Brother Christopher Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 The rules for the new one will be so much better you'll never look back. Likely they will straight up replace the old ones, as has happened before with models like Tiggy that got a Primaris upgrade. You are probably right. I don't appreciate the way you put these things - I for one would like to look back and use the models that I bought and painted. I'd like them to have rules intended for them (preferably rules that are competitive) that get updated. But, in my stubbornness, I'm clearly in the minority here - it is apparent to me that what matters is 'progress' and future-proofing things with Primaris and promoting new kits. I understand that pretty well. Still, I'm a bit bitter that the product I have usually doesn't get "the right" support - but what that means isn't the topic of this thread and, frankly, I don't want to get into this. What I'd want is for the Firstborn and Primaris Emperor's Champion to have "identical" rules, with the Firstborn equivalent having -1 A (per analogy to other Firsborn v. Primaris characters). Still, as I already stated and to reiterate what you said, it's most likely not going to happen. Kheotour, Nyx of the Night and Marshal Valkenhayn 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayOkuz Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 TBH Making them in gravis armor wold be wise for GW to sell more units of a model, instead of just making people convert the Bladeguards as "SWORD BRETHEREN" but, To be honest the sword bretheren will be Blade Guard based and have a special ruleset like Dar Angel's Deathwing. either way, I trush in what learoth said an waiting in with Hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 While I think primaris will eventually get some kind of neo-terminator unit, I wouldn't expect it now. The blurb about swordbrethren being the only templars trained using terminator armor is basically signaling that sworbrethren = terminator honours. My predictions for sword brethren will be veterans in tacticus armour, with combi weapons, since I'm meme-ing about that :p BayOkuz and Mmmmm Napalm 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayOkuz Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 The rules for the new one will be so much better you'll never look back. Likely they will straight up replace the old ones, as has happened before with models like Tiggy that got a Primaris upgrade. You are probably right. I don't appreciate the way you put these things - I for one would like to look back and use the models that I bought and painted. I'd like them to have rules intended for them (preferably rules that are competitive) that get updated. But, in my stubbornness, I'm clearly in the minority here - it is apparent to me that what matters is 'progress' and future-proofing things with Primaris and promoting new kits. I understand that pretty well. Still, I'm a bit bitter that the product I have usually doesn't get "the right" support - but what that means isn't the topic of this thread and, frankly, I don't want to get into this. What I'd want is for the Firstborn and Primaris Emperor's Champion to have "identical" rules, with the Firstborn equivalent having -1 A (per analogy to other Firsborn v. Primaris characters). Still, as I already stated and to reiterate what you said, it's most likely not going to happen. While I have same feelings with you, I expect that Firstborn EC and other Firstborn substitutes of the newl releasing Primaris models will not have equavalent rules due to model selling reasons (I hope I will be wrong but...) As such, I am not sure what will be happen to the firstborn but from what I heard, after the actual release we will have zero questions in our head about this Firstborn issue.. I hope that means something good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Either they will simply be replaced or they'll be moved to Legends. Charlo 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Ya'll going to want to take the Sword Brethren. I promise. Not a question about rules or models. But how strong do you think is our new suppelement. Is it close to Dark Angels or even better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trignama Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Ya'll going to want to take the Sword Brethren. I promise. Not a question about rules or models. But how strong do you think is our new suppelement. Is it close to Dark Angels or even better? I 2nd this request, dis-regarding anything else, would the ruleset be considered competitive or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Laeroth Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) Ya'll going to want to take the Sword Brethren. I promise. Not a question about rules or models.But how strong do you think is our new suppelement. Is it close to Dark Angels or even better? I 2nd this request, dis-regarding anything else, would the ruleset be considered competitive or not?The book will be competitive. But if you are expecting Drukhari or Admech broken, you will be severely disappointed. As for comparing to things like Dark Angels and Death Guard, time will tell if we are on par, above, or below those codices in strength. Many more games need to be played to unlock the book fully. Edited August 11, 2021 by Marshal Laeroth Trignama 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 THX. I hope Admech will see a few fixes for Admech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Noone wants to be the next AdMech or Drukhari. Trignama and WrathOfTheLion 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) Were there actual rumors beyond ‘Wait and See’ and Characters + Sword Brethren?You must have missed the ton of info already dropped around.Sword bros will be in Tactical armour. As far as I'm aware there wont be primaris terminators. I assume DA will have that honour later on, since they are the Terminator heavy chapter. Laeroth you gon do KT strategy and shenanigans? Edited August 11, 2021 by Sete redmapa 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) Nobody has seen the lore? More to releases than models and rules. Edited August 11, 2021 by Marshal Rohr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Nobody has seen the lore? More to releases than models and rules.I did not. So I'm waiting patiently for some lore and artwork aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trignama Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Were there actual rumors beyond ‘Wait and See’ and Characters + Sword Brethren?You must have missed the ton of info already dropped around.Sword bros will be in Tactical armour. As far as I'm aware there wont be primaris terminators. I assume DA will have that honour later on, since they are the Terminator heavy chapter. Laeroth you gon do KT strategy and shenanigans? So my dream of Sword bros in Gravis armor is dead?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! hehehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Laeroth Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Nobody has seen the lore? More to releases than models and rules. Leaking lore and artwork early...That's a good way to get the forum shut down. GW semi tolerates model/rules leaks, but not when it comes to their lore/art. I would not expect to see anything on those until preview weekend when we can review the books. Trignama 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) The Grand Alliance manages spoilers without CnDs, just wondering if any NEOs had seen this as well as Comp players. Really doubt GW is going to lose its mind if someone confirms the size of the chapter or who has and has not crossed the Rubicon Primaris. Cant see why AoS is open season but 40K lore isn’t. Edited August 11, 2021 by Marshal Rohr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Hopefully the opportunity remains to represent a non-primaris Emperor's Champion. Tigurius is a named character, so whether he keeps his old one doesn't matter, but I think it's important for the setting to be able to represent earlier eras. This can be done through the mechanic of making a chief librarian, in the context of replacing Tigurius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Laeroth Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 The Grand Alliance manages spoilers without CnDs, just wondering if any NEOs had seen this as well as Comp players. Really doubt GW is going to lose its mind if someone confirms the size of the chapter or who has and has not crossed the Rubicon Primaris. Cant see why AoS is open season but 40K lore isn’t. All relevant characters to our chapter crossed the Rubicon Primaris. 9x19 Parabellum, Sarvis, Gederas and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Any truth to the rumors of an upcoming Third War for Armageddon 2: Daemon Boogaloo? That’s the big seller for me. 3rd War is quintessential Templars. Vesalius 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFox Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 I feel so desperate for any info tidbits now, how long till the big reveal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 The roadmap is on Friday, they might show more than the codex cover then but I doubt we'll see it all that day since we should be at least a month out to get in pre-orders since KT has a 2 week slot and Orks still havent released. Trignama 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Guys, can we not just wait? redmapa, Metzombie and Jayrich131 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Guys, can we not just wait? lol no Gotta expect the Sword Brethren to be blinged out Assault Intercessors, maybe some power weapon options with an associated strat. Sticking storm shields on them just makes them blade guard, which is a brand new kit GW isn't going to slow down sales on. Hidenheart, Vesalius and Marshal Loss 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Guys, can we not just wait? No 9x19 Parabellum, Marshal Loss, Trignama and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFox Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Guys, can we not just wait? I actually have no problem waiting for the actual release. I just want to know everything now! Sword Brother Adelard, Medjugorje, Trignama and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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