Berzul Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Ok, although I would have exzpected terminators to have fire discipline even more than regular marines, I gotta say, the update shows some promising stuff. Who would have thought Engulfing Fear could be a GOOD psychic power?! Fierce Bear 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCore67 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm wondering what exactly the reason was for Deathwing not getting Fire Discipline. Is it something else we haven't seen yet or is it strictly a balance decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I like that they changed the super doctrine. That seems really good already and they said it was 1 part of it! I wonder if we will get a super doctrine ability for each part: devastating, tactical and assault though that seems a little broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm wondering what exactly the reason was for Deathwing not getting Fire Discipline. Is it something else we haven't seen yet or is it strictly a balance decision? There are probably different benefits for different wings - Regular infantry "greenwing" is fire discipline Deathwing infantry is only woundable on 4+ Ravenwing is jink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCore67 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm wondering what exactly the reason was for Deathwing not getting Fire Discipline. Is it something else we haven't seen yet or is it strictly a balance decision?There are probably different benefits for different wings - Regular infantry "greenwing" is fire discipline Deathwing infantry is only woundable on 4+ Ravenwing is jink This is the super doctrine though. Ravenwing units still benefit from it. Jink and Inner Circle are just abilities that some units have, and are completely separate to the super doctrine, unless we find out that is changing later this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 It says there's a new doctrine ability 'Sons of the Lion', so my guess is that there is another part of that overarching ability that Deathwing will get. Something in assault doctrine would be pretty awesome. Loving the push more into melee, that's exactly how I have been wanting to play more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) I'm wondering what exactly the reason was for Deathwing not getting Fire Discipline. Is it something else we haven't seen yet or is it strictly a balance decision? There are probably different benefits for different wings - Regular infantry "greenwing" is fire discipline Deathwing infantry is only woundable on 4+ Ravenwing is jink This is the super doctrine though. Ravenwing units still benefit from it. Jink and Inner Circle are just abilities that some units have, and are completely separate to the super doctrine, unless we find out that is changing later this week. Rule says infantry only. Edited January 25, 2021 by Syphid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templarphoenix Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm wondering what exactly the reason was for Deathwing not getting Fire Discipline. Is it something else we haven't seen yet or is it strictly a balance decision?There are probably different benefits for different wings - Regular infantry "greenwing" is fire discipline Deathwing infantry is only woundable on 4+ Ravenwing is jink This is the super doctrine though. Ravenwing units still benefit from it. Jink and Inner Circle are just abilities that some units have, and are completely separate to the super doctrine, unless we find out that is changing later this week. And none of ravenwing units are infantry so fire discipline is useless for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The bottom says Fire Discipline is one part of a bigger doctrine ability, 'Sons of the Lion'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Raziel Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The Fire Discipline rule is definitely incentive to take Intercessors with assault bolters or Hellblasters with assault plasma incinerators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Aaaand...nada in the preview, other than they mentioned "Dark Angels" a few times, which means it will be in the next preview. Damn you COVID-19!!! Well, consider this: at least we didn't get any Paragon Warsuit! Seeing it reminded me of the scene from DEADPOOL where his friend is describing his face to him: "It looks like a giant-sized Sister of Battle...giving birth to a regular-sized Sister of Battle...out of the wrong end. I can see the head!" Berzul and Brother Ramael 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ramael Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Allright I am having visions of Aggressors of all kind blasting people away with their flamers/gauntlets in melee.... On top of that, while it's true that BS becomes 5, we still have +1 for being still so it's more like 4+ Edited January 25, 2021 by Brother Ramael Skywrath and Xenith 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Solitude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Line Unbreakable is a monster against horde armies. Being able to switch off half the incoming attacks from a large mob will be tasty. Then falling back next turn and shooting at them will be great. WrathOfTheLion 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templarphoenix Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Allright I am having visions of Aggressors of all kind blasting people away with their flamers/gauntlets in melee.... On top of that, while it's true that BS becomes 5, we still have +1 for being still so it's more like 4+ They have to survive the charge first... FarFromSam 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Looks like there is a hint in there that one of the interromancy powers will let us reroll to wound rolls - "The Mace of Redemption is particularly good for piling on the mortal wounds, especially if you have a Librarian on hand to help you re-roll wound rolls." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Solitude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Allright I am having visions of Aggressors of all kind blasting people away with their flamers/gauntlets in melee.... On top of that, while it's true that BS becomes 5, we still have +1 for being still so it's more like 4+ They have to survive the charge first... They're at T5 already, and then Line Unbreakable will soften the initial charge. Then you have the choice of either staying in combat and firing at them at BS5+, or falling back, spending 1CP and firing at them with full BS. Brother Ramael 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayJ Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 They're at T5 already, and then Line Unbreakable will soften the initial charge. Then you have the choice of either staying in combat and firing at them at BS5+, or falling back, spending 1CP and firing at them with full BS. Intractable is 2CP, but there are definitely times that will be a good combo. bigtrouble 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ramael Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Allright I am having visions of Aggressors of all kind blasting people away with their flamers/gauntlets in melee.... On top of that, while it's true that BS becomes 5, we still have +1 for being still so it's more like 4+ They have to survive the charge first... They're at T5 already, and then Line Unbreakable will soften the initial charge. Then you have the choice of either staying in combat and firing at them at BS5+, or falling back, spending 1CP and firing at them with full BS. I was mentioning them specifically since flamers autohit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 They're at T5 already, and then Line Unbreakable will soften the initial charge. Then you have the choice of either staying in combat and firing at them at BS5+, or falling back, spending 1CP and firing at them with full BS. Intractable is 2CP, but there are definitely times that will be a good combo. Like when you are charged by a mob of 20 hormagaunts or 20 ork boyz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtrouble Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Engulfing Fear: does it use the model's original Leadership to determine if it fails actions, or the -1 modified characteristic that it causes as part of the ability? I'm guessing the original leadership because of the sequence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Solitude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Engulfing Fear: does it use the model's original Leadership to determine if it fails actions, or the -1 modified characteristic that it causes as part of the ability? I'm guessing the original leadership because of the sequence? I had a similar question, certainly one to be clarified in an FAQ. My take is as follows: If the result of the Psychic test was equal to or greater... The use of the past tense here suggest that it is the original Leadership, as that is the one that is correct at the time that the Pyschic test is taken. G8Keeper 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G8Keeper Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm wondering what exactly the reason was for Deathwing not getting Fire Discipline. Is it something else we haven't seen yet or is it strictly a balance decision? This feels to me like a playtest change. I bet GW received feedback that with Fire Discipline as well as their other rules, DW were just too good. Very excited by these rules so far, they feel Dark Angely :P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ramael Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm wondering what exactly the reason was for Deathwing not getting Fire Discipline. Is it something else we haven't seen yet or is it strictly a balance decision? This feels to me like a playtest change. I bet GW received feedback that with Fire Discipline as well as their other rules, DW were just too good. Very excited by these rules so far, they feel Dark Angely . I believe they mention a "sons of the Lion" superdoctrine, which could mean Inner Circle for DW, Jink for RW and Fire Discipline for GW, giving each a role . Angel of Solitude and G8Keeper 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I don't think so, I think that it will have a different doctrine for each, and that Jink and Inner Circle will be separate abilities yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Solitude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Think Brother Ramael has the right of it - specific benefit for each of the three wings. Also, Fire Discipline for Deathwing would be horrendous. Already at 3 wounds base and with Transhuman Physiology means that they'll likely survive being charged, then hit back with some fervour, before being able to shoot at them with 4-shot Storm Bolters at -1 AP. Lovely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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