JimVandy85 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) I'm anxious to see if we get a legitimate supplement a la the first founding chapters. We have just as much fluff as some of them and got rolled into faith and fury for whatever reason. I hope the templars get retconned to their old fluff, not the emperor worshiping wackos we are now. That never really sat too well with me. Edited July 6, 2020 by JimVandy85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Fluff retcon is quite unlikely tho. I cannot have a neutral opinion on the Supplement. We definitely have material for one, lets see if GW is gonna do us dirty again. But for now im happy that we will have units that support our playstyle. Lets wait to see if BT keep the Crusader Squads in the primaris age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimVandy85 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Fluff retcon is quite unlikely tho. I cannot have a neutral opinion on the Supplement. We definitely have material for one, lets see if GW is gonna do us dirty again. But for now im happy that we will have units that support our playstyle. Lets wait to see if BT keep the Crusader Squads in the primaris age. I know the retcon is unlikely but its nice to dream. Primaris characters and primaris crusader squad would be nice. Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Will chapter approved have new points value for the IC? Never bought one, what usually comes there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) normally new rules (fixes) and point fixes. New missions. Edited July 6, 2020 by Medjugorje Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) I assume the new app will cover all that stuff aswell no? (if it is like the AoS app.) Edited July 6, 2020 by Sete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020   We should wait for primaris EC . Basically same role. I want to believe it should not be long now.You think? So far we've seen generic SM models and I'd think they'll start with Ultras characters first and then a pretty slow trickle down the line, not to mention all of the chapter specific transports and such which is also a big unknown...will they keep the whole line generic apart from characters? Still not buying primaris myself, just got a Redemptor as it doesn't really disrupt the army scale but should they keep a generic look I'll look into something else as it's not grim dark enough for a BT side imo. I my opinion, while their lore roles are different, the Judiciar (think that's his name) if effectively a char hunter like the EC. I do not believe that Gee Dubs will allow BT acess to 2 powerfull Char Hunters like that. Since we cannot take a chapter Champion and EC, I think this might happen again.  Ultras already have 3 named chars, I would like to think they will give them a break for a bit.  I've seen people point out that he's also a strong counter-charge unit since he can make the charging unit fight last.  I don't see GW locking us out of this one to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 http://imgur.com/ISpko9D Doesn't solve the issue completely (there is a Crusade Relic that gives +1 to your save characteristic down to a 1+, and there are ways of giving that Lt a 2+ save via chapter relics). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I'm anxious to see if we get a legitimate supplement a la the first founding chapters. We have just as much fluff as some of them and got rolled into faith and fury for whatever reason. I hope the templars get retconned to their old fluff, not the emperor worshiping wackos we are now. That never really sat too well with me. Honestly I prefer them worshipping the Emperor. It sets them apart from the other 995 or so chapters that don't. Now if the default was worship of the Emperor (something I feel would make more sense due to most of recruit populations being raised under the doctrine of the Ecclesiarchy) I'd be with you, but GW seems to think that's off so here we are. Medjugorje, Marshal Arthur, ST.Lazarus and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 As far as I am aware, GW don't lock any space marine units away from chapters beyond the unique units. The Judiciar is a main codex unit with a full datasheet., so we will get him. He's also a chaplain, and we love chaplains, so he fits right in.The chapter champion is different because he doesn't have a datasheet, he is just a stratagem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 The Judicar is very strong for BT I think. And why should GW doesnt allow it to any chapter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 The Judicar is very strong for BT I think. And why should GW doesnt allow it to any chapter? Even Deathwatch is getting them. I think we're safe. Sword Brother Adelard 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 This would make no sense if GW doesnt allow us the unit which fit perfect into our chaplain-faith oriented chapter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Â Fluff retcon is quite unlikely tho. I cannot have a neutral opinion on the Supplement. We definitely have material for one, lets see if GW is gonna do us dirty again. But for now im happy that we will have units that support our playstyle. Lets wait to see if BT keep the Crusader Squads in the primaris age. I know the retcon is unlikely but its nice to dream. Primaris characters and primaris crusader squad would be nice. Â Â Yes to both! iIf GW does this I will start work on converting Repulsor Crusaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 You could get the Storm Raven Hurricane bolters on a Repulsor without too much effort... painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 The way im planning to play will be mechanized (shame we don't have Primaris Drop pods). The Judiciar might be an Emperor Champion count as for now. The Impulsor with the shield will be great to improve survivability before a charge. I absolutely cant wait for the new edition to drop. Othniel's Blade 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 our litany which allow us to always fight first is really strong. In the enemy phase the oppotnent cant charge a monster unit like a vanguard veteran squad or Assault Centurions with this abiltiy because we choose the first unit to fiht with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I'll be honest, all the Marine stuff (and the inevitable codex coming with it) has stalled my excitement just a bit. Too many unknowns on what GW will be doing with the faction, much less the Templars, to go completely nuts with list building right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 I think if there will be a new codex we will improve by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I think if there will be a new codex we will improve by this.Agreed. I just feel what I'd want to focus on building and painting could change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 our litany which allow us to always fight first is really strong. In the enemy phase the oppotnent cant charge a monster unit like a vanguard veteran squad or Assault Centurions with this abiltiy because we choose the first unit to fiht with. I'm actually not sure if this is how it will work. The core rules just say "charging units fight first" and don't mention fight-first abilities, and abilities like Oath of Glory say "If the enemy has units that have charged, or that have a similar ability, then alternate choosing units to fight with, starting with the player whose turn is taking place." So unless there's an FAQ, fight-first won't be any better than it is now, sadly. They might FAQ it though. Â Judiciars might be more effective for blunting charges, especially if you run more than one. Three Judiciars surrounded by your favorite CC unit would be absurdly difficult to displace with a counter-charge. Medjugorje 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 I think we have to wait until the FAQ will be released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Arthur Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Do any of you think the primaris captain might get a generic storm shield option in the future? Or will he be limited to the relic shield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 I think the relic shield is better then a normal stomshield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I think the relic shield is better then a normal stomshield Especially since he also has an invul save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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