Medjugorje Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 No he has a 12" aura which give us rerolls of 1 and +1 to charge, advance and morale. In addition +3 Command Points! We would loose our superdoctrine (which is useless) and his aurabuff and WL-Trait + we must take Helbrecht as Hero of the chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 What has changed to allow us to take him? We can already take a Super-Heavy Auxiliary detachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 What has changed to allow us to take him? We can already take a Super-Heavy Auxiliary detachment. I mean the new detachment just for Primarchs and the core rules. In 8th edition we had so much disadvantages because his detachement were expensive and we used to collect CPs for own detachements. 350 points used to an additional battallion (90 + 75 for a chaplain and EC + 3x scouts) for 5CP instead of 2CP as bonus. meant it cost us that much. Now we gain 3 CPs instead. And Gully + a BT Battallion fits 1500 - 2000 points for this editon I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 That's an interesting idea. I do like the thought of having +2 to advance and charge rolls on most of the army. Even just +1 is very good. It's too bad his actual warlord trait is basically useless to us though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 So many leaks lol. Bladegaurd are simply awesome, now it's just a matter of choosing the right support to go with them. We are handicapped now by having to pay CP to get extra HQ, something that I enjoyed taking several of. So choosing correctly will be important. Regarding the 2++ SS thing. We know this will be FAQ'd extremely fast by GW, so there is no sense in continuing to talk about it. RAI is clear and I don't forsee this going past day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) I ´ve seen a few youtube unboxing videos. I searched to see the artworks and storyline.. but nothing special about BT so far (but it wasnt that much content until yet.) EDIT: the secound colorscheme are the Black Templars (the page where you can see each chapter paint scheme with all known chapters + a few more) .But no real artwork until yet. Edited July 3, 2020 by Medjugorje Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) There is an assumption around that a new SM codex will drop end of summer. Maybe if we are lucky we could get a supplement. But I would not keep my hopes high. Just to add and this is entirely my opinion, with the melee release, its the perfect chance to give focus to the melee chapter of CSM. Edited July 3, 2020 by Sete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Valkenhayn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The confusion around Stormshields right now is a little bit silly to me. I don't understand how these conclusions are being drawn, but it's pretty straight forward how this works. If you have a 3+ save, a stormshield gives you a 2+ and a 4++. If you have a 2+ save, a stormshield gives you a 1+ and a 4++. However, rolling a 1 on a saving throw always counts as a fail, and though you can not have a number modified to below 1, you calculate it, then increase to 1 in the math steps. So, An AP 0 weapon is blocked on a 2+, AP -1 blocked on a 2+, AP -2 blocked on a 3+, and AP -4 takes you to your invuln. Very simple. It doesn't need an FAQ. The only rule in the core that might is Look Out Sir when it comes to double Daemon Princes. As for taking Girlyman? The biggest down side to that is I have to field an Ultra Marine in my army, and that is not a BT or Imperial Fist. So I won't. Brother Kraskor and templargdt 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Scans of SM points have been leaked and there's no Crusader squads there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metzombie Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Because they are only for the codex and not for the supplements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Arthur Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) On the bright side, our crusader squads will be relatively cheap until they update them. Edited July 3, 2020 by Marshal Arthur Gendo, Sete and Sword Brother Adelard 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 How the tables have turned! Gendo 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Because they are only for the codex and not for the supplements. Which book is it from? Never mind got it, last book I have was the 1st 8th codex and was all together. So until they redo the recent supplement or faq we still use Faith and Fury right? Edited July 3, 2020 by Gendo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Yep, per GW, PA was done with 9th in mind so, faith and fury it is. Edited July 3, 2020 by Sete LordValandil and Gendo 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Bit of a win-win then - new supplement means new stuff, no supplement means cheaper marines! Gendo and Sete 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyB Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Bit of a win-win then - new supplement means new stuff, no supplement means cheaper marines! Or an FAQ to bring the Crusader Squad cost into conformity with the rest of the SM units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 If you have a 2+ save, a stormshield gives you a 1+ and a 4++. However, rolling a 1 on a saving throw always counts as a fail, and though you can not have a number modified to below 1, you calculate it, then increase to 1 in the math steps. There is no rule that says a roll of 1 always fails. That's precisely the issue. An UNMODIFIED 1 always fails, but if you roll a 2 with a -1, that rule doesn't apply. It's intuitive that a 1+ save should fail if you roll a 2 against AP2, because 2-2 = 0 < 1. But the issue is that, in 40k math, 2-2 isn't zero! According to the rules, a roll of 2 with a -2 modifier is counted as a 1. That isn't below the save stat, and it isn't an unmodified 1, so why would it fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Bit of a win-win then - new supplement means new stuff, no supplement means cheaper marines! Or an FAQ to bring the Crusader Squad cost into conformity with the rest of the SM units. I hope they planned it the way it is and meant to give us cheaper marines because with the point increase was going to be rough to include Crusade squads in a list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punchomatic Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Bit of a win-win then - new supplement means new stuff, no supplement means cheaper marines!Or an FAQ to bring the Crusader Squad cost into conformity with the rest of the SM units. I hope they planned it the way it is and meant to give us cheaper marines because with the point increase was going to be rough to include Crusade squads in a list. There’s no way they planned to give crusader squads a 2 points per model discount. Also. “Planned” and “Games Workshop”. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Valkenhayn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 If you have a 2+ save, a stormshield gives you a 1+ and a 4++. However, rolling a 1 on a saving throw always counts as a fail, and though you can not have a number modified to below 1, you calculate it, then increase to 1 in the math steps. There is no rule that says a roll of 1 always fails. That's precisely the issue. An UNMODIFIED 1 always fails, but if you roll a 2 with a -1, that rule doesn't apply. It's intuitive that a 1+ save should fail if you roll a 2 against AP2, because 2-2 = 0 < 1. But the issue is that, in 40k math, 2-2 isn't zero! According to the rules, a roll of 2 with a -2 modifier is counted as a 1. That isn't below the save stat, and it isn't an unmodified 1, so why would it fail? It's intuitive. The answer to your question is in your own statement. And if they want the math to work without changing the rule, they just need the storm shield to read 'add +1 to non-invulnerable saving throws.' But the intent is so obvious it hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I think the Crusader squad issue will be quickly addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJyo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I'm seeing an abnormal amount classic BT armies for sale on FB groups. With assault intercessors it seems some are throwing in the towel. I'm hoping we get a points cost leak for BT soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punchomatic Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Anyone selling Templar is a heretic who should be purged Brother Kraskor and Gendo 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I'm seeing an abnormal amount classic BT armies for sale on FB groups. With assault intercessors it seems some are throwing in the towel. I'm hoping we get a points cost leak for BT soon. Knee jerk reactions to an edition that they haven't played? Color me unsurprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Or maybe trying to make a quick buck for the new models. I'm not active in FB so dunno what's going on the groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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