Noserenda Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 The Various Chaos Cult troops favouring specific Mk's of armour is ooooold stuff, going back to the very first four Cult marine models and Jes Goodwins notes in Rogue trader and is closely intertwined with the development of Power armour in general. Its a little hidden by most cult marine having fancy helmets but its there. Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwrath121 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) The last few black books have already given Mk6 to the Scars, Dark Angels, and Night Lords in various numbers, so it seems they've been opening the door in recent years for more common Mk6 by the end of the Heresy anyway. Of course whether this is tied into the plastic Mk6 all along is another matter for debate! Edited October 12, 2021 by Darkwrath121 Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Broadening the use of the various Mk's makes a lot of sense in general, when the original article on them was written they were a handful of alternate sculpt models for variety or in the case of mk6, also the older range suffering from scale creep. They thought at best people would make units at most, not whole armies :) The article did highlight an oddity though, Horus kinda expected the White Scars to join him, whilst the Night Lords were pretty much entirely renegade in the last few years of the crusade, It feels odd that one got mk4 priority and not the other, though as the article is written in universe it could just be the writer does not know, and i would expect the Night lords got lots of Mk4 on Istvaan anyway. Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) Having re-read it today, the Mk3 bit mentions it being used by the Death Guard and their future Plauge Marines and the MkIV not being used by the Thousand Sons as much until Mid-Late war and would continue to appear on their oddity of the Rubics. So yeah, I think they are laying the seeds for the future cult troops and will probably do the armour marks for the Heresy first (if rumours are to be believed Mk2/5 will be coming after the box drops). @Noserenda: I agree, I've read a few bits online lately (mainly due to the Atramentar geting Tartaros) that the Night Lords shouldn't have been supplied as well as the more 'sane' traitors because they were a broken tool by the end of the crusade and, as you say, all but renegade in name. Edited October 12, 2021 by No Foes Remain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 @Noserenda: I agree, I've read a few bits online lately (mainly due to the Atramentar geting Tartaros) that the Night Lords shouldn't have been supplied as well as the more 'sane' traitors because they were a broken tool by the end of the crusade and, as you say, all but renegade in name. There’s always the five-flensing claw discount when they run into resupply fleets for other legions (which is basically what the White Scars were doing before Scars). Aeternus 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 @Noserenda: I agree, I've read a few bits online lately (mainly due to the Atramentar geting Tartaros) that the Night Lords shouldn't have been supplied as well as the more 'sane' traitors because they were a broken tool by the end of the crusade and, as you say, all but renegade in name. Thing to remember there was that Mk IV started showing up about 40 years before the Heresy broke which was about the time that Lorgar was leaning to the dark side based on First Heretic. Given we now have the known means of how a Legion was resupplied at the end of a campaign via Forge World Imprints it's likely that they could have been fully stocked up and using it for a number of decades before it all kicked off. Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarvis Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Thanks for posting that, NFR. Last paragraph mentions that Mark VI would end up being associated with the Emperor’s Children and that “have been observed to field troops who are evidently the descendents of the dread Kacophoni. […] appear to favour a heavily debased and corrupted variant of Corvus armor[…].” Well hello there You know, thinking on this I thought of the current forge world kakaphonii minis and the dude with the hose coming out from the front of his helmet, could that be the converted/warped mk6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) My guess is that tidbit might be foreshadowing more towards some eventual 40k Noise Marine update or sonic heavy squad favoring MK VI Corvus armour, not necessarily anything 30k. If they were talking about 30k, they would just say that they are Kakophoni, not 'evidently the descendants of...'. Edited October 13, 2021 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarvis Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Ah alright, that makes sense. I’d post the specific marine I’m referring to here but I don’t quite know how to upload images yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) Regarding 30k era Kakophoni, they wear modified Mark IV: Variant power armour, unknown designation, unknown modifications, principal 'Maximus' pattern progenitor indicated. The Mark VI reference is an effort to link back to Jes Goodwin's original sketch & sculpt for the EC: You can even see that the 2018 Noise Marine has elements of Mark VI in his suit. I doubt we'll see any Mark VI units for EC made by FW, but it seems very likely that it'll be the armour of choice when they eventually get around to a proper 40k release. Edited October 13, 2021 by Marshal Loss 1ncarnadine, WrathOfTheLion, Astartes Consul and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Exactly as Marshall Loss says, there are similar sketches for all 4 cult legions and thats where they got the preferred armour from, its not laying the ground work, its treading it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 If anyone has those sketches you should post em! Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 As i recall they are in the Jes Goodwin sketchbook the Gothic and the Eldritch, mine is stashed away somewhere unfortunately or id do some photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 If anyone has those sketches you should post em! There are a lot of them, but here are the ones that formed the foundation for the aesthetic of the other three cult legions: There are quite a few floating around for World Eaters as well (e.g. the sketch that was the inspiration for Lheor in the Black Legion series). Noserenda, Doghouse and Brofist 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 They did make them into models. Noserenda 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Whoa, whats Imperial Pattern Armor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Whoa, whats Imperial Pattern Armor http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/gallery/image/306146-spacem/ Marshal Rohr 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Here's another picture, it's basically the old C100 marines. Marshal Rohr 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Spicy. Love that little call back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Given it's the 35th Anniversary next year they'd make for a fun box set, if anything. WrathOfTheLion, Hungry Nostraman Lizard, Petitioner's City and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman101 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Whoa, whats Imperial Pattern Armor http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/gallery/image/306146-spacem/ Off tangent, does that gun exist within HH (I think it's a Disintegration Gun)? If I recall correctly, I don't think that gun has been made since the Imperial Space Marine was released. Augusta_Vespa 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Its unique to the Imperial marine afaik Brother Sutek 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Given it's the 35th Anniversary next year they'd make for a fun box set, if anything. Good point! Maybe it always was going to 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augusta_Vespa Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) Whoa, whats Imperial Pattern Armor http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/gallery/image/306146-spacem/ Off tangent, does that gun exist within HH (I think it's a Disintegration Gun)?If I recall correctly, I don't think that gun has been made since the Imperial Space Marine was released. Not yet :) Edited October 14, 2021 by Augusta_Vespa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Whoa, whats Imperial Pattern Armor http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/gallery/image/306146-spacem/ Off tangent, does that gun exist within HH (I think it's a Disintegration Gun)? If I recall correctly, I don't think that gun has been made since the Imperial Space Marine was released. Is it supposed to be the same thing the Sagitarum Guard have? Combination bolter and disintegration ray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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