SirJyo Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Don't forget what they did for the 2018 kill team. They really stretched it, faction focus articles for like 2 weeks. Considering the preorder is the only thing promised for august, it's a huge window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 From today's article: "If you want to see how the Firefight phase will play out in greater detail, stay tuned to Warhammer Community for our upcoming Learn to Play videos, and be on the lookout for more Kill Team articles as we steadily approach the new edition’s pre-orders in just a few weeks’ time." Just a few weeks so I'm betting release for first week September. That sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Well, I was wrong about CP being unnecesary anymore with action points. GW loves to overcomplicate things. New article: "Seize the Initiative and Launch Crucial Strategic Ploys in Kill Team’s Dramatic Turning Points" https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/02/seize-the-initiative-and-launch-crucial-strategic-ploys-in-kill-teams-dramatic-turning-points/ BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) Looks good, though - there is so much more flavour in the strategems. Of course these become so easily abused - I do like much better a random draw/roll of tactics. Edited August 2, 2021 by Petitioner's City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) Turns, or Turning Points as they’re now known Facepalm... Just about anyone who has played a game in the history of games knows what a turn is. I'm really hyped about Kill Team for sure, moreso than 40k even, but this sort of thing just seems like nonsense to me. Am I overlooking an obvious reason? *edit* A friend suggests that turn implies "I go you go" so they wanted to differentiate that. Edited August 2, 2021 by Juggernut BLACK BLŒ FLY and lansalt 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 That makes some sense as a way to separate groups of phases made of secuential alternate activations... ...but 99.99% of players are still going to call it "turn" instead of "turning point" Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burni Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 That makes some sense as a way to separate groups of phases made of secuential alternate activations... ...but 99.99% of players are still going to call it "turn" instead of "turning point" I think you’re lowballing that percentage… I bet even the games developers call it a turn Noserenda, Interrogator Stobz and lansalt 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I suspect they're trying to be "flavorful". As for when things go up for pre-order... With another new unit revealed, I suspect the battletomes have at least 1 more week of previews before they get their pre-order announcement (I suspect the last unit revealed will be a Kruleboyz cavalry of some kind), so if I had to place a bet, I'd guess next Sunday's pre-order announcement will be Kill Team. Still could go either way (Or have them both come out at the same time), but Kill Team feels closer to being finished previewing, if that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted August 2, 2021 Author Share Posted August 2, 2021 Turns, or Turning Points as they’re now known Facepalm... Just about anyone who has played a game in the history of games knows what a turn is. I'm really hyped about Kill Team for sure, moreso than 40k even, but this sort of thing just seems like nonsense to me. Am I overlooking an obvious reason? *edit* A friend suggests that turn implies "I go you go" so they wanted to differentiate that. Somebody from high up the totem pole probably told them, "Every game calls a turn a turn. We need something unique so people only associate the game's rules with GAMES WORKSHOP. Going forward they will be called Turning Points. Get it done." He then leaves to go stick his head in the cocaine bucket for the rest of the day, whilst the writers collectively roll their eyes but pen it anyway. Marshal Loss, Arkhanist, RolandTHTG and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentOne Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I think there could be narrative mission content that makes the turning point phrase more appropriate. Like I think that when one turn ends end the next begins, that may actually be a turning point in the action; it's where initiative can flip, certain environmental effects may be keyed to turning points, etc. They said preorder in a few weeks... so that's August 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Its not like Turning point even makes any sense in context... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Its not like Turning point even makes any sense in context... Yeah it would only really make sense if they had some sort of mechanic designed to keep the game close. Warcry and AoS do have missions where a player can remove an objective and maybe they'll do something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinespider Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) It makes sense as a description of the abstraction. An actual conflict doesn't consist of each team shooting exactly four times. They shoot a lot, but only four of those shots are game-significant. Each "turn" is actually just a brief snapshot of the overall action. Calling those game-significant snapshots "turning points" is fine. Edited August 2, 2021 by Shinespider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Maybe "Round" would have a been more appropiate descriptor? As in "a round is divided in several phases", "the first round", "victory points at the end of the round"... etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) It can be any term as far as I’m concerned, but the need to coin something unique when a (seemingly) perfect conventional term is already in use seems silly. Of course, really not an important detail, but seems kinda like a stereotypical modern GW move. Ork, orruk, etc. Edited August 2, 2021 by Juggernut Noserenda and lansalt 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I think it may mean as in a change of fortunes as in one side gaining initiative over the over. I expect if this is the case it's a narrative thing. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 In case noone caught it, (or in case I've missed it elsewhere) the latest War Com article on Octarius confirms this box is up for pre-order this month at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukkiz Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 In case noone caught it, (or in case I've missed it elsewhere) the latest War Com article on Octarius confirms this box is up for pre-order this month at some point. From their warcom article "You can find out more about War Zone Octarius in the recent Warhammer Preview Online, and keep your eyes peeled for when the new Kill Team arrives for pre-order later this month." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJyo Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) As I suggested before it's likely to be end of month because of the padding using faction focus articles: "In the meantime, we’ll be looking closer at the factions found in the Kill Team: Octarius boxed set, so join us again soon for more skirmish combat goodness." Edited August 3, 2021 by SirJyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I'm very much looking forward to the box but at this point it's so strung out. Just give us a pre order date... I reckon we'll see stormcast/ kruleboyz this Sunday or the new AI box, the other the following Sunday and then kill team. firestorm40k and Firedrake Cordova 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firestorm40k Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Yeah, it's a bit frustrating that after several weeks of bigging-up this release as coming in August, it's looking like it's going to be the end of August *sigh* At this rate I think it's looking like pre-order on the 21st, in stores on the 28th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovellovin Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I really hope that all this focus on inquisitors means that there will be an inquisition kill team released. A generic inquisitor model with a large selection of heads, weapons and arms for customization would be a cool release. brother_b, sitnam, Scribe and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Yeah, it's a bit frustrating that after several weeks of bigging-up this release as coming in August, it's looking like it's going to be the end of August *sigh* At this rate I think it's looking like pre-order on the 21st, in stores on the 28th. I'll never forget "Orktober" in 2018. They said "pre order in October" they were right but the gubbins didn't drop until first week of Nobvember. History always repeats. I've no issue being patient but I really wanted it done before school started up again. Getting anything done once we get back is going to be a mare and I wanted KT to introduce it to students. firestorm40k, mel_danes and Zebulon 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firestorm40k Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I've no issue being patient but I really wanted it done before school started up again. Getting anything done once we get back is going to be a mare and I wanted KT to introduce it to students. Absolutely, I'm helping to start a gaming group for young people (under 18) at the beginning of September, and I've been painting a couple of Kill Teams to run demo games at it. It'd be helpful to have some time to at least get familiar with the rules before then..! mel_danes and 01RTB01 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_danes Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I'm hoping to start Combat Patrols in my university. Go wargaming school team! KT would be a cool in, but I'm not waiting on it and I don't play either faction. Son of Carnelian and 01RTB01 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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