Spagunk Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 The kratos is giving me Hercules tank vibes from original Titanicus: Yeah, that silhouette very closely matches this artwork. Great find imo. Brofist, zedmeister, Astartes Consul and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Legionnare Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Slips you're right, I think ceramite might be dead. The predator leak from earlier doesn't have it either, though could certainly just be these two units Or perhaps they keep a "Standardized" equipment list. IE, like searchlights and the like, and ceramite is in there. Perhaps it's a standardized equipment that can only be taken on "Vehicle, Reinforced" units? I would certainly like meltas to see more love in HH. They currently stand as dread & infantry hunters for the most part for me. Light-Med AV is done well by autocannon dreads, flanking missiles, etc... while the melta can't really hunt heavies, given they're pretty much 99% of the time, ceramited up. At the same time, I can understand why having ceramite still exist on the REALLY expensive stuff like spartans, these kratos, etc... would be a valid need, while perhaps being removed from LR's except the achilles? Giving the melta's some AV14 to hunt finally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Slips you're right, I think ceramite might be dead. The predator leak from earlier doesn't have it either, though could certainly just be these two units Or perhaps they keep a "Standardized" equipment list. IE, like searchlights and the like, and ceramite is in there. Perhaps it's a standardized equipment that can only be taken on "Vehicle, Reinforced" units? I would certainly like meltas to see more love in HH. They currently stand as dread & infantry hunters for the most part for me. Light-Med AV is done well by autocannon dreads, flanking missiles, etc... while the melta can't really hunt heavies, given they're pretty much 99% of the time, ceramited up. At the same time, I can understand why having ceramite still exist on the REALLY expensive stuff like spartans, these kratos, etc... would be a valid need, while perhaps being removed from LR's except the achilles? Giving the melta's some AV14 to hunt finally. TBH, even the Achilles doesnt really need AC since it had a 4++ vs melta which is arguably better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Praetor will almost certainly be starter set only - pretty sure the fuzzy outline from the leaked box images last year match it. IMO there isn't much point in trying to guess the scale of new minis or make choices based on that guess yet. There has been so much talk about scale creep, re-scaling etc. over the last year or so and about half the time, concerns have been largely unfounded.Even with similar promo images, we have no idea how the perspective and scaling of the photo itself have been edited in order to create a final, high definition promotional shot for use online. Overlaying different photos onto that Mk VI marine can help is guess, but ultimately it could simply be that the miniature has been blown up slightly or the photo of it taken from a different distance than other images etc.If we're going to do photo wizardy, lets try and get as many shots of the Kratos from the trailer as possible When you can align the 32mm bases 1:1 then you can do the overlays fine.The scale is very much in line with tortuga bay/recent plastic can. Very much out of line with the original resin sculpts and can lead to a huge disparity. True, this at least makes the comparison vaguely sensible. But I honestly think even then, it isn't going to give you a full picture. The new FW legion specific Praetors that I've bought - admittedly I don't have all of them - are all in the same ball park scale wise with my existing minis. Similarly, the plastic MKIII & IV kits are proportioned slightly differently from the FW MKII, III & IV variants, leg alone the MK VI FW kit which is positively skinny. But in mixed units or side by side, I can't say I've ever noticed a difference without really looking hard. Basically, I don't think scale creep is going to be a major issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 We might finally see standalone plastic 30k Ahriman. BadgersinHills 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenzaburo Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 We might finally see standalone plastic 30k Ahriman. Speaking of which, how do Ahriman and Geigor compare to recent sculpts like Fafnir or the praetors? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 The kratos is giving me Hercules tank vibes from original Titanicus: First the Sabre Strike Tank and now this from the depths of GW history. Great find! zedmeister 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I do think melta will be pretty solid in 2.0. With plasma only hitting AP2 half the time you're better off using melta for hard targets and deleting multi wound models. I also wonder if the 2W terminators are statline or gearline buffs. Gearline would be pretty cool since it would let you tweak ICs more, but I get statline for simplicity sake. Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Praetor will almost certainly be starter set only - pretty sure the fuzzy outline from the leaked box images last year match it. IMO there isn't much point in trying to guess the scale of new minis or make choices based on that guess yet. There has been so much talk about scale creep, re-scaling etc. over the last year or so and about half the time, concerns have been largely unfounded. Even with similar promo images, we have no idea how the perspective and scaling of the photo itself have been edited in order to create a final, high definition promotional shot for use online. Overlaying different photos onto that Mk VI marine can help is guess, but ultimately it could simply be that the miniature has been blown up slightly or the photo of it taken from a different distance than other images etc. If we're going to do photo wizardy, lets try and get as many shots of the Kratos from the trailer as possible When you can align the 32mm bases 1:1 then you can do the overlays fine. The scale is very much in line with tortuga bay/recent plastic can. Very much out of line with the original resin sculpts and can lead to a huge disparity. True, this at least makes the comparison vaguely sensible. But I honestly think even then, it isn't going to give you a full picture. The new FW legion specific Praetors that I've bought - admittedly I don't have all of them - are all in the same ball park scale wise with my existing minis. Similarly, the plastic MKIII & IV kits are proportioned slightly differently from the FW MKII, III & IV variants, leg alone the MK VI FW kit which is positively skinny. But in mixed units or side by side, I can't say I've ever noticed a difference without really looking hard. Basically, I don't think scale creep is going to be a major issue. You've touched on it a bit, but it can definitely matter. My night lords have a lot of resin mk3 in it. I was going to do scars with about ~20 mk2 I have and the new box, but the difference is going to be far too much because of the skinny limb nature. But an army that mostly used the plastic versions should hopefully integrate in a bit better. But the overlay that has the mk4 be a head shorter is still troubling. And those fist praetors are way out of line lol. Edited March 24, 2022 by SkimaskMohawk Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) First the Sabre Strike Tank and now this from the depths of GW history. Great find! Thanks, it jogged something in my memory. Looks like there's several different variants we could possibly see. Transport variant along with the heavy tank variant Edited March 24, 2022 by zedmeister Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Yeah ive seen a side by side that has the Fist terminator Praetor barely shorter than Dorn, which is ridiculous.Ultimately its a personal taste thing but i wouldnt want to mix the scales. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scorpion Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Yeah ive seen a side by side that has the Fist terminator Praetor barely shorter than Dorn, which is ridiculous. Ultimately its a personal taste thing but i wouldnt want to mix the scales. The Fist Praetor isn't that bad since the newest Character sculpts are 3D printed, and FW can thus change the size at any time. Shame that most of the chars use classic moulds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Praetor will almost certainly be starter set only - pretty sure the fuzzy outline from the leaked box images last year match it. IMO there isn't much point in trying to guess the scale of new minis or make choices based on that guess yet. There has been so much talk about scale creep, re-scaling etc. over the last year or so and about half the time, concerns have been largely unfounded. Even with similar promo images, we have no idea how the perspective and scaling of the photo itself have been edited in order to create a final, high definition promotional shot for use online. Overlaying different photos onto that Mk VI marine can help is guess, but ultimately it could simply be that the miniature has been blown up slightly or the photo of it taken from a different distance than other images etc. If we're going to do photo wizardy, lets try and get as many shots of the Kratos from the trailer as possible When you can align the 32mm bases 1:1 then you can do the overlays fine. The scale is very much in line with tortuga bay/recent plastic can. Very much out of line with the original resin sculpts and can lead to a huge disparity. True, this at least makes the comparison vaguely sensible. But I honestly think even then, it isn't going to give you a full picture. The new FW legion specific Praetors that I've bought - admittedly I don't have all of them - are all in the same ball park scale wise with my existing minis. Similarly, the plastic MKIII & IV kits are proportioned slightly differently from the FW MKII, III & IV variants, leg alone the MK VI FW kit which is positively skinny. But in mixed units or side by side, I can't say I've ever noticed a difference without really looking hard. Basically, I don't think scale creep is going to be a major issue. You've touched on it a bit, but it can definitely matter. My night lords have a lot of resin mk3 in it. I was going to do scars with about ~20 mk2 I have and the new box, but the difference is going to be far too much because of the skinny limb nature. But an army that mostly used the plastic versions should hopefully integrate in a bit better. But the overlay that has the mk4 be a head shorter is still troubling. And those fist praetors are way out of line lol. Oh yeah, that Fist one was/is an absolute wild one. Sort of assumed / hope that was an outlier. Regarding Mk II, while I don't think we'll see them in plastic because of technical issues, I do think there is a decent change of a return to them in resin & presumably less skinny legged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) We already have that in the, albeit, extremely nerfed Malcador. Or the Spartan. By the time you load this up for bear you're looking at a ~400pt model which makes it compete with super heavies. Upgrades? Nah I want two of these stock loadout for 585 points instead in one slot for my IW's. Edited March 24, 2022 by MegaVolt87 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Brofist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoVonAwesome Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I just 3d printed mk4 replacement bodies in the new scale they look incredible, bigger than humans yet smaller than deathguard or primaris marines. The mark 6's the fist preator the soh preator, rann and zephon are all 36 mm like new chaos marines up from 32mm. They will make older models look dated but it's not as harsh as a contrast as primaris vs old 32mm marines. Also I love the Traitor Preator I shall name him Yhorm the Giant. Captain Idaho 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Falchion is now a total monster. I bet it costs like 700pts haha Edited March 24, 2022 by Brofist Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Falchion is now a total monster. I bet it costs like 700pts haha Plot twist- GW has points cuts instead, forcing us to buy more models to meet our old points limits. Pacific81 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Does any one location have all the leaks now consolidated? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Does any one location have all the leaks now consolidated? I can tell you this, it's certainly not the crusade and heresy Facebook page lmao. Eternal Despair, Loquille, TheFirstKnight and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvak Kyre Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 So I can place all of those weapons apart from the regular lascannon array (unless the quad lascannon has been renamed) and the neutron wave cannon. Anyone able to point out what uses them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwrath121 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) So I can place all of those weapons apart from the regular lascannon array (unless the quad lascannon has been renamed) and the neutron wave cannon. Anyone able to point out what uses them?The array is the quad lascannon, the wave... Not sure!I suspect it's a new weapon option for the Falchion, which could/can previously take a Neutron Wave Capacitor to gain shockpulse and such. If so, that's an interesting idea. No longer instant-deathing T6-7, but gain shock pulse. Edited March 25, 2022 by Darkwrath121 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 It now occurs to me. If sonic shrieked are unchanged they will be beyond terrifying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 We might finally see standalone plastic 30k Ahriman. Speaking of which, how do Ahriman and Geigor compare to recent sculpts like Fafnir or the praetors? I put a helmet on Rann so it might change the height a little but he is maybe a touch taller than Ahriman. Differences in pose obviously adds some height to Ahriman (tactical dead guy?) but there is no problem having them stand next to each other. Or Geigor. Kenzaburo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Now that feels like a super redundant list :D Unique guns for everyone!Generally good stuff from what we know though, glad they are using higher strengths rather than the awful S:D bodge, well, hopefully anyhow because the destroyer rule is still there... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/99/#findComment-5807681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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