Joe Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Hopefully, something solid for base HH or Titanicus. Loquille and Hungry Nostraman Lizard 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5787969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Last year (2020) was just Qin Xa right? Did HH get anything in 2019? 'Cos I get the feeling it's probably going to just be something along those lines at most, Titanicus books as well probably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5787977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2019 was Book VIII - Malevolence, Sanguinius, the Golden Keshig, Crimson Paladins, Deathsworn, Night Lords Praetors, Contemptors/Leviathans for DA/UM/NL/WS, the Contemptor-Incaendius, the Ruinstorm Daemon Brutes and the Ordinatus Aktaeus. BeatTheBeat 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5787986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Observant Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I miss 2019 ha, I'm expecting something small but would hope they say something to the lines of "expect something big coming" hopefully with a date attached Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The more time goes by since those leaks the less I'm interested. Since I'm quarantined I will tune in and see what they will show us. Hobby funds are available but if they don't come forward with that box FW will receive them. darkhorse0607 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 I'm interested. Apparently I've just had a pay review and will be seeing a fair bit more disposable income and I've just had my two T'au Start Collecting cancelled so there's some funds. Ubiquitous1984 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 If the new HH box is coming in the first quarter of the year, then it has to be reviewed at LVO. Any later and it makes no sense. Aside from that, I'd hope that a pushing the boat out for the first LVO in two years would mean a look at what the next Black Book/Black Book Replacement looks like, as well as a proper handful of kits reviewed, not just a single character or a Praetor pairing. Have seen a few suggestions that it will feature the Khan on jetbrike, but that would be absurd even by GW's sometimes strange standards IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry Nostraman Lizard Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 If they want HH to be their big third, they then can push to have alternating years with an early summer new edition drop, circulating between AoS, HH, and 40k. AoS was last year, so HH this year, and 10th edition the following... in theory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Generally speaking, the major system reveals have been teased around AdeptiCon or later. I still think a major HH release is a while off. I expect one of the missing Dark Angels characters (Corswain), some new Praetors or one of the many missing units to make an appearance. Astartes Consul, Lord Marshal, m0nolith and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 They'd possibly switch to a 4 year cycle with The Old World coming as well. Hungry Nostraman Lizard and Cris R 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse0607 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 The more time goes by since those leaks the less I'm interested. Since I'm quarantined I will tune in and see what they will show us. Hobby funds are available but if they don't come forward with that box FW will receive them. This is where I am at right now. Granted, I wasn't hyped about MKVI anyway as it's never been my favorite, but I had hype last June (ish, whenever it was) when the leaks went around. Now it's been so long my hype is pretty much dead, and several in my hobby circle have said the same thing Don't get me wrong, I want them to reveal it but I won't be overly disappointed if they don't this week. I have enough projects I want to do with existing products. To be honest I would probably be more hyped with Praetors, Characters and a unit or two rather than the box, although I know many don't share that opinion which is completely fair MCC and Doctor Perils 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I'm really hoping for the box reveal but I'll take any Heresy news right now. What I don't want to see is a teaser of a preview...... darkhorse0607 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabando Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 What I want - plastic heresy/ heresy 2.0 What I'm expecting - Horus aximond, or another IF character. IL watch, mainly because IL be walking to work at 6am so it will help take my mind of the cold XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I think at this point the announcement has to be HH 2.0. Taliesin 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) I really don't think it will, last LVOs we just got Qin Xa and 2019 we didn't get anything. Both were mainly AoS and 40k, with last year being the not-elves and the new western Admech and 2019 being new khorne and underworlds with the shadowspear for 40k. It will probably some special characters or models for Legions that don't need them, like a Leviathan for the IF or SoH. Edited January 25, 2022 by No Foes Remain Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 If it were 2.0 we'd be seeing a similar level of teasing to a range refresh - or a new edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Maybe just two new sets of Titanicus dice. Cris R, Lord Marshal, darkhorse0607 and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I feel like there's something fundamental I miss when it comes to death guard. I always feel like they're just a very vanilla legion with underbaked marine characters and a truly terrible rite of war. These poison guys just continue that. They're more expensive than either support squad they can pretend to be, or the destroyers they ostensibly are. They don't score, they aren't particularly resilient and they're very short ranged; a recipe to be killed by shooting. Flamers are also particularly in effective vs marines as you need basically a perfect concave from a squad of 10 to average 10 dead power armour. Maybe they should have been toxiferrum with the shred. Bit late to the party but... totally agreed. Mortus Poisoner Squad! Finally, Death Guard get something new, yay! Then I read that it's a tactical support squad with flamers and Rad nades? Do the writers hate DG, writers block, forgot we aren't Salamanders, forgot that chemical warfare is more than flame? I feel there could be better ways to represent chemical warfare than just a suite of alternative model names and flamers. We could really have used something to help our marines do what they do best, not add more fuel to the fire. I always felt we could have done with a legion specific Destroyer Squad - but after reading these rules I'm not sure it would have been any good anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armillion Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I feel like there's something fundamental I miss when it comes to death guard. I always feel like they're just a very vanilla legion with underbaked marine characters and a truly terrible rite of war. These poison guys just continue that. They're more expensive than either support squad they can pretend to be, or the destroyers they ostensibly are. They don't score, they aren't particularly resilient and they're very short ranged; a recipe to be killed by shooting. Flamers are also particularly in effective vs marines as you need basically a perfect concave from a squad of 10 to average 10 dead power armour. Maybe they should have been toxiferrum with the shred. Bit late to the party but... totally agreed. Mortus Poisoner Squad! Finally, Death Guard get something new, yay! Then I read that it's a tactical support squad with flamers and Rad nades? Do the writers hate DG, writers block, forgot we aren't Salamanders, forgot that chemical warfare is more than flame? I feel there could be better ways to represent chemical warfare than just a suite of alternative model names and flamers. We could really have used something to help our marines do what they do best, not add more fuel to the fire. I always felt we could have done with a legion specific Destroyer Squad - but after reading these rules I'm not sure it would have been any good anyway. Agreed. Like phosphex-lite grenade launchers (R24" Assault 1 S3 AP4 Poisoned 3+, Blast, Lingering Death), irad-cleansers, toxiferran flamers, rad-cannons, etc... Especially chemical weapons in the sense of weakening/slowing enemy units/controlling movement around the battlefield (ala graviton weapons and phosphex lingering death) down to the DG's preferred speed than raw damage. Got thinking about this round of rules and was actually kinda surprised FW just rehashed DA cenobites, instead of... you know, maybe a DA special ravenwing bike/jetbike unit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Looking at the units so far i think their brief is simple kitbashes using existing FW models and mechanics plus one or two special rules. To give us something to tide us over until the now long delayed new starter/rules. Or perhaps to preview things which are included in those rules? Or at least let us know what models to make :D Its a good thing but i wouldnt expect anything groundbreaking! dicebod 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhellblade Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I feel like there's something fundamental I miss when it comes to death guard. I always feel like they're just a very vanilla legion with underbaked marine characters and a truly terrible rite of war. These poison guys just continue that. They're more expensive than either support squad they can pretend to be, or the destroyers they ostensibly are. They don't score, they aren't particularly resilient and they're very short ranged; a recipe to be killed by shooting. Flamers are also particularly in effective vs marines as you need basically a perfect concave from a squad of 10 to average 10 dead power armour. Maybe they should have been toxiferrum with the shred. Bit late to the party but... totally agreed. Mortus Poisoner Squad! Finally, Death Guard get something new, yay! Then I read that it's a tactical support squad with flamers and Rad nades? Do the writers hate DG, writers block, forgot we aren't Salamanders, forgot that chemical warfare is more than flame? I feel there could be better ways to represent chemical warfare than just a suite of alternative model names and flamers. We could really have used something to help our marines do what they do best, not add more fuel to the fire. I always felt we could have done with a legion specific Destroyer Squad - but after reading these rules I'm not sure it would have been any good anyway. Agreed. Like phosphex-lite grenade launchers (R24" Assault 1 S3 AP4 Poisoned 3+, Blast, Lingering Death), irad-cleansers, toxiferran flamers, rad-cannons, etc... Especially chemical weapons in the sense of weakening/slowing enemy units/controlling movement around the battlefield (ala graviton weapons and phosphex lingering death) down to the DG's preferred speed than raw damage. Got thinking about this round of rules and was actually kinda surprised FW just rehashed DA cenobites, instead of... you know, maybe a DA special ravenwing bike/jetbike unit? Or a Stormwing Unit *grumbles* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Could be legion hussars or that bike/ speeder thing with the targeter. Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varyn Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Looking at the units so far i think their brief is simple kitbashes using existing FW models and mechanics plus one or two special rules. To give us something to tide us over until the now long delayed new starter/rules. Or perhaps to preview things which are included in those rules? Or at least let us know what models to make Its a good thing but i wouldnt expect anything groundbreaking! I think this is the point of these PDF's. I was initially thinking that they had missed a trick by not giving us units with lots of legion flavour, interesting special rules and unique equipment, but actually they are just providing some new units for us to kitbash whilst we wait for the new content that's coming. If you look at it from this point of view then it's actually good to be getting these free rules each month :) Cris R and Noserenda 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5788987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Considering they are free and flavorful without being broken, I consider it a massive win overall… …so long as we still get “full” releases down the line. dicebod 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5789092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 You'd think it has to be the big news about the box, which has been rumoured so long now and the last rumours we heard was it was delayed till Feb due to....reasons. If its once again no news on the box and assorted books, it would seem to indicate that thats a long way off. Asbestress 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/74/#findComment-5789149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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