Jarl Caldersson Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Where is the rumour that wolves get nothing? Our French friend who has had everything right except for wolves in Jan stated Ragnar is coming. I don’t doubt that at this point Wasn't the French rumor that a separate case. Iirc this was dakka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Where is the rumour that wolves get nothing? Our French friend who has had everything right except for wolves in Jan stated Ragnar is coming. I don’t doubt that at this pointWasn't the French rumor that a separate case. Iirc this was dakka. The Ragnar rumors was from the guy who spoiled alot of the marine stuff, Sete translated alot of (he was more concerned about Templars). I think the original posting stopped posting when alot of people started quoting him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangoalphatwo Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Was that the same one that mentioned an ork vs wolves box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Space Wolves could get nothing and then.... BAM Russ. It could happen. #RussForBestPrimarch2020 Edited December 10, 2019 by Aothaine Sarto ripped claw 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I say, the safest option is. Expect nothing, except for some rules. anything else is a win. Lets not raise expectations ! Boytoy, Aothaine, Karhedron and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Really struggling finding an answer to this you know! Can out Iron Priests use the Master of the Forge upgrade from Faith and Fury? I know other characters lack the right key words but Iron Priests do have TECHMARINE so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) Atm, assume no. The level 2 stuff affects codex proper. Until gw outright says yes, then we cannot Edited December 13, 2019 by Triszin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Simply put we cat use those stratagems because they might as well be tyranid stratagems, these are stratagems for a different codex. Yes we have some shared keywords however we dont get the stratagem as it's not in our book. Basically we only have stratagems that are in our book. Or that we are given access to by an official GW source. Likely we will get something similar in PA but until then we actually have a publication that grants us the stratagem it's not for us. Triszin 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Well poop... I really fancy an Iron Priest giving out extra attacks to my Dreads. It's something I like to run every game, a trio of Dreads and an Iron Priest, but I do wish it was just a bit... better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Worth noting that the Blood Angels didn't get the Level 2 character stratagems. In a way, this makes sense in a lot of cases. We already have named characters for a lot of key positions. We also get Sanguinary Priests as a level 2 Apothecary. Techmarines are the only unnamed slot. I have a hunch that Space Wolves will be the same. I don't see us getting a Chief Iron Priest stratagem. On the flip side, BAs got several stratagems to boost their signature units like Death Company and Sanguinary Guard. With luck, we might get some other good toys too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I truly wonder how we turn out. We don't really have a Death Company like BA do, which any unit can get a keyword and a buff. We have Wolf Guard but they are the same stat line as GH, their strength comes in their weapon options. Wulfen are Primaris so we won't see "Primaris Wulfen". So I don't know how that will go. I can guess we get some stratagems for buffing our Wulfen and maybe Wolf Guard? It's a strange place to be right now. We are non-codex marines but we also are not like the other non-codex marines as we take it to the extreme. Even BA/DA attempt to be (or appear to be in the case of DA) codex compliant. We make no such effort. Then we have a diverse strategy between the 13 companies, with nothing being noted about our one or two confirmed successors appearing since Dark Imperium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I suspect we will be getting wolf spear rules like how BA got flesh tearers. Not positive of course but I wouldn't be surprised. My dream for the variance between great companies is that the second half of the chapter tactic can be changed by company. Like keep the +1 to hit on charge for all space wolves, but then vary the 6" heroic intervention part to be different from great company to great company to represent the unique methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splog Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Wulfen are not Primaris. If they were, they would have the Primaris keyword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I think he meant primaris in scale not actually primaris units. Dark Shepherd and PeteySödes 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OgreOnAStick Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Isn't the Wulfen unit meant to represent both minimarines and the pretty princess marines in a mixed unit? At least I've heard mumblings in this forum of such being mentioned in an interview. I don't really mind stratagems to boost the Wulfen unit, but having a second unit of the slavering beasts just feels redundant. Giving an unit the ability to generally deny one power or when used against them would be a decent upgrade. Personally, I wouldn't be against an addition of a Wulfen Priest as a character or a Pack Leader upgrade if it meant the resurrection of Cult of Morkai and Deathsworn packs. As for the Master of the Forge. You can technically make an Iron Priest a MoF as the stratagem's target is a TECHMARINE, but that requires a detachment from the SM book to unlock the stratagem itself. You won't get much out of the stratagem itself other than the keyword as the IP lacks the rule it boosts. The wording on the Warlord traits is <CHAPTER> DREADNOUGHT/VEHICLE so won't affect SPACE WOLVES. Interestingly, the stratagem "Hero of the Chapter" specifies the target is ADEPTUS ASTARTES CHARACTER in one's army. The relics require a Warlord to be from the SM faction and replaces a 'Chapter Relic', but technically doesn't specify that the recipient MASTER OF THE FORGE model needs to be of <CHAPTER>, just of the same army. Since IP can't have power axes, the only relic available would be The Endurant Protector, but since bikers and twolf priests were put to pasture, I don't think 4++ and +1T being worth the risk of getting hit with a rolled newspaper for interpreting of RAW in such manner. Edit: Oh, right. Need to check the FAQ in case some of these got mended. And yes, yes they were. Can't use SM stratagems on other Astartes models. Boo. Edited December 16, 2019 by OgreOnAStick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 Any more direct buffs to Wulfen in the form of strats etc would be insane Wulfen/13th company characters on the other hand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I still dislike being balanced around stratagems. Half the armies I make are CP starved. OgreOnAStick, Triszin and Jarl Caldersson 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I still dislike being balanced around stratagems. Half the armies I make are CP starved. Yep. I always viewed elite armies as, cp strats should be baked into the unit. While gaurd and Ork armies eat cp like candy. PeteySödes 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 I still dislike being balanced around stratagems. Half the armies I make are CP starved. I think thats an 8th edition problem/playing to your strategems is the way to go in general. Know the feeling though, am giddy at the thought of my list now having 10 (minus 1 for extra relic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) I think he meant primaris in scale not actually primaris units. yeah. but i think if primaris marines started to go wulfen, i don't think you would a new kit to distinguish them. they'd mix in with the other wulfen packs and that's that. Edited December 16, 2019 by Wispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Yes, Wulfen were sized to match the Primaris, and the idea is they represent Wulfen from either the standard Astartes line or the Primaris Astartes line. That one was from a Jervis interview IIRC. Wispy, Triszin, Dark Shepherd and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Wulfen are not Primaris. If they were, they would have the Primaris keyword. Yes, Wulfen were sized to match the Primaris, and the idea is they represent Wulfen from either the standard Astartes line or the Primaris Astartes line. That one was from a Jervis interview IIRC. As Bryan and a few other have stated. Wulfen were meant to cover first bloods and primaris marines. I have seen many people on FB and in other forums request primaris wulfen. However that is not going to happen. I realize they lack the keyword primaris, however I think that is to cover something in the future and we are not there yet. Wolf Guard Dan and Triszin 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I want our TWC to matter again. They need fleet back. I'd love a stratagem to allow them to re-engage a withdrawing unit. We need something like this, and they are the right unit for it. Jarl Caldersson, PeteySödes and NightHowler 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 I want our TWC to matter again. They need fleet back. I'd love a stratagem to allow them to re-engage a withdrawing unit. We need something like this, and they are the right unit for it. A strat like that would be cool as would a general counter charge one. As others have said they should get some crushing charge mortal wound mechanic v infantry/bikes/cav. And the reroll charges for named twc characters and beasts should ve extended to all twc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) hurdle for thunderwolf cav buffs is the playtesters are all traumatized by them and are resistant to improving them Edited December 17, 2019 by Wispy Dark Shepherd, Triszin and NightHowler 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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