mertbl Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 No. They definently look like the night haunter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5377586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 No. They definently look like the night haunter I'm just glad they are clearly retractable. Look at the old model and tell me if you can imagine him doing anything with his hands that requires manual dexterity. Black Library authors have been describing lightning claws in general as being retractable for years now. He's the first model other than Corax on which they actually are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5377611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 So are you guys generally happy the chapter is getting fresh model support? I would say so. I'd love to see a Primaris jump infantry unit accompany Shrike but I don't know if that will happen. It won't. Codex just released, contains several units for which models aren't out yet. The rest of the world would flip their lids if we got a jump Primaris unit they didn't have access to. I feel if he was getting a Primaris Shrikes Wing unit, they'd have shown it alongside him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5377657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 So are you guys generally happy the chapter is getting fresh model support? I would say so. I'd love to see a Primaris jump infantry unit accompany Shrike but I don't know if that will happen. It won't. Codex just released, contains several units for which models aren't out yet. The rest of the world would flip their lids if we got a jump Primaris unit they didn't have access to. I feel if he was getting a Primaris Shrikes Wing unit, they'd have shown it alongside him. If Dark Angels can have their special land speeder or Blood Angels can have their Death Company why can't we have a special unit as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5377711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Man has a point. I would imagine it as a Reiver squad with special rules Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5377712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 So are you guys generally happy the chapter is getting fresh model support?I would say so. I'd love to see a Primaris jump infantry unit accompany Shrike but I don't know if that will happen.It won't. Codex just released, contains several units for which models aren't out yet. The rest of the world would flip their lids if we got a jump Primaris unit they didn't have access to.I feel if he was getting a Primaris Shrikes Wing unit, they'd have shown it alongside him. If Dark Angels can have their special land speeder or Blood Angels can have their Death Company why can't we have a special unit as well? Because GW is just now realizing that we're not just Ultramarines in black armor...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5377953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 The only real problem I have with the model is that it doesn't look like what I expect a Chapter Master to look like - grizzled, old, weathered, wise. That's not necessarily a "bad" thing, though, as we shouldn't expect characters to fit inside of nice tidy boxes. The head, especially the hair, just makes me think of a relatively young battle-brother (no more than a veteran). I don't dislike the hair, mind you, other than the fact that hair in that style would be impractical for a warrior in power armour. And heretical as this may sound, I'm just not a fan of the beaky helmet - all of that weight on the front is just not ergonomical. I know it's one of the signature elements of the Raven Guard Chapter, but I don't see why there was a need for Shrike to have a beaky helmet for his Mk X armour. I would have preferred a stylized Primaris helmet. I'm not at all bothered by the decorations and pouches and what-not. Those, at least, speak to the more veteran nature of the individual. And as has been shown, the pouches might not be over the top considering the fact that modern soldiers commonly carry similar amounts of gear (sometimes much more, but then they don't have the inbuilt C2 and medical doodads of our genetically enhanced transhuman fictional Space Marines ). I think that those metal bars on the backs of the boots are there to help cushion the landing, and perhaps as a slight buttressing for the additional weight of the modified jump pack. This doesn't look like a stealthy operator, instead looking more like a deep striker. Either works fine with the Raven Guard Chapter tactics (and whether or not this is correct will be seen when we see the Raven Guard supplement). Overall, as long as there is a head/helmet option (even though I know I'm not going to like the beaky helmet option), I think that the new miniature is a vast improvement over the original. YMMV (quoting myself sounds like speaking in the third person, which is weird, but it was easier than trying to re-compose what I just posted in the NRBA forum discussion. ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5377991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I love all things Raptor and most things Raven Guard : especially if they are Primaris ... but yeah, the beakie helmet isn’t my favorite. I know it’s wasnt possible when originally conceived but it just doesn’t look feral enough to warrant as warhead. kind of cartoony if not done just right. This model though ... definitely keeping it on the hip as a homage to the old school and fits my Warhawk theme enough I’m interested to see if I can up with a color scheme for the Phobos (and my officer corp) armor that does it justice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 And heretical as this may sound, I'm just not a fan of the beaky helmet Heresy indeed! Get out!!! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 And heretical as this may sound, I'm just not a fan of the beaky helmet Heresy indeed! Get out!!! ***You have been banned for insubordination by the ordinatus administratum*** ***Report to the nearest commissar*** Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 No. They definently look like the night haunter Well because I have both on my shelf. And curze's are curved across the entire blade and end in a hook, while corax' are straight and end in a hook. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I don't this made it here but it was posted in the N&R Shrike thread (that is a bunch of whiney babies). Not gonna lie that I like a lot of what this has going on. The base is a huge improvement and I had already planned on doing something similar as I don't like my guys up high like that (and transporting in my cases is difficult). I don't mind the Phobos legs but I do like these a little more, and I do think the jump pack is an improvement as it's not so gaudy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I like the helmet I'm hoping I can do that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 And heretical as this may sound, I'm just not a fan of the beaky helmet - all of that weight on the front is just not ergonomical. I know it's one of the signature elements of the Raven Guard Chapter, but I don't see why there was a need for Shrike to have a beaky helmet for his Mk X armour. I would have preferred a stylized Primaris helmet. Heresy noted. A Vindicare has been dispatched to your position. On the beaky helmet: I think several things come into play here. It's not just any beaky helmet. By looking at the new model compared to the old, it is the same helmet. He literally said "Screw you, I'm keeping my helmet." A number of reasons could exist for that choice. 1) Sentimental reasons. Shrike never struck me as the most sentimental guy, but I can understand wanting to keep his helmet. Looking at his model, everything else is brand new. I totally get wanting to go into battle with at least something that is familiar to him. A warrior going into battle with unfamiliar equipment is at a disadvantage. So it might actually be a case of him not wanting to be less effective in combat, so he incorporated the only piece of his old armor that is actually compatible with the new suit. 2) There are non-standard systems built into that particular helmet. The Raven Guard have access to a small Forge World that utilizes tech that they haven't shared with the wider Mechanicus. It stands to reason that the Chapter Master of the Chapter they have a mutual agreement with would have some really advanced equipment. If his new armor was originally designed by Cawl (likely), it is entirely logical that he wouldn't want anyone looking too close at the extra sensors and other systems his helmet contains. Edit for clarity: I believe part of the agreement between the Raven Guard and the Tech Guilds of Kiavahr includes the Raven Guard getting equipment that other Chapters fo not in exchange for not letting anyone else KNOW they have it, because the Tech Guilds don't want to share (possibly out of fears of being branded hereteks). Therefore, if Shrike wants to keep his advanced sensor package, he's going to use the old helmet due to not wanting to hand those systems over to Cawl's people to put in a new helmet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I don't this made it here but it was posted in the N&R Shrike thread (that is a bunch of whiney babies). It's not just any beaky helmet. By looking at the new model compared to the old, it is the same helmet. He literally said "Screw you, I'm keeping my helmet." My favorite two post of the week I love the helmetless version (a first for me) but definitely keeping the old helmet because ... yeah what you said Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 It's a different helmet though. And Idk how calling people who don't like a model "whiny babies" is supposed to accomplish anything. A lot of people don't like the model; very few like every part of it. It's not a perfect model. The news and rumor section is going to get a more representative portion of opinions than a sub-sub-forum... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Yes but we don't care about their opinions as much because 4/5 (made up number) have no vested interest and just like complaining about anything new, different or Primaris. It's just too much whining. Here we talk, tactics, rules, painting. Here we are looking for ways to make the best of this not perfect model. What model is? Most all of us appreciate Shrike keeping his old helmet. Many of us want to make a head swap for the helmet, Many of us like the helmet less version as it is unique and fits the fluff for Shrike (something too many of the complainers don't seem to "get") They don't know, or care to know, what Raven Guard is about. It's about turning tragedy into triumph and taking our lumps along the way until we get it right, but most important it's about "getting things accomplished." Decenting (sp?) opinions are welcome and encouraged a long as they are presented in a constructive manner looking for solutions. For instance the Photoshop ( Idon't know who did it either but thumbs up) is great, I don't go for much of it myself, I like the sculpt minus that crazy wall myself, but the Photoshop is a useful visual tool that we can discuss. I have to apologize to my Brothers I kinda lost it on the N&R when it seemed to just be focusing on the hair the hair the hair. I got pulled into the toxic attitude and I need to find a way to be more constructive in that forum in the future ;( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Painting: so shoulder pauldrons, black with red trim like the GW mini, or white paldrons too? Rules: how much more will he cost? That pistol though? Those claws, Raven's Talons or a new set? Tactics: who do we run him with? My vote? Suppressors for the trolling. Yeah, you cannot overwatch at me, but my Suppressors will shoot you anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 It's a different helmet though. I disagree. It is pretty obviously the same helmet, as it has all the visual cues of the original. It's just a better and more detailed sculpt so it looks a little different on the model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Agree with Claws, pretty sure it's the same helmet. I mean, yes it's a new sculpt but I think it's clear they were trying to recreate the original as an homage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 It's a different helmet though. I disagree. It is pretty obviously the same helmet, as it has all the visual cues of the original. It's just a better and more detailed sculpt so it looks a little different on the model. You can disagree all you want, doesn't make the helmet the same. The old helmet has a raven who's feet extend past the eyes, head is turned to the left, and who's wings go down the temples. The new helmet's entire crest is confined to the forehead and the raven's head is replaced by a skull design. It also has nubs by the bottom of the ear parts. I'd agree with the other guy in that it's an homage, but by definition an homage isn't the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Calgar's gauntlets and Tiggy's staff don't look exactly the same as on the old models... But they are the same items. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Meh, I'm sure the Supplement will say. Anyone giving odds on its his original helmet? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Calgar's gauntlets and Tiggy's staff don't look exactly the same as on the old models... But they are the same items. So, that would mean that those Claws are the Raven's Talons with a new look? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Yeah definitely. I'd wager on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358015-primaris-shrike/page/4/#findComment-5378865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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