpar in 5th as well. You were literally throwing away points trying to make a melee canoness do anything, even with the eternal warrior relic that stopped you from getting insta popped.

 

There's always one option with imperial weapons that's way better then everything else. Why do you think Thunderhammers are 40pts now?

 

(Sidebar: Making the thunderhammer that expensive didn't make more variety of options, it just made things that would have taken thunder hammers before worse as they all either got dropped from lists or switched to power fists/the burning blade)

 

You do know we didn't have a codex in 5th, 6th, or 7th edition.  The only editions we had a codex released was in 2nd and 3rd.  Both of those codexes had several really good wargear options that were not Eviscerators.

 

Your sidebar actually proves my point.  Even accepting the ridiculous premise that across all of the space marines codexes there is only a single viable HQ build, you just gave 3 alternatives for weapons to arm a smash captain with.

 

Why do you want our codex to be regulated to a single build with a single weapon choice?  Wouldn't you like the option to switch weapons like the smash captains can?  Wouldn't you like to have other viable build options in your arsenal?

 

 

Yeah, that would be great, I'm just not that optimistic. The general trend has been towards fewer options for characters (GSC have, I believe, a single wargear option between all of their characters, for instance). The new canoness model that they handed out at NOVA has no alternative builds either, though it is possible they will release multiple canoness models (or that this is a simplified one and they will release a kit with more options later).

 

I don't expect that the Canoness released at NOVA will change between now and her official release.  But I also don't think we have seen the full range yet.  I also don't think that we have seen the full contents of the November release.  I don't think it is a coincidence that so far we have only see units that replace classic units, and not even all of the classic units yet.

 

You are correct about how characters tend to go, ever since the CHS lawsuit.  But is GSC the best example we have for a faction that GW would like pattern the sisters release after?  I think our range will more closely resemble Deathwatch or Greyknights than it will GSC as far as number of units in codex, and kits and characters on the shelf.

[dracpanzer]

One Blade of Admonition and a handful of Eviscerators are fine with me. A relic inferno pistol with 12" range would be fun.

 

Now if they wanted to give us a unit with shields and power mauls that also counted as hand flamer pistols (holy promethium sprinkler anyone?) I would be fine with that too.

 

I'm not very optimistic that there is all that much waiting in the wings just yet. The entire thing seems rushed to me like the 2019 deadline made them tighten up the line just to make the deadline.

[Dread]

So waiting for a dream to come true has been relentless but there finely is a light shining. I like reading everyone's thoughts both positive and negative. My thoughts are that this will yield some great things and some not so. Either way, the cost isn't going to change much from metal to plastics using the price for current releases.

 

Hopefully AoF will be addressed in the new dex to put them on par with other dex's. Drukhari have great adds, necrons have some great things, orks, harlequins have major buffs so using those as a balancing tool, I'd like to see the sisters in their own not chick marines.

 

Also can't wait to see the new vehicles, hopefully their own, not marine hand me downs, something special from Mars. Either way we don't have much longer to wait. ....I hope.

 

The repentia really did nothing for me until I saw paint on them but what I don't like can be fixed a lot easier on plastic. Hopefully the new set will come with 9 and a mistress like before.

 

Hopefully the engine will have 2 different pilot options like the old one.