State of the Union (Heresy)

[WrathOfTheLion]

My guess is we'll get a series of warzone books, of which the content from book 10 will be parceled up amongst.

 

I'm a bit torn on that. I love the black books, but if changing format means they can actually get stuff out more than once every 18-24 months, then that's a better way to go at this point.

[MCC]

I think they'll ignore the battles/lore from the old black books and re tell them all. This enables them to update rule for the armies involved in the battles and means they can then sell new plastic kit variants specific to the legion/time period. The rumours say they'll be releasing plastic kits for armour mk's 2 - 6 so they'll want battles that best represent them. 

[Marshal Loss]

I think they'll ignore the battles/lore from the old black books and re tell them all.

 

Ignore probably isn't the right word, but I could definitely see them taking e.g. Betrayal and condensing it alongside new rules into a shorter supplement.

 

Wondering when they'll start dropping hints if it's coming this year: maybe after the KT preorder window is done they'll announce another online preview. They prefer to preview things 3 months in advance of release, so we should start seeing something soon.

[Noserenda]

Good point actually, id have expected to see something already if it was Due for October, we are kinda due a weekend preview sometime soon though which im hoping will break the ice formally. 

[sarabando]

well we are due for a legion dispatch this Friday so we could get something then.

[MegaVolt87]

well we are due for a legion dispatch this Friday so we could get something then.

 

Hopefully its a preview of the SoH praetor in termi armour since we already have the power armoured one. 

[bushman101]

 

well we are due for a legion dispatch this Friday so we could get something then.

 

Hopefully its a preview of the SoH praetor in termi armour since we already have the power armoured one. 

 

I'm hoping for a bit more than that.

I feel like we need a decent preview this month if a October HH box release is to hold true

[MegaVolt87]

 

 

well we are due for a legion dispatch this Friday so we could get something then.

 

Hopefully its a preview of the SoH praetor in termi armour since we already have the power armoured one. 

 

I'm hoping for a bit more than that.

I feel like we need a decent preview this month if a October HH box release is to hold true

 

 

To be fair, it would be peak GW to do a simple dispatch then hot drop the big HH on us in Oct. Still want to see that SoH termi praetor though. 

Edited August 18, 2021 by MegaVolt87

[Noserenda]

Typically the dispatch style series tend to show off individual models and new expansions/editions get previews, ofc its all a bit chaotic right now.

[Taliesin]

My guess is we'll get a series of warzone books, of which the content from book 10 will be parceled up amongst.

 

I'm a bit torn on that. I love the black books, but if changing format means they can actually get stuff out more than once every 18-24 months, then that's a better way to go at this point.

 

I guess if they really did end up cancelling the Black Books, which I hope they dont, I hope they release book 10 and then move on to smaller supplements afterwards.

Like you I do agree that if the smaller format allows them to actually release stuff then perhaps that should be a way forward, but I'd rather that not be necessary and them just put a Black Book out every year. But we just have zero info, if the rumors about the box set are true then perhaps the stuff about Black Books suddenly being cancelled is also true. And then we might get that Dark Mechanicum fluff not in book 8, not in book 9, but sometime in ......... yeah.

[Cris R]

 

My guess is we'll get a series of warzone books, of which the content from book 10 will be parceled up amongst.

 

I'm a bit torn on that. I love the black books, but if changing format means they can actually get stuff out more than once every 18-24 months, then that's a better way to go at this point.

 

I guess if they really did end up cancelling the Black Books, which I hope they dont, I hope they release book 10 and then move on to smaller supplements afterwards.

Like you I do agree that if the smaller format allows them to actually release stuff then perhaps that should be a way forward, but I'd rather that not be necessary and them just put a Black Book out every year. But we just have zero info, if the rumors about the box set are true then perhaps the stuff about Black Books suddenly being cancelled is also true. And then we might get that Dark Mechanicum fluff not in book 8, not in book 9, but sometime in ......... yeah.

 

We all know fluff is important in 30k, but I think getting rules out for Dark Mechanicum in one of the potential new red book releases is a priority. We don't want a situation like 9th where factions are just waiting around for codices to drop so they can get updated rules. Fluff is nice to help put together a themed army. Rules are essential to play the game on equal footing with everyone else.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Cris R

[Taliesin]

Over in News and Rumors there is this big rumors thread:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371339-rumoursleaks-from-tg/

 

The guy in it says " November"  for Heresy. 

[MegaVolt87]

Nov doesn't make much sense as BT are in Nov I believe. I don't see HH being in the same month as a major 40k release. October is relatively empty ?

[Noserenda]

Specialist games just get tossed in wherever, i severely doubt they are going to reserve a whole month for one with so much else going on. Either way i doubt its going to impact 40k. Afaik we are still looking at the box, assecories and maybe a couple of kits with everything else coming down the line which can easily pop out in a single one or two week pre-order, much like Kill team, albeit slightly larger.

[Marshal Loss]

If rumours are to be believed, the Black Templar launch box is being released in September, the same month as the main Ork release. If that's true, I don't think it's hard to believe that they'd consider launching the HH box in the same month as the main BT release, especially if they do effectively run the BT launch box as made-to-order.

 

November is still the most likely date for the HH box if it is being released this year. They have a history of doing boxes of that kind in November, and December is traditionally reserved for battle boxes/relatively minor releases like standalone codexes, etc. Anything sooner than November is too soon for them to ramp up anticipation.

[MegaVolt87]

Still would be surprised with Nov as the BT supplement will probably be accompanied by stand alone BT kits. While I usually don't believe in GW products competing and robbing each other of sales, BT and HH reboot in the same month is an exception IMO. My wallet is ready, but I am sure many cannot claim the same. Edited August 19, 2021 by MegaVolt87

[Eternal Despair]

It could also be up for pre order late in October with the actual release being early November, especially if this ends up being a 2 week pre order. With that said I'm not wholly convinced on the authenticity of the rumour. Additionally I believe Valrak said his source said October for the heresy box-set as well but I may be mis-remembering. 

[Marshal Vespasian]

I dunno October is a bit soon for something we havent heard one word of isnt it? How long was the lead time for the KT realease?

Anywhomst I am kinda thirsty for a legion dispatch

[Eternal Despair]

From the launch trailer to pre order for kill team was 5 or 6 weeks from memory, if they go for a late October pre order with a November release date and follow a similar timeline we should see an official acknowledgement in the form of an article or trailer (whether this is the legion dispatch or not who knows) we should see something around mid September fingers crossed 

[Loquille]

With Events returning to Warhammer World we get a mention 

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/19/grab-your-calendar-events-are-returning-to-warhammer-world/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=Twitter&utm_term=EventsAreBack19082021&utm_content=EventsAreBack19082021&fbclid=IwAR2HhnHS7m84m5fAv1Z5qK4VoNqULtlxfj7evVU7d0oQnXJhEF2_MAvO2mk

 

With a two day Matched Play event. 

 

Not sure if they've referred to matched play as such for the Heresy? 

[m0nolith]

Boo to matched pay.

Narrative > competitive. 
That being said, yay for Heresy getting some attention like this!

[SkimaskMohawk]

Boo to matched pay.

Narrative > competitive.

That being said, yay for Heresy getting some attention like this!

The worst events I've played in have been narrative unfortunately. I've played in some lame tournaments, but nothing tops waiting 2 hours past the start time for the organizer to show up with the terrain, which is when we got the mission package, which then got changed mid event to be even more punitive towards traitors, had another big delay and ya....

 

Tournaments might skew too hard towards power builds, but at least everyone knows what they're getting into.

[Bung]

 

Boo to matched pay.

Narrative > competitive.

That being said, yay for Heresy getting some attention like this!

The worst events I've played in have been narrative unfortunately. I've played in some lame tournaments, but nothing tops waiting 2 hours past the start time for the organizer to show up with the terrain, which is when we got the mission package, which then got changed mid event to be even more punitive towards traitors, had another big delay and ya....

 

Tournaments might skew too hard towards power builds, but at least everyone knows what they're getting into.

 

 

Thats about your event organizer.

Personly i loathe tourney and matched play since 4th Edition.

Playing against nearly the same (Chaos 2 lashprinces +9 Kyborgs) list 4 times in a row sucked all fun to play out of matched games in stores etc.

[Brofist]

For sure. There's something to be said about managing expectations.

 

For me, each year I walk the halls at LVO and look at the 40k tournament. Each time I'm glad I'm not part of that community.

[SkimaskMohawk]

 

 

 

Boo to matched pay.

Narrative > competitive.

That being said, yay for Heresy getting some attention like this!

The worst events I've played in have been narrative unfortunately. I've played in some lame tournaments, but nothing tops waiting 2 hours past the start time for the organizer to show up with the terrain, which is when we got the mission package, which then got changed mid event to be even more punitive towards traitors, had another big delay and ya....

 

Tournaments might skew too hard towards power builds, but at least everyone knows what they're getting into.

Thats about your event organizer.

Personly i loathe tourney and matched play since 4th Edition.

Playing against nearly the same (Chaos 2 lashprinces +9 Kyborgs) list 4 times in a row sucked all fun to play out of matched games in stores etc.

I guess my point was more that you have a much better idea of what you're getting into for a tournament since the culture of information and competition is there; the point is to win. What's the point of a campaign; to guarantee games in a week/month? Give motivation to slowly grow forces? To win it? I've seen a number of campaigns where everyone values something different and it lead to some expectations being let down, especially towards the end where some lists are just assembled far better than others.

 

In other experiences there's been a lot of a laissez-faire attitude when potential imbalances are called out with list building restrictions, or mission ideas, or campaign bonuses; like just because its narrative you can have imbalance or broken stuff and if players take advantage they should feel bad and be shamed because its narrative.

 

In tournaments the missions or terrain can suck, but you know it's going to be a competition from the start. Narrative stuff is more of a gamble because everything is more on being a good sport.

Edited August 19, 2021 by SkimaskMohawk