darkhorse0607 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Interesting that they didn't do any massive reveals, or some kind of shows as they normally do for the New Year. I wonder if that indicates that we will be waiting until at least February for anything else Heresy Asbestress 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Was there a legion dispatch in december? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse0607 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Was there a legion dispatch in december? No, just the Black Library Celebration models Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostwanted Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I really thought we would have heard something official about Heresy 2 by now. The suspense is getting to much, haha! Asbestress 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 They're really slow burning that. We're a year and a half at this point since Crusade came out, so I figure it can't be too long until we start hearing something with that kind of time since the last Black Book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris R Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) They're really slow burning that. We're a year and a half at this point since Crusade came out, so I figure it can't be too long until we start hearing something with that kind of time since the last Black Book. Is LVO going to have a Warhammer preview event? I know Adepticon could be a likely candidate for a big reveal but that would definitely be pushing the release date later into the year. Edited January 4, 2022 by Cris R Asbestress 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Well rumours said March-ish for the delayed release and it seems they are currently a month of so behind intended releases roughly, so we might expect sneak peeks around the end of the month? Roughly? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I really thought we would have heard something official about Heresy 2 by now. The suspense is getting to much, haha!Well, you heared from me that that was just a made up rumor. Or in other words: I told you so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I am pretty confident that its a thing and its coming. But thats all I'll ever say on the topic. Hungry Nostraman Lizard, Sarvis and Asbestress 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I hope there will be dispatch this week. But with new Eldar and Chaos underway I doubt it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) I am pretty confident that its a thing and its coming. But thats all I'll ever say on the topic.Most definitely but I wouldn't hold my breath. At some point in the future it will happen, though. Edited January 4, 2022 by Gorgoff darkhorse0607 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I am pretty confident that its a thing and its coming. But thats all I'll ever say on the topic.Most definitely but I wouldn't hold my breath. At some point in the future it will happen, though. From what I know, sooner rather than later. Asbestress 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I am pretty confident that its a thing and its coming. But thats all I'll ever say on the topic.Most definitely but I wouldn't hold my breath. At some point in the future it will happen, though. From what I know, sooner rather than later.I hope you are right.And at the same time I fear change. With the dumpsterfire with where the last books I think it is possible for FW to really :cuss this up and hence ruin the game for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 All fearing change will do when it is going to inevitably happen is blind you to the potential good because of human disposition to look for the bad and focus on it when in a negative mindset. If change happens, it happens and take it for what it is. Even current 30k, hell, before that when it was at its peak, wasn't perfect we just look back on pre-Inferno times (imho the point where the shift happened) with rose tinted glasses. After all, I doubt we'll be going back to peak 30k with Sniper Vets being the core of pretty much every army alongside a Leviathan in a Dreadnought Drop Pod that he wasnt forced out of granting him 3ish extra shrouded AV12 hullpoints. Sarvis, Doctor Perils, Dosjetka and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 All fearing change will do when it is going to inevitably happen is blind you to the potential good because of human disposition to look for the bad and focus on it when in a negative mindset. If change happens, it happens and take it for what it is. Even current 30k, hell, before that when it was at its peak, wasn't perfect we just look back on pre-Inferno times (imho the point where the shift happened) with rose tinted glasses. After all, I doubt we'll be going back to peak 30k with Sniper Vets being the core of pretty much every army alongside a Leviathan in a Dreadnought Drop Pod that he wasnt forced out of granting him 3ish extra shrouded AV12 hullpoints. For me it isn't about power creep, though. Instead it is about the core game mechanics. FW has shown in the last books that they don't know how the game actual works and that is a huge issue if you re-write the rules. It could mean that they dumb it down like 40k because they think it is too complicated which I would most definitely not like or they try to improve the rule crashing the whole thing like GW did in 6th edition. It was unplayable without the errata which they wrote hastily after release of the rules. That's the two biggest concerns I have. In addition to that there is always the possibility that they change special rules without having the impact in mind that could have. A good but more or less harmless example is the Heavy rule for vehicles. I am 100% sure that the rule mongers at FW think that a heavy vehicle ignores the ordinance penalties because in earlier editions it was the case. I assume that things like that could happen. It is not a must though. Maybe the do right and improve the game. We will see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I would think it's sooner than later. I think it's incorrect to think that things will continue as they were, for the simple fact that they have already stopped doing so. It has been a year and a half since the release of the last black book, with no future one in sight or announced, which is pretty unprecedented. Asbestress 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I would think it's sooner than later. I think it's incorrect to think that things will continue as they were, for the simple fact that they have already stopped doing so. It has been a year and a half since the release of the last black book, with no future one in sight or announced, which is pretty unprecedented.We didn't have a global pendamic before either and that :cuss killed every schedule they had. In addition to that we had the incident where one ship blocked the passage between the oceans which threw off time tables all over the world. Sarvis 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augusta_Vespa Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Thoughts on the latest rumour mill dump on that steaming pile Faeit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Thoughts on the latest rumour mill dump on that steaming pile Faeit?There is something new? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augusta_Vespa Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Yeah, incorrectly labelled as 40k, Id rather not link to it but pasted from there: I've heard the below from a trusted source about some changes in the core rule book which has gone to print: Latest round Core rulebook has been done All Legion rules are being redone, loyalists revised first, traitors coming later Night fighting will have a major effect like 3rd ed shortened ranges Psychic phase removed and rolled into other phases Multiple weapons profiles have been "fixed", low ap blast weapons no longer king Vehicle explosions more deadly Sources confirm dreadnaughts as powerful monstrous creatures and terminators to have 2 wounds Vehicles described as being able to fire their weapons at separate targets, but certain weapons may only target infantry Charge from deep strike and outflank will be allowed under certain conditions Hungry Nostraman Lizard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 That all sounds pretty positive, bar splitting up the Legion revisions by faction which kinda sucks, well that and night fighting but most folks just ignore that anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 That all sounds pretty positive, bar splitting up the Legion revisions by faction which kinda sucks, well that and night fighting but most folks just ignore that anyway. You say that but wait until you have a regular Night Lords player hahaha Corswain and Hungry Nostraman Lizard 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 All fearing change will do when it is going to inevitably happen is blind you to the potential good because of human disposition to look for the bad and focus on it when in a negative mindset. If change happens, it happens and take it for what it is. Even current 30k, hell, before that when it was at its peak, wasn't perfect we just look back on pre-Inferno times (imho the point where the shift happened) with rose tinted glasses. After all, I doubt we'll be going back to peak 30k with Sniper Vets being the core of pretty much every army alongside a Leviathan in a Dreadnought Drop Pod that he wasnt forced out of granting him 3ish extra shrouded AV12 hullpoints. For me it isn't about power creep, though. Instead it is about the core game mechanics. FW has shown in the last books that they don't know how the game actual works and that is a huge issue if you re-write the rules. It could mean that they dumb it down like 40k because they think it is too complicated which I would most definitely not like or they try to improve the rule crashing the whole thing like GW did in 6th edition. It was unplayable without the errata which they wrote hastily after release of the rules. That's the two biggest concerns I have. In addition to that there is always the possibility that they change special rules without having the impact in mind that could have. A good but more or less harmless example is the Heavy rule for vehicles. I am 100% sure that the rule mongers at FW think that a heavy vehicle ignores the ordinance penalties because in earlier editions it was the case. I assume that things like that could happen.It is not a must though. Maybe the do right and improve the game. We will see. See, I don't understand the fear behind a game system being Simplified (Dumbing down is rather patronizing, and doesn't really do much to sway people of a differing opinion to yours). We can all agree that the game design hasn't been as...ironclad...as we'd like but part of it, to me, is because the game is too complex with too much minutiae or minute interactions that only ever really come up once in a blue moon and, honestly, can be airlocked without it negatively affecting the overall game. Heavy Vehicles being a great example. If it pretty much never comes into play or leads to some assumptions being made because of prior editions, imo, get rid of it. Like, don't get me wrong, I enjoy my complex games - I have over 3k Hours put into Path of Exile but at the same time, I don't always want to play Path of Exile-levels of complexity games. Sometimes I want Diablo 3. And in a game system like 30k where there are 18 legions + ~5 non-marine factions with easily over 100 datasheets theres already enough there that trimming the fat to streamline the end user experience is a worthwhile endeavor. Will they get it right? Depends on what your expectations are, honestly. Set the bar too high and it can only ever fail. Set it low enough and you might have an easier time finding the good in it. Just as long as its not so low that actual garbage passes. Cris R, Grim Dog Studios, Doctor Perils and 11 others 14 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5779944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Well rumours said March-ish for the delayed release and it seems they are currently a month of so behind intended releases roughly, so we might expect sneak peeks around the end of the month? Roughly? There will be a big preview at the end of the month for LVO, so I wouldn't be surprised to see something there if that is its intended slot. I'm personally expecting a middle of the year release slot though which means we wouldn't see previews until around c. March (e.g. Adepticon) WrathOfTheLion, 1ncarnadine, Noserenda and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5780094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry Nostraman Lizard Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 What ever happened to those rumors from ages ago that the Khan was going to get two models, mounted/dismounted? I guess we're not seeing a mounted Khan, shame. I suspect Apologist is right, specifically the Legion specific Praetors and Dreads were initially all passion projects by the sculptors or unused concepts they kinda liked. It stands to reason they may well have a bit of a backlog of those for a rainy day as apparently the turnaround on getting a resin master to production is relatively quick/cheap to help fill gaps in releases. I'd hardly call the Night Lord praetors PASSION projects... That all sounds pretty positive, bar splitting up the Legion revisions by faction which kinda sucks, well that and night fighting but most folks just ignore that anyway. You say that but wait until you have a regular Night Lords player hahaha It's a 50/50 toss up between them going "Hey, so i'm gonna roll for Night Fighting... anyway, i'm gonna roll for Night Fighting... now for Night Fi-", or it's two turns in "FUG, I forgot about Night Fighting!"**it's me, i'm the resident NL player who does this Loquille and Noserenda 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/70/#findComment-5780278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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