Tiger9gamer Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) That makes sense for Heavy cover and Light cover, where were too busy being angry to take cover, but it doesn't make trees any less solid? "WHY HAVE FAITH IN A TREE TO PROTECT YOU NEOPHYTE?! THE FAITH IN THE EMPEROR IS THE ONLY COVER WE NEED! NOW GET THE HELL OUT FROM BEHIND THAT SHRUB AND FACE THAT THERMAL CANNON LIKE A TEMPLAR!" Edited November 24, 2021 by Tiger9gamer Marshal Mattias and CrystalSeer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5766973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Are you suggesting... that the Emperor does not protect? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5766974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Are you suggesting... that the Emperor does not protect? The trees taking the shots are just one of the many ways the Emperor works. Tiger9gamer, Maritn and BLACK BLΠFLY 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5766980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mattias Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I can't imagine trees blocking much of the terrifying weaponry of 40k, so I'm imaging rather they're just obscuring your precise location, meaning the enemy is kind of pot-shotting at you with a vague sense of where you are... ...unless you're a Templar, waving banners and marching forward bellowing loudly, refusing to duck or scamper, daring the enemy to try and strike you down when the Emperor himself protects you! They probably have a better chance of hitting us through the trees than against any other enemy :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) Interview with Templar player from Da Boyz GT: https://youtu.be/voEMzUYcIGI Interesting to note he likes the concept of the Judicar with Oathkeeper. Edited November 24, 2021 by Black Blow Fly Marshal Laeroth, Marshal Loss, Marshal Mattias and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 is it worth it to buy an impulsor by itself? or should I buy one of the many combat patrols instead? not that I have bladeguard or sword brothers atm, but I think it would be fun to have some time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I'm thinking the patrol box. Gets you an impulsor, crusade squad, and the upgrade sprue. Tiger9gamer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 is it worth it to buy an impulsor by itself? or should I buy one of the many combat patrols instead? not that I have bladeguard or sword brothers atm, but I think it would be fun to have some timeThe retail version don't include a multi-melta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 my problem with it is that I have not fully built towards primaris yet, and it doesn't have the stuff I would really need to make it work, like bladeguard or sword brothers, and I am not yet really built for an even larger crusader squad yet with support besides an apothecary Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) my problem with it is that I have not fully built towards primaris yet, and it doesn't have the stuff I would really need to make it work, like bladeguard or sword brothers, and I am not yet really built for an even larger crusader squad yet with support besides an apothecary Valid. The boxes are only a value if you're buying stuff anyway. I need everything but the Marshall so it makes sense for me. Edited November 26, 2021 by CrystalSeer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenerationTerrorist Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Well, I got the shiny new Helbrecht today. Gunna paint him up over the next week or so. I've also treated myself to a Primaris Techmarine, with the intention of making him MotF with Rites of War trait and Crusader Helm relic. He'll be running with my Helbrecht/Bladeguard/ChiefApoth/2*PlasmaRedemptor. With the Helm, he can give 6inch Obsec to Core (Bladeguard and Redemptors) as well as heal 3W a turn on either Dread from that 6inch disatance away. Helbrect gives the re-rolls of 1's to the overcharged Plasma, and full re-rolls to the Bladeguard when they get into combat. Bladeguard Sgt has Champion of the Feast and Icon of Heinmann. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Is it worth it to get two patrol boxes? I don't have any clue how useful two impulsors would be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Is it worth it to get two patrol boxes? I don't have any clue how useful two impulsors would be. I think its a fine box if you want to build an army around Crusader squads and Primaris Elite like Sword Brethren and/or Bladeguard or even Aggressors. The only thing thats kind of extra are the Intercessors but you can kitbash those into other units. caladancid 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urkh Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 As someone who hasn't really jumped on the primaris train yet, two boxes is what I am planning once the money comes in. caladancid 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmu Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 So in retrospect it turns out that the Redemptor in the army box was in fact a very Templar choice of unit. New-Templar, anyway. BLACK BLΠFLY, Tiger9gamer and Valdr Fell-fist 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I think 3 redemptors + 1 other vehicle(e.g. vol contemptor) is the minimum requirement of taking a tech marine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) Got tabled by death guard in a 1k game. So much I need to catch up on for IRL gaming (did you guys know objectives are just three inches wide?! Cause I bloody didn’t! ) and tactical changes. Turns out a venerable dread is rather squishy when facing down two plague crawlers, and I one should charge heroes first if you want to keep them together with their body guard. My captain and chaplain both failed their charge, and I had to devout push my apothecary to keep up with my company vets. I need to work with positioning, especially if I take a huge vanguard vet squad out of a land raider (for casual.) on the plus side, I made a death guard player balk at how durable my characters were with divine protection and invulnerable saves, and the champion of the feast with belthar’s fist managed to smack down a lord of contagion almost solo. Also… deathshroud terminators are no joke! Edited November 27, 2021 by Tiger9gamer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 I think 3 redemptors + 1 other vehicle(e.g. vol contemptor) is the minimum requirement of taking a tech marine. You might want to play Knights and they are on the menu again now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Got tabled by death guard in a 1k game. So much I need to catch up on for IRL gaming (did you guys know objectives are just three inches wide?! Cause I bloody didn’t! ) and tactical changes. Turns out a venerable dread is rather squishy when facing down two plague crawlers, and I one should charge heroes first if you want to keep them together with their body guard. My captain and chaplain both failed their charge, and I had to devout push my apothecary to keep up with my company vets. I need to work with positioning, especially if I take a huge vanguard vet squad out of a land raider (for casual.) on the plus side, I made a death guard player balk at how durable my characters were with divine protection and invulnerable saves, and the champion of the feast with belthar’s fist managed to smack down a lord of contagion almost solo. Also… deathshroud terminators are no joke! I think DG are a tough matchup since they are an in your face faction and get many bonuses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 In low points games like 1000pts, you must have enough units to do heavy lifting works. 300 pts characters buffing 400pts soldiers = defeat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) In low points games like 1000pts, you must have enough units to do heavy lifting works. 300 pts characters buffing 400pts soldiers = defeat. yea that is fair, and I am starting to see that now. To be fair though, the command squad is only 100 points, and the characters were supposed to make it into combat. too much old edition still in my mind. I am probably going to drop the apothecary when I am not running a major foot slogging list... Edited November 27, 2021 by Tiger9gamer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Apothecary with crusader helm is good to spread 6+++ around to infantry. However, grimaldus can do the same thing and comes with several other perks. Tiger9gamer, BLACK BLΠFLY and TheOneTrueZon 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5767796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) How does this look for a 1k list? Just magnetized my captain to have a relic blade and storm shield, and was thinking of taking this for a spin (and have a reason to finish my redemptor) ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Black Templars) [51 PL, 998pts, 3CP] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [6CP]: 2. Incursion (51-100 Total PL / 501-1000 Points)Chapter Selection: Black TemplarsDetachment Command Cost+ Stratagems +Strategem: Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics+ HQ +Captain [5 PL, 105pts, -1CP]: Master of Arms, Relic blade, Storm shield, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Adamantine mantlePrimaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, 140pts]: 1. Litany of Divine Protection, 2. Psalm of the Remorseless Persecution, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Litany of Hate, Warlord, Wise Orator+ Troops +Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]. 4x Assault Intercessor: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Power fistCrusader Squad [5 PL, 110pts]. 3x Initiate w/ Chainsword: 3x Astartes Chainsword, 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades. Initiate w/ Heavy or Melee Weapon: Power fist. Sword Brother: Bolt pistol, Power fistIntercessor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades. Intercessor Sergeant: Astartes Chainsword+ Elites +Company Veterans [9 PL, 123pts, -1CP]: Fist of Balthus. Company Veteran: Lightning Claw, Storm shield. Company Veteran: Lightning Claw, Storm shield. Company Veteran: Lightning Claw, Storm shield. Company Veteran Sergeant: Champion of the Feast, Power fist, Storm shieldRedemptor Dreadnought [9 PL, 185pts]: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught Gatling Cannon+ Fast Attack +Attack Bike Squad [2 PL, 50pts]. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter+ Dedicated Transport +Rhino [4 PL, 80pts]: Storm bolter++ Total: [51 PL, 3CP, 998pts] ++Created with BattleScribe Edited November 29, 2021 by Tiger9gamer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5768251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Apothecary with crusader helm is good to spread 6+++ around to infantry. However, grimaldus can do the same thing and comes with several other perks. True, however the apothecary is key to resurrecting/healing your relic holders, that just tanked a lot of damage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5768256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Do the vets have jump packs ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/90/#findComment-5768258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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