CrystalSeer Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Brothers what do you think to MSU vs having larger units. Obviously buffs are more effective on big units. With two wounds per marine, do we need to run units of ten anymore? I find large squads work better with primaris as most of their abilities are cp based, whereas msu tends to work better with firstborn. Brother Kraskor 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I keep toying with the idea of a triple-Repulsor list. Or more specifically two Repulsors and one Executioner. Delivering 20 Assault Intercessors, 4 Bladeguard, Captain and Lieutenant (both sword & board). CrystalSeer 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 but how do you want to secure your objective markers if the whole army is whithin 3 vehicles. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 but how do you want to secure your objective markers if the whole army is whithin 3 vehicles. T1. Move up on objectives T2. Disembark, Imperator Vult, Tanks stay on objectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 but how you screen those units? How do you protect your vehicles from deepstriking units ? Danosborne and CastellanDeMolay 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Well, they have Grav Pulse so deep strikers will need to make an 11" charge which is quite tough. As for securing backfield objectives there's enough points left for ten Intercessors but then that's the whole 2k used up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 But Grav Impulse is just a stratagem. The last opponent I faced had 3x9 repentia and one vanguard veteran like melee squad. 2 in reserves and one charge is save. I could imagine it works better then it sounds, in tournament maybe if nobody expect such a list. Brother Kraskor and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Yes, could work but could also run into big trouble if opponent has, say, plenty of Eradicators. Two squads with minimal support easily means all tanks dead Turn 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Was in the bath and a thought came to me. Using non-flying infantry we can tag Flyers with Devout Push, even if we cannot then actually target them with attacks in the Fight Phase. In fact doing so would allow a unit to hide in combat, especially if you combo with Tenacious Assault when opponent tries to fall back. You could never kill it though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 RAW yes. thats true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Would it be at all useful? I guess if the enemy has a particularly dangerous flyer you could tag it with something cheap. But it does feel a bit gamey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJyo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 A bunch of crusaders gripping on to the bottom of an enemy aircraft and uselessly swinging at the hull sounds pretty funny to me. CrystalSeer, Brother Kraskor and CastellanDeMolay 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Would it be at all useful? I guess if the enemy has a particularly dangerous flyer you could tag it with something cheap. But it does feel a bit gamey! Do they still have the rule that a flyer that can't move minimum distance is destroyed? If so, that combo would be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 Not against flyer. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Ah Aircraft can make Normal Moves even when within Engagement Range. They don't have to Fall Back so you can't apply Tenacious Assault. So it doesn't really do anything except enhance the zeal of the battle-brothers throwing their helmets at the flyer. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Do Phobos weirdly make more sense for us. Pretty much guarantees Turn 1 charges unless your opponent deploys deep. And if they do deploy deep, they surrender the midboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) I think they always made sense in terms of gameplay. But in terms of style? Incursors and Infiltrators not that much (maybe if we get anothrer lore for this units,... for me it would make more sense that sword brethren do things like infiltrate...). The Invictor suits fit perfect to our Knights I think. What I really dislike, is the idea to field Phobos Marshals or Castellans. I think BT leader are more like Frontline Commanders, Killy Knights or Fighting Priests. (Helbrecht, EC or Grimaldus for example) Edited February 19, 2021 by Medjugorje Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I guess it depends how you think of them. Ruthless, bloodthirsty spec ops deep behind enemy lines - suddenly sounds a bit more like us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Maybe a castellan fit but I think a marshal not. But like you said,... the Crusade is eternal Edited February 19, 2021 by Medjugorje Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Maybe a forward wave, consisting of Phobos units, newer Initiates keen to prove themselves in combat. And a second wave, wiser and older, holding objectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 thats sounds more like the Astartes from Fenris. In 4th edition Sword Brethren had the ability to "infiltrate". So it should be the veterans who are in phobos armor. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urkh Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 thats sounds more like the Astartes from Fenris. In 4th edition Sword Brethren had the ability to "infiltrate". So it should be the veterans who are in phobos armor. So what you're saying is we should paint all of our phobos units as sword brethren? Would save a lot of time not having to paint white shoulder pads! Medjugorje 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 I quite like that idea! Thinking of adding a small Phobos contingent. Phobos Lieutenant, 10 Incursors and an Invictor, giving the Lt Master of Deceit so the entire formation can redeploy. A nasty little forward assault, could be fun painting them up as spec ops Sword Brethren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 thats sounds more like the Astartes from Fenris. In 4th edition Sword Brethren had the ability to "infiltrate". So it should be the veterans who are in phobos armor. So what you're saying is we should paint all of our phobos units as sword brethren? Would save a lot of time not having to paint white shoulder pads! I mean that sadly our lore is not worked out yet. We dont know if the Primaris units act similar to our codex counterparts or the structre is very different. (codex complient chapters put newbies into phobos armor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urkh Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 thats sounds more like the Astartes from Fenris. In 4th edition Sword Brethren had the ability to "infiltrate". So it should be the veterans who are in phobos armor. So what you're saying is we should paint all of our phobos units as sword brethren? Would save a lot of time not having to paint white shoulder pads! I mean that sadly our lore is not worked out yet. We dont know if the Primaris units act similar to our codex counterparts or the structre is very different.(codex complient chapters put newbies into phobos armor) Haha, sorry. I meant that as a joke, not as a serious question. Text doesn't come across well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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