Fedor Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Spoiler is about character deaths so don't click if you don't want to know anything about who dies in the book. Reading other site spoilers and it seems Abnett has killed almost every single Sons character not named Abaddon....KIbre, Aximand, Marr, Tormageddon all dead Edited March 23, 2020 by Fedor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpAcEGhOsT095 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Reading other site spoilers and it seems Abnett has killed almost every single Sons character not named Abaddon....KIbre, Aximand, Marr, Tormageddon all dead Who killed Little Horus and Marr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Reading other site spoilers and it seems Abnett has killed almost every single Sons character not named Abaddon....KIbre, Aximand, Marr, Tormageddon all dead Who killed Little Horus and Marr? Loken. He killed Tormageddon too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpAcEGhOsT095 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Reading other site spoilers and it seems Abnett has killed almost every single Sons character not named Abaddon....KIbre, Aximand, Marr, Tormageddon all dead Who killed Little Horus and Marr? Loken. He killed Tormageddon too. Really? In Vengeful Spirit Loken and another guy couldn't beat Aximand. Did he turn into Cerberus again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Reading other site spoilers and it seems Abnett has killed almost every single Sons character not named Abaddon....KIbre, Aximand, Marr, Tormageddon all dead Who killed Little Horus and Marr? Loken. He killed Tormageddon too. Really? In Vengeful Spirit Loken and another guy couldn't beat Aximand. Did he turn into Cerberus again? No - Aximand is cornered while trying to escape, flips out at the sight of Loken, and the outcome is never in doubt. He dies in gruesome fashion without much of a fight. It certainly isn't the elegantly lethal Aximand of Solar War, although Loken being his kryptonite is obviously a long-running narrative theme, and is a very stark contrast with Loken's kill of Tormageddon, which is closer and much more of an "edge of your seat" moment. Edited March 23, 2020 by Marshal Loss Lord Lorne Walkier, Fire Golem and SpAcEGhOsT095 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpAcEGhOsT095 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 At the end of this book, how far is it from the last day when Horus drops the shields? Assuming they are staying with the 55-day siege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFurioso Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Assuming they are staying with the 55-day siege. Why? Siege started in 13 February and ended in 2 October. 120.014.M31 - 757.014.M31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) At the end of this book, how far is it from the last day when Horus drops the shields? Assuming they are staying with the 55-day siege. The plot of Lost and the Damned/First Wall is longer than 55 days Edited March 23, 2020 by Marshal Rohr RedFurioso and SpAcEGhOsT095 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpAcEGhOsT095 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Assuming they are staying with the 55-day siege. Why? Siege started in 13 February and ended in 2 October. 120.014.M31 - 757.014.M31 With the buzzsaw the 16th ran into, I'm wondering if it's just going to be Ezekyle, Sargeant Redshirt, and Battle-Brother Steve in the last book. RedFurioso and Lucerne 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Yeah I think this is an error. Doesn't really square.A great many things don't square with several of the books in the last few years. James Swallow made some horrible canon errors in Lanterns Light. The editors have their share of mistakes as well. Yeah, this isn't a disaster but the ways suggested to make it 'work' are reaches and would only result in it making sense on a technical, unsatisfying level. It's sloppiness, really. Like Maximus Kane being simultaneously inducted as an aspirant into the Marines Exemplar and a 1500 year old heresy veteran, or Jubal Khan being both interestingly Terran and casually mentioned as Chogorian. Most of what I've heard about Saturnine is good and I'm generally fine with an Elder Scrolls-style approach to canon, all fraught with historical ambiguity, but to be honest the example of Kibre doesn't seem like an interesting or productive mixup that fires the imagination, more like a basic goof. Maybe someone will come along and do something cool with it, like Wraight did in The Regent's Shadow with the case of the Minotaurs' fortress-monastery, but I doubt it. Edited March 23, 2020 by Sandlemad SpAcEGhOsT095 and DarkChaplain 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedor Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 From the spoilers i've read today, i get the feeling one mood Dan was going for this with this book is a sort of anti-Empire Strikes Back thing from the loyalist perspective. A lot of little personal victories and a midway high point for them before things start to get really bad over the next few books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Imperials get minor victories all the time. This is the formative, crippling, climax of the Imperium, and is slow rot and decay forever after. Everyone without plot armour, aka a Model in 40K, can and probably should if not croak, be maimed and broken. That's what I signed up for. Lord Marshal, Lord_Caerolion and SpAcEGhOsT095 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuittzz Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 We've heard so much about all the authors/editing meetings and briefings that took place. Surely they shared what characters were gonna be killed off. ADB could've piped in with "sorry he's actually still alive in m41?" Sandlemad and aa.logan 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammel Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 We've heard so much about all the authors/editing meetings and briefings that took place. Surely they shared what characters were gonna be killed off. ADB could've piped in with "sorry he's actually still alive in m41?" Which is why I'm inclined to believe that there is something going on here, or at the very least it's a mutual goof. Abnett addresses the sheer amount of correspondence and cross-checking in the afterword - there apparently exists a 100+ page Q&A 'bible'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 It will be handwaved away later, I wouldnt worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpAcEGhOsT095 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 We've heard so much about all the authors/editing meetings and briefings that took place. Surely they shared what characters were gonna be killed off. ADB could've piped in with "sorry he's actually still alive in m41?" That just reminded me of the video ADB did for the Siege series on the WH Youtube channel. What he says from around 1:30 to 2:30 is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 I think the only thing we can do it wait until all of the SoT books have come out, as something that may appear to be out of place in one of the books already out may be addressed in one of the later books. For instance, I'm still holding out hope that Maximus Thane is killed at some point in the Siege, and replaced with a certain Oriax Dantalion. Scribe and bluntblade 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 ...and the "Thane" in the era of the Beast would not be Dantalion, right? Some other marine who assumed the name down the line, yeah? "Maximus Thane" is like "Archamus"? I can't imagine a 1,500 veteran who served honourably during the Siege not having tremendous, if not legendary, status in his chapter. On Aximand: I think much of Vengeful Spirit, like Wolfsbane, was a rather pointless exercise and Loken's unceremonious but vicious offing of Aximand is more consistent with what Dan has been trying to set up since Little Horus. Vengeful Spirit kinda takes away from (rather than adds to) it About Kibre I think it's rather premature to say whether this was planned or a goof. If it's a goof...yeah, dead/alive Kibre would be more egregious than Terran/Chogorian Jubal or young/ancient Maximus Thane bluntblade 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 ADB will fix it by the end of Black Legion 3, you'll see. Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 "Wait, you're not Falkus!" *pulls off mask "It was old man Alpharius all along!" Lucerne, Kelborn, Scribe and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) this is going to make it much more difficult for aximand to lower the shields on the vengeful spirit now. difficult, but not impossible Edited March 24, 2020 by mc warhammer Tyrannicide and Lord Lorne Walkier 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Aximand's body was never recovered by the Traitors, right?With a hearts-skewered Lucius and a decapitated Eidolon patched up by Fabius, cloned Horus and Fulgrim, essence transfer...almost nothing is impossible.I know you're joking though mc warhammer 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucerne Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Assuming they are staying with the 55-day siege. Why? Siege started in 13 February and ended in 2 October. 120.014.M31 - 757.014.M31 With the buzzsaw the 16th ran into, I'm wondering if it's just going to be Ezekyle, Sargeant Redshirt, and Battle-Brother Steve in the last book. Well the Sons were supposed to be torn apart by the Siege... And I suppose that's one way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob P Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 I'm a little disappointed with Horus Aximand's overall arc Good development up to Galaxy in Flames, leading to the blip with the short where he's fighting the Shattered Legions, then going back on track with Vengeful Spirit. Oh well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFurioso Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 I can't imagine a 1,500 veteran who served honourably during the Siege not having tremendous, if not legendary, status in his chapter. Well, Fafnir Rann got his own Chapter only 1000 years after the Heresy. If somebody could list all Titan Legions mentioned in Saturnine, I would be grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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