Prot Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Yea Tau have always been great marine killers but shutting down Dreads would put marines in a pretty desperate position. Judging from DE and AdMech this might stand as the most ridiculous shooting army we’re gonna see in ninth. Strap in! but I agree the inability to wound on 2s might actually be bigger than it usually is in most games. I think the no retreat on a 4+ Strat might be huge here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5777580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 The answer to railguns is armor saturation , Brother Humboldt may take a pretty rough hit , but Brothers Himedal and Hornady are going to still keep running toward the enemy ready to tear the railgun off the xenos vehicle. Tiger9gamer and Brother Kraskor 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5777591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) So, my FLGS is doing a slow-grow Crusade campaign, and I'll be bringing the Templars. The start is 25 PL, and I'm thinking of bringing this as my starter: Primaris Marshall (Power Axe, Auto-Flamer) - 5 PL Primaris Crusader Squad (Power Sword+HBP on Sword-Brother, 1 Pyreblaster, 1 Power Fist+Heavy Bolt Pistol, 3 Chainsword+HPB Initiates, 4 Chainsword+HPB Neophytes)- 10 PL Primaris Crusader Squad (Power Axe+HBP on Sword-Brother, 1 Pyreblaster, 1 Power Fist+Heavy Bolt Pistol, 3 Auto-Bolt Rifle Initiates, 4 Carbine Neophytes) - 10 PL Unsure if this is a good idea at all, but it's in the mindset of as much of a TAC basis as possible with only 25 PL. One of the players is bringing Orks and another is Craftworlds (and is a Wraith list....) Also: Please remember, this is for CRUSADE not WAAC Tournament nonsense. I'm not looking for the most broken list possible, I'm just wondering if I'm shooting myself in the foot even in a more casual setting by doing the mixing of Pyreblasters and Power Fists into the squads. Edited December 30, 2021 by Gederas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5777601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) So, my FLGS is doing a slow-grow Crusade campaign, and I'll be bringing the Templars. The start is 25 PL, and I'm thinking of bringing this as my starter: Primaris Marshall (Power Axe, Auto-Flamer) - 5 PL Primaris Crusader Squad (Power Sword+HBP on Sword-Brother, 1 Pyreblaster, 1 Power Fist+Heavy Bolt Pistol, 3 Chainsword+HPB Initiates, 4 Chainsword+HPB Neophytes)- 10 PL Primaris Crusader Squad (Power Axe+HBP on Sword-Brother, 1 Pyreblaster, 1 Power Fist+Heavy Bolt Pistol, 3 Auto-Bolt Rifle Initiates, 4 Carbine Neophytes) - 10 PL Unsure if this is a good idea at all, but it's in the mindset of as much of a TAC basis as possible with only 25 PL. One of the players is bringing Orks and another is Craftworlds (and is a Wraith list....) Also: Please remember, this is for CRUSADE not WAAC Tournament nonsense. I'm not looking for the most broken list possible, I'm just wondering if I'm shooting myself in the foot even in a more casual setting by doing the mixing of Pyreblasters and Power Fists into the squads. I think your intuition on mixing Pyreblasters and Powerfists is right! Go two Fists in the choppy squad and two Pyre in the shooty. Edit: Or even... maximum fluff points. Go with the Marshal and a 20-man Crusader squad, full choppy, 4 Powerfists! Edited December 30, 2021 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5777640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) So, my FLGS is doing a slow-grow Crusade campaign, and I'll be bringing the Templars. The start is 25 PL, and I'm thinking of bringing this as my starter: Primaris Marshall (Power Axe, Auto-Flamer) - 5 PL Primaris Crusader Squad (Power Sword+HBP on Sword-Brother, 1 Pyreblaster, 1 Power Fist+Heavy Bolt Pistol, 3 Chainsword+HPB Initiates, 4 Chainsword+HPB Neophytes)- 10 PL Primaris Crusader Squad (Power Axe+HBP on Sword-Brother, 1 Pyreblaster, 1 Power Fist+Heavy Bolt Pistol, 3 Auto-Bolt Rifle Initiates, 4 Carbine Neophytes) - 10 PL Unsure if this is a good idea at all, but it's in the mindset of as much of a TAC basis as possible with only 25 PL. One of the players is bringing Orks and another is Craftworlds (and is a Wraith list....) Also: Please remember, this is for CRUSADE not WAAC Tournament nonsense. I'm not looking for the most broken list possible, I'm just wondering if I'm shooting myself in the foot even in a more casual setting by doing the mixing of Pyreblasters and Power Fists into the squads. I think your intuition on mixing Pyreblasters and Powerfists is right! Go two Fists in the choppy squad and two Pyre in the shooty. Edit: Or even... maximum fluff points. Go with the Marshal and a 20-man Crusader squad, full choppy, 4 Powerfists! I contemplated the full melee (I even have a 20-man Crusader squad built with that loadout ) but was worried I might have issues dealing with any sort of ranged force in the first week or so, as it's increasing (iirc) 15 PL every week. So the Marshal and 20-man Crusader squad, full choppy, 4 Powerfists could faceroll if I get first turn on a small board, but I'm just trying to cover my bases Edited December 30, 2021 by Gederas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5777702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 It could faceroll... but then that's the joy of the Black Tide! What if you swapped the Marshal for a Chaplain with Divine Protection. He can keep the blob alive until you get into CC, and then swap out for Litany of Hate to provide even better re-rolls than the Marshal. A lot of lists won't have an answer to that blob. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5777719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJyo Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 My response to the "One and Done Shogun": Is that I run all infantry, so they are wasting their points. Oh no, another neophyte bites the dust. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5777851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofSigismund Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 My response to the "One and Done Shogun": Is that I run all infantry, so they are wasting their points. Oh no, another neophyte bites the dust. This, this was perfect. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5777964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I am only sad because I finally feel better from covid and was going to complete my all tank 2k list for a 40k ladder event board!The emperor works in mysterious ways, cause I guess I can focus on all my primaris crusaders... blech Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5777994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Running any all-anything lists runs the risk of being hard countered. Tiger9gamer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5778015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Running any all-anything lists runs the risk of being hard countered. well yea, but it is also thematic which is how I build almost every list. Basically, If almost everyone is riding a tank, I would want infantry units that can keep up like jet packers or bikes for characters. Just something that makes sense for me as I write lists, you know? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5778209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 https://www.goonhammer.com/the-2021-warhammer-40k-end-of-year-tier-list/ Thoughts？ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5778893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) https://www.goonhammer.com/the-2021-warhammer-40k-end-of-year-tier-list/ Thoughts？ Their data certainly seems to indicate that templars are good. It's the fact that the gimmick is just more survivability and better primary scoring with push and obsec strat. There's some skew with the crusader build, but on the whole it's just well rounded lists that can actually pound up the table, soak damage, and hit back. I do find it hard to put them in the same tier as a full iron hand or ork power build though. So I'd personally put it in the Medjugorje tier of "trash". But actually tier 2. Edited January 2, 2022 by SkimaskMohawk Khornestar and Tiger9gamer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5778914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Goonhammer I find to be quite reliable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5778930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 With Helbrecht and a Master of the Forge we can push Redemptors to S16 (and 5A base). Throw in Grimaldus and they've got a 6+++, and he can put down re-roll hits aura. Worth it? Or is there simply not enough T8 out there to warrant this kind of mutilation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I don’t think Helbrecht buffs vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 I don’t think Helbrecht buffs vehicles. but core... Dont know if its just Core Infantry or Core in generel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 It's only limited by core. You can buff dreads with it. Brother Kraskor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 It's only limited by core. You can buff dreads with it. Yep exactly, Core units includes Dreads. Do we have a use for S16 Dreads though is my question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) When a dread made a charge, the buffing heroes are probably left behind. And, no one really care about the difference of strength higher than 9. Edited January 3, 2022 by Tokugawa Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) I think I've just spotted something... Accept Any Challenge: +1A, but not cumulative with Shock Assault Honour Vehement: +1A, but not cumulative with Shock Assault But nothing stopping the two from being cumulative with each other! Imagine dual Claw termies with 6 attacks each, Deep strike in with a Chappy with Honour Vehement, he drops re-rolls to hit Litany. Edited January 3, 2022 by Brother Kraskor redmapa 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 CORE…… OMG !!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I'm more thinking about 7 Attack Redemptors if you throw in MoF...! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Theres two big problems with that combo. The first is giving up ancient breviary or tannhausers on a chaplain. The second is being stuck in combat with that vow. It's honestly probably better on a captain if you're not taking helbrecht; advance with the main bit of your army and potentially buff your brick and maybe a dread or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) Theres two big problems with that combo. The first is giving up ancient breviary or tannhausers on a chaplain. The second is being stuck in combat with that vow. It's honestly probably better on a captain if you're not taking helbrecht; advance with the main bit of your army and potentially buff your brick and maybe a dread or two. Yeah agreed not the most optimal holder of the relic, was just an example. The main thing I am getting at is we can buff a lot of units with +2A, and it works in every round of combat. Being stuck in combat with your combat units is a win to me! Edited January 4, 2022 by Brother Kraskor BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/97/#findComment-5779825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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