State of the Union (Heresy)

[m0nolith]

In regards to the scale creep, what happens in 40k affects 30k.

Primaris exist, and although I’m not a fan of them, they are absolutely better proportioned.

Contrary to a lot of naysayers I never believed that firstborn were getting squatted in 40k as there is a market demand for them to be continued, but to do so they need to look aesthetically appealing next to Primaris, and increasing their size goes a long way to helping them look better proportioned.

 

That’s the reality we have to contend with in 30k. Because of decisions made for 40k, 30k will be affected, and frankly given how great the new stuff looks, I’m ok with that.

[Gederas]

As others have said, Scale Creep doesn't bother me.Trust me, if it did, I wouldn't have gotten a NIB Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero for my Dark Angels :lol:

 

Ive been a mod here for like at least 6 years now lol and the only editing I did was merging posts to cut back on the double posting lmao.

I think that shows more of how good of a mod you are that you don't have to wave the stick around that people forget you're a mod at times.


 

[WrathOfTheLion]

Scale creep doesn't bother me. The newer, larger models look better. GW is obviously going to increase the scale and change from the ball joint at the waist to a more dynamic looking, but fixed posing there, there's no point in dwelling on it too much.

 

I am wondering whether they will update some of the 40k kits to make both 30k and 40k variants. For example, if one were to update the drop pod kit, making it contain both a storm bolter and a twin linked bolter would be trivial to cover both bases. So I'm interested what they do with some of that.

Edited July 22, 2021 by WrathOfTheLion

[Cris R]

Scale creep doesn't bother me. The newer, larger models look better. GW is obviously going to increase the scale and change from the ball joint at the waist to a more dynamic looking, but fixed posing there, there's no point in dwelling on it too much.

 

I am wondering whether they will update some of the 40k kits to make both 30k and 40k variants. For example, if one were to update the drop pod kit, making it contain both a storm bolter and a twin linked bolter would be trivial to cover both bases. So I'm interested what they do with some of that.

One thing that would drive this idea would be transitioning to the initial stages of the Great Scouring as the next era Specialist Games would want to visit in the Space Marine Legion era.

 

On that point, the Old World article on Warhammer Community caught my interest because it explores an earlier era of WFB instead of just reverting back to where things where before AoS. Obviously Specialist Games is not done with the Heresy for 30k but it shows they could move forward in time to the Great Scouring or mine the Great Crusade for new settings like the Rangdan Xenocides or the Ullanor Campaign. So I think the effort to explore new periods in WFB portends well for the future of the Heresy as well.

 

The other thing that was interesting about that article was their willingness to edition hunt to get the best ideas for the Old World. I don't expect the Specialist team to overhaul the Heresy in the same way if a new edition comes out but it's good to see that division of GW willing to look to the past and present for good ideas to strengthen a game system.

Edited July 22, 2021 by Cris R

[sarabando]

The rumour from iirc valrak said that the plan is to make 30k into an age of darkness franchise covering stuff from the great crusade to the scouring (which I'd love because I want to do 30k crimson fists)

[Pacific81]

 

With all the talk of scale creep, does anybody know when it began? I know the dark angels legion units are in the new size and I’m assuming the night lords are the same too. What about the blood angels and the white scars?

I know you are asking specifically about Heresy, but if you’ll allow me deliberately to twist your question, scale creep has always been with us since the birth of 40k. Just look at the RTB sets of marines, terminators or orks. This is the nagging issue I have with scale creep, the designers seem to think bigger is better, but I’d prefer a game that fits on a smaller table.

 

I once saw, perhaps on this board, a guy who had converted/sculpted a Blood Angels army in 15mm scale and it was awesome. That was way beyond my skill, but maybe with 3d printing I could think about that now.

 

 

I was going to suggest Epic, but even that has crept up in scale! Some of the current STLs and other miniatures from small garage casters are much bigger than the classic minis (those first edition Epic mk6 space marines really are tiny when you look at them now!)

 

PS - Check out Vanguard Miniatures for 15mm scale 'not marines'. I agree, in some ways its probably the ideal scale for the game-type that modern 40k has become (certainly for the miniature volumes, you have less of a feeling of everything being comically squeezed into a tabletop).

[sarabando]

15mm is ideal for the game GW what you to play, 32mm scale is just too big imo for anything above 1 or 1.5k points

[Valkyrion]

15mm is ideal for the game GW what you to play, 32mm scale is just too big imo for anything above 1 or 1.5k points

 

I tend to agree now. I didn't used to think that but I genuinely find new 40k (as in, 8th onwards) too memory centric and I lose interest once I realise I've forgotten to roll for this that or the other.

7th ed and earlier, including HH, is simpler for me because the basic premise is the same as it was in 1994 and whilst it is heavy on USR you don't have to remember to change your doctrine or find a stratagem or other potentially game changing rules, even tracking wounds -  I find it easy to forget whether the dice next to my captain is wounds suffered or wounds remaining!

[LameBeard]

I was going to suggest Epic, but even that has crept up in scale! Some of the current STLs and other miniatures from small garage casters are much bigger than the classic minis (those first edition Epic mk6 space marines really are tiny when you look at them now!)

 

PS - Check out Vanguard Miniatures for 15mm scale 'not marines'. I agree, in some ways its probably the ideal scale for the game-type that modern 40k has become (certainly for the miniature volumes, you have less of a feeling of everything being comically squeezed into a tabletop).

Now the epic scale creep is the scale creep I like! Tending from 6mm to 8mm you can do a lot more in terms of poses and painting, and would fit with new Titanicus. I really woke up to “pocket 40k” too late and epic was pretty much discontinued, but again, 3D printing or alternatives may be the way. I have enough epic bits to make my first edition space hulk in 6mm but that took years of scouring eBay before finding sensible price epic genestealers.

 

I’ve been tempted by Vanguard for a while - it’s about having to buy 2 factions at once. But they have nice not-Kreig and not-Orks, so maybe I’d run the new Kill Team on a diddy little board!

[m0nolith]

I’ll say this tho, even though I’m for the scale creep, until I know to what extent this is going to take place, I’m not going to buy or work on any more Astartes.

Looks like it’s the perfect time to start working on some Custodes!
No matter how much bigger Legionaries get, the ten thousand will always be the chonkiest!

in stock.

Edited July 23, 2021 by m0nolith

[Noserenda]

Or their much cool teammates the Sisters of Silence ;) 

Our group has been flirting around with Epic scaled stuff for a while now given how Titanicus focused we have been, to the extent of semi planning printing out companies of each legion to model/paint throughout the group as a project. 

Means you can build armies a lot (LOT) cheaper and brings projects like my Scars, Blood angels or Alpha Legion armour back to life after having to sell chunks or all of them. The planning is already done! :D 

Like, i cant lie, i was pretty disappointed about Old World not being epic scaled, even with 2+ square based armies lying around in dusty boxes

[SkimaskMohawk]

Just thought it'd be funny to point out that LOTR got another faq today, after getting one on the 2 year anniversary of core rule faq for 30k and we're still kind of left in limbo. The crusade faq was better than nothing, but it was very narrow to only the dark Angels and it didn't really capture everything either; we still need a malevolence deep dive to fix the balance issues with daemons and the mechanical breakdowns the scars get to suffer.

[Valkyrion]

I doubt there'll be a FAQ if a new edition is around the corner. I don't know if it will be a new edition by 40k definitions, or 7.5.5 update, or even if there will be any reboot/update at all, just that if there is then there won't be a FAQ, I wouldn't have thought. 

[Noserenda]

Id hope the new edition comes with a bunch of FAQs to keep things running smoothly, might explain the total lack of effort from FW if it had been delayed for a year as rumoured, Inferno clearly needs some more faq attention as shown in the rules forum just now :D 

[WrathOfTheLion]

I'd expect as well that they aren't going to spend much effort making FAQs right now if a new edition is coming out.

 

A delay of about a year sounds right to me, could see after Crusade that something significantly derailed release rate, where they were trying to really stretch what they had out.

[SkimaskMohawk]

As always, communication is usually preferred to complete silence. Necromunda has had roadmaps for a while; if the intention is to overhaul the rules, then even something like "hey guys, we know there hasn't been a faq in a while, but you haven't been forgotten and we have some big rules content planned in the near future (covid permitting)"

[Marshal Vespasian]

I think the main problem is that GW has decided to just sit out the leaks.

Something like 'major changes are coming to the age of darkness, but dont worry your legions will stay valid and artillery will still scatter' as a line in a legion dispatch with a graphic of a box and rulebook with questionmarks in them would have been enough to smooth over a ton of discontent.

[m0nolith]

 

Like, i cant lie, i was pretty disappointed about Old World not being epic scaled, even with 2+ square based armies lying around in dusty boxes

 

As it is, there's a ton of people who are screaming for a 28mm return to fantasy, and they're going to get exactly that, but hey if its successful we may see a return to Warmaster one day.

 

I do think though that we're probably going to see a epic scale heresy one day. The fact that the item coding thing ended up being true really is interesting, especially given that the new AT stuff shares the same code as Epic Armageddon from back in the day.

[armarnis]

Do you guys think we will see localized versions of the rules when they drop?

[MichaelCarmine]

Do you guys think we will see localized versions of the rules when they drop?

 

What do you mean by "localized version"?

'Cause the litteral meaning implies, that there's another language and rules variation based on the territory, that you are asking for. =] 

If that is your question - why would they?

 

I think, you just mean different language?

Then i would say yes! ^^

 

Michael

[armarnis]

Yeah of course i mean translations. In germany we have big parts in wargaming groups that are unwilling to / cant read english fluently enough to dip into more niche aspects and stick to the main systems. So i was wondering if people here think gw will spent the money to get translations out

[MichaelCarmine]

Since this will come directly from GW and not ForgeWorld - it definately will have translations for all the territorys! =]

[sarabando]

Yeah of course i mean translations. In germany we have big parts in wargaming groups that are unwilling to / cant read english fluently enough to dip into more niche aspects and stick to the main systems. So i was wondering if people here think gw will spent the money to get translations out

That goes both ways the German version of shadowrun had a much simpler character creation system and from all sources a much better one than the English version XD pity my German is only good enough to order a Donner

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

I think the main problem is that GW has decided to just sit out the leaks.

Something like 'major changes are coming to the age of darkness, but dont worry your legions will stay valid and artillery will still scatter' as a line in a legion dispatch with a graphic of a box and rulebook with questionmarks in them would have been enough to smooth over a ton of discontent.

If a new edition doesn't let me fuse my terminators to the walls of each and every new table, I will either house rule it or just use the old rules

 

All my homies love it when my terminators melt with the terrain in a catastrophic teleportation maneuver resulting in agonizing death.

[Marshal Vespasian]

Cause thats funny as all hell