'To Plunder the Stars Themselves' OOC Thread

[Trokair]

eh?

[Mazer Rackham]

Once you're tooled up, Orphiel is going to ask you for a small practice bout.  I don't think our characters have had one before?  You're free to decline of course.

[Trokair]

Ah, sure, I'll work that into the end of my next story post, will hopefully have time tonight to write.

[Lysimachus]

Perfect! If you guys are working on a scene, I'll hold back from moving us on!

 

If I can suggest it though, perhaps you could set the sparring session back in the Hold/quarters on the Dagger Thrust, then it segues (had to look that up, was sure it wasn't 'segways' :P) nicely into moving on?

[Mazer Rackham]

It was really more a bit of sandwich to allow time for others to dump any posts they wanted but keep the ball rolling.  I'll pop up a post after Tro's placeholder and we can go from there.

 

I don't want to hold anyone up though, so if things need to move forward, we can just talk about what happened in flashbacks etc.

[Machine God]

I've got a Zoom Quiz tonight, but I can whip something out 

 

I can have Draak's two-parter finished by Nine'ish.

Edited April 7, 2022 by Machine God

[Trokair]

Post updated:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370180-to-plunder-the-stars-themselves-episode-iii/?p=5813290

 

Circumstance might not quite match Masers following post, but the walk had been part of the scene from the beginning, I just did not have time yesterday to actually write it. I think it's close enough to work as is though.

 

Mazer, do you want this narrativley or with dice rolls? 

[Machine God]

I've got a Zoom Quiz tonight, but I can whip something out 

 

I can have Draak's two-parter finished by Nine'ish.

I'm writing the 2nd part, but I'm no novelist and think that to do my post justice that I should do this in Three Parts.

 

You will still get the Reveal. But the 'How' will be revealed in a Flash-Back on the Daggers Thrust.

[Mazer Rackham]

Mazer, do you want this narrativley or with dice rolls? 

 

Any way you want Tro, no worries.  I had no grand plan other than a bit of tap and slash.

 

I've tweaked my post to line up with yours and Necro's.

 

I'm writing the 2nd part, but I'm no novelist and think that to do my post justice that I should do this in Three Parts.

 

You will still get the Reveal. But the 'How' will be revealed in a Flash-Back on the Daggers Thrust.

 

I'm sure it will be fine

 

If three parts works better for you, do just that.  It's better to be comfortable in your writing than try to press buttons and not get it to work. 

Edited April 7, 2022 by Mazer Rackham

[Necronaut]

@Mazer, I just realized I mis-read your post. Will have to excise some bits from Vesalius's most recent update. DERP.

[Mazer Rackham]

@Necro, my fault bud, should have dropped more descriptors. 

 

@MG, very nice indeed.

[Lysimachus]

Lovely stuff, everyone! :)

 

@MG: Especially liked the name drop of Mbo'kamo, someone's been reading through the old IG Hall of Honour thread! I'd half forgotten about some of those characters myself! :P

[Necronaut]

@Mazer, never mind, Vesalius's thoughts still fit well enough. Going to leave it as is.

[Lysimachus]

Cracking stuff! MG, does Draak want to respond (or reveal part 3 of the TH story?). Stick a placeholder in if you prefer, then later today I'm going add a new update.

[Lysimachus]

Nice post, Necronaut, and it reminded me that I wanted, after MG revealed the TH, to explain why I'd allowed it!

 

When MG initially asked if Draak could take it, my immediate thought was nope, it's Distinguished and too powerful and might unbalance the game.

 

Then I went looking for an alternative weapon to suggest taking instead from the Starting and Respected items. Where I found the Breaching Augur, which is a Starting Renown item with similar stats to the TH. Much better in fact; both have Power Field and Unwieldy, Augur has Tearing instead of Concussive, Dam 2d10+11 Pen 7 vs Dam 2d10+5 Pen9. Not to mention the Augur doubles its RF rolls and is 12 Req cheaper too!

 

So I figured that as the TH would technically be a downgrade chosen for fluff reasons as opposed to powergaming (it does seem quite suited to Draak's personality, after all! :P) I was more inclined to say yes.

 

Plus I'd also allowed Odysseus to have his Psychic Hood a bit early too, so in the end I decided that I'd let MG have it.

 

 

So, I hope that doesn't come across to anyone as unfair or giving special treatment?

[Necronaut]

The breaching augur also requires a Tech-Marine's servo harness to wield properly, if memory serves.

[Lysimachus]

I think it says it can be mounted on a Servo Arm, but doesn't have to be?

 

In the Errata, it says about the Omnissian Axe 'can only be taken by a Techmarine', but there is no qualifier about the Breaching Augur?

 

Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible... :lol:

[Necronaut]

Oh you're right, I mis-remembered. Shoot, I should have requisitioned that instead for Vesalius for some proper rip 'n tear.

[Mazer Rackham]

Well I was half right...

 

There is an item in First Founding which is a Deathwatch Relic called the Crusader's Cross, which is basically Grimaldus' big lump of stone from the Temple in Helsreach.  It's 30 Req, Respected, counts as a Thunder Hammer, 2 handed, no power field.

 

Thought that was what we were going to see with MG's line about having the 'honours' to carry it - thought it was a Crux/Cross hint.

 

And Lysi is right, the Breaching Augur is mounted on a harness OR on a servo arm.  Anyone can snaffle it.  Don't worry Necro, I'm sure you can do a lot of Rip and Tear with Bulkhead Shears! ;p

Edited April 9, 2022 by Mazer Rackham

[Necronaut]

I was only kidding -- Vesalius brought the chainsword for such purposes. The shears are beefy but not exactly Vesalius's style for cqc.

[Machine God]

I think it says it can be mounted on a Servo Arm, but doesn't have to be?

 

In the Errata, it says about the Omnissian Axe 'can only be taken by a Techmarine', but there is no qualifier about the Breaching Augur?

 

Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible...

@Lysimachus - That's the thing with FFG though. In the blurb for Breaching Augur it's all Deathwatch Techmarine this and Deathwatch Techmarine that, but there's no 'Long +++ mark' to link below in a Key saying 'Techmarine Only' and the blurb doesn't explicitly say 'For use of TechMarines only' like the blurb for Crozius Arcanum that talks about Chaplains.

[Lysimachus]

Ah, that's interesting!! I was thinking afterwards 'hang on, if I'm interpreting that right you could have a squad all carrying augurs and crozius!'

 

But it does actually say crozius is Chappy only? (I'm away from books at this moment)

 

I suspect RAI the Augur should be Techmarine only then...?

 

FFG :)

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to muck about now with what I've already allowed, but I think in future that's how I'll handle the Augur...

 

Anyway, update will be up soon!

[Mazer Rackham]

Ah, that's interesting!! I was thinking afterwards 'hang on, if I'm interpreting that right you could have a squad all carrying augurs and crozius!'

 

But it does actually say crozius is Chappy only? (I'm away from books at this moment)

 

No, but like most of the rules in FFG stuff, you cannot think in isolation.  It all predicates on something else.

 

Examining the listed item for the Crozius does indeed not specify that it is for Chaplains Only.  However, the same list also has no Requisition cost, meaning it CANNOT be Requisitioned normally, putting it firmly in the province of the GM.  Similarly, if we look at the Advanced Tables in RoB, we can find that the Crozius comes as part of the Chaplain kit.  Both operations satisfy RAI/RAW that the weapon should be Chaplain only.

 

It's a munchkin trap ;)

 

And yes, the whole team could take Breaching Augurs   It is RAI that they don't, and even better that this is for the Iron Gods, who may be short on such devices.

 

@Necro, you should not be thinking like that - everyone knows the best weapon is the most powerful one...!

Edited April 9, 2022 by Mazer Rackham

[A.T.]

The breaching augur also requires a Tech-Marine's servo harness to wield properly, if memory serves.

It requires a harness for normal marines - think of the aliens smartgun harness. There is even a human-sized mining cybernetic to carry them in Dark Heresy.

 

Techmarines have the option of ditching the harness and just sticking it on an existing servo arm.

[Machine God]

Well I was half right...

 

There is an item in First Founding which is a Deathwatch Relic called the Crusader's Cross, which is basically Grimaldus' big lump of stone from the Temple in Helsreach.  It's 30 Req, Respected, counts as a Thunder Hammer, 2 handed, no power field.

 

Thought that was what we were going to see with MG's line about having the 'honours' to carry it - thought it was a Crux/Cross hint.

 

And Lysi is right, the Breaching Augur is mounted on a harness OR on a servo arm.  Anyone can snaffle it.  Don't worry Necro, I'm sure you can do a lot of Rip and Tear with Bulkhead Shears! ;p

@MR - Yes, that would have been "Totally Nuts" as you said. I just looked it up - An Eight Foot tall piece of masonry wielded two-handed as a Thunder Hammer without a power field.

 

No it was just a Thunder Hammer, a weapon that Draak had been trained on as he wears Terminator Honours.

 

Ah, that's interesting!! I was thinking afterwards 'hang on, if I'm interpreting that right you could have a squad all carrying augurs and crozius!'

 

But it does actually say crozius is Chappy only? (I'm away from books at this moment)

 

I suspect RAI the Augur should be Techmarine only then...?

 

FFG

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to muck about now with what I've already allowed, but I think in future that's how I'll handle the Augur...

 

Anyway, update will be up soon!

@Lysimachus - Yes. Rites of Battle, p140 - Crozius Arcanum blurb at the bottom says 'This wargear is only ever issued to Space Marine Chaplains.

 

Also on p147 on Table 3 - 4: Melee Weapons - Crozius Arcanum doesn't have a Requisition Cost to no doubt emphasize that you cannot requisition one.