Medjugorje Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I think its for free Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) Oh man, the Icon of Heinmann on a BGV Sgt, with 5+ FnP littany and transhuman is going to tank everything and seriously piss some people off. Edited October 6, 2021 by 9x19 Parabellum BLACK BLΠFLY and Kastor Krieg 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Oh man, the Icon of Heinmann on a BGV Sgt, with 5+ FnP littany and transhuman is going to tank everything and seriously piss some people off. we dont know if 5+++ will survive the supplement. but in any way this seems pretty good against Admech Rangers and against DE Witches Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I'm not sure if there will be a points cost, the chaplain is effectively the tax for the relics as that's an hq slot and points taken up. Might be a slight cost increase over regular marine chaplains as well I just can't imagine that is the case. The Chaplain in any form is hardly a tax; he is considered a vaulable force multiplier as is for any BT army, and are thematically fluffy/good as well. Most BT armies contain one or more Chaplains, so they didn't require any more incentives (like free minor relics) to get them pushed into BT armies. Don't get me wrong, I very much hope you're right, but I just can't see them being free. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hit0k1ri Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Which parts of his armour are MkX? I can see only almost primaris-seized Firstborn. The mini’s cool, tho. What part of the lore says that Primaris have to wear Mk X? They don't have a special black carapace. Plus you can put Primaris in the Armour Indomitus which pre-dates the Heresy so this is a non-arguement. 'Cause they don't fit in previous armour marks due to their superior size, compared to dwarf-marines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Which parts of his armour are MkX? I can see only almost primaris-seized Firstborn. The mini’s cool, tho. What part of the lore says that Primaris have to wear Mk X? They don't have a special black carapace. Plus you can put Primaris in the Armour Indomitus which pre-dates the Heresy so this is a non-arguement. 'Cause they don't fit in previous armour marks due to their superior size, compared to dwarf-marines? I imagine some of the bigger firstborn are as big as some of the smaller Primaris. They're not all the same exact height in the lore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I think this set of mini relics will be the equivalent of Special Issue Wargear the other supplements got, so they might cost points like SIW does but I dont think they'll be more than 20pts tops. They affect one model and while the two shown are good they arent worth more than 20pts, the Holy Orb could easily be 10pts imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Which parts of his armour are MkX? I can see only almost primaris-seized Firstborn. The mini’s cool, tho.What part of the lore says that Primaris have to wear Mk X? They don't have a special black carapace. Plus you can put Primaris in the Armour Indomitus which pre-dates the Heresy so this is a non-arguement. 'Cause they don't fit in previous armour marks due to their superior size, compared to dwarf-marines? I imagine some of the bigger firstborn are as big as some of the smaller Primaris. They're not all the same exact height in the lore. The whole size differential thing shoulda never made into lore. Classic marines being ugly midgets was always due to historical baggage in the model designs and the historical choice of 'heroic scale'. It has no place in any lore depictions where marines always were super tall. But we have to obsess over size ("Marines are 8 feet tall!, Custodes are even taller at 9 feet!, and primarchs even taller at 10! And the emprs he was even taller and could self-tall himself at will!") So when newer taller marines arrive, they got to be taller in lore too right? The marine entallment project GW embarked upon also included a gear update, and was given an in lore name as a new breed of marine which pretty much was a mistake. I'm on the primaris train not because the name means anything to me, but that's where the new models are being brought in. Besides that I just want the distinction between OG and Primaris to die off already. Vardus, Khornestar and Mmmmm Napalm 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Which parts of his armour are MkX? I can see only almost primaris-seized Firstborn. The mini’s cool, tho. What part of the lore says that Primaris have to wear Mk X? They don't have a special black carapace. Plus you can put Primaris in the Armour Indomitus which pre-dates the Heresy so this is a non-arguement. 'Cause they don't fit in previous armour marks due to their superior size, compared to dwarf-marines? Go tell that to the giant Firstborn like Silas Albrect of the Exorcists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 The whole size differential thing shoulda never made into lore. Classic marines being ugly midgets was always due to historical baggage in the model designs and the historical choice of 'heroic scale'. It has no place in any lore depictions where marines always were super tall. But we have to obsess over size ("Marines are 8 feet tall!, Custodes are even taller at 9 feet!, and primarchs even taller at 10! And the emprs he was even taller and could self-tall himself at will!") So when newer taller marines arrive, they got to be taller in lore too right? The marine entallment project GW embarked upon also included a gear update, and was given an in lore name as a new breed of marine which pretty much was a mistake. I'm on the primaris train not because the name means anything to me, but that's where the new models are being brought in. Besides that I just want the distinction between OG and Primaris to die off already. I've rather enjoyed the whole lore aspect of Primaris as it's been fleshed out, it explained the massive influx in marines which was needed to boost the imperium back into contention post the rift, it also explained the new toys, as well as added an interesting element to the backstories of the various Primaris Marines. Often the juxtaposition between their outlooks, often from more enlightened times, has given an interesting insight into events. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 The whole size differential thing shoulda never made into lore. Classic marines being ugly midgets was always due to historical baggage in the model designs and the historical choice of 'heroic scale'. It has no place in any lore depictions where marines always were super tall. But we have to obsess over size ("Marines are 8 feet tall!, Custodes are even taller at 9 feet!, and primarchs even taller at 10! And the emprs he was even taller and could self-tall himself at will!") So when newer taller marines arrive, they got to be taller in lore too right? The marine entallment project GW embarked upon also included a gear update, and was given an in lore name as a new breed of marine which pretty much was a mistake. I'm on the primaris train not because the name means anything to me, but that's where the new models are being brought in. Besides that I just want the distinction between OG and Primaris to die off already. I've rather enjoyed the whole lore aspect of Primaris as it's been fleshed out, it explained the massive influx in marines which was needed to boost the imperium back into contention post the rift, it also explained the new toys, as well as added an interesting element to the backstories of the various Primaris Marines. Often the juxtaposition between their outlooks, often from more enlightened times, has given an interesting insight into events. Arguably it also adds some grimdark into Marine stories which have more of a tendancy to devolve into bolter porn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 I think its for free No way it's going to be free Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amocat Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) The whole size differential thing shoulda never made into lore. Classic marines being ugly midgets was always due to historical baggage in the model designs and the historical choice of 'heroic scale'. It has no place in any lore depictions where marines always were super tall. But we have to obsess over size ("Marines are 8 feet tall!, Custodes are even taller at 9 feet!, and primarchs even taller at 10! And the emprs he was even taller and could self-tall himself at will!") So when newer taller marines arrive, they got to be taller in lore too right? The marine entallment project GW embarked upon also included a gear update, and was given an in lore name as a new breed of marine which pretty much was a mistake. I'm on the primaris train not because the name means anything to me, but that's where the new models are being brought in. Besides that I just want the distinction between OG and Primaris to die off already. I've rather enjoyed the whole lore aspect of Primaris as it's been fleshed out, it explained the massive influx in marines which was needed to boost the imperium back into contention post the rift, it also explained the new toys, as well as added an interesting element to the backstories of the various Primaris Marines. Often the juxtaposition between their outlooks, often from more enlightened times, has given an interesting insight into events. I think it’s been handled well in lore, and I always try to keep in mind that the lore follows GW biz decisions not the other way around. GW wants to sell more models leads to: revamp the highest selling line into “true scale” leads to: make up a story to make this decision fit into the fiction. As a fan of the primaris aesthetic (dwarf marines look goofy to me now) I’m glad they did it. I’m looking forward to firstborn and primaris getting split into separate codecies. That book is getting too damn big. Edited October 6, 2021 by Amocat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I think its for free No way it's going to be free yeah. Changed my mind after saw the GK dex. But for just one model it seems not as special. Hopefully its not too expensive because this all hearing very good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 It will cost points instead of CPs. Similar to "pathogen" section in 9th DG book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Which parts of his armour are MkX? I can see only almost primaris-seized Firstborn. The mini’s cool, tho.What part of the lore says that Primaris have to wear Mk X? They don't have a special black carapace. Plus you can put Primaris in the Armour Indomitus which pre-dates the Heresy so this is a non-arguement. 'Cause they don't fit in previous armour marks due to their superior size, compared to dwarf-marines? Go tell that to the giant Firstborn like Silas Albrect of the Exorcists. Or Alexis Polux, in Dornian lineage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd-ad Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) Which parts of his armour are MkX? I can see only almost primaris-seized Firstborn. The mini’s cool, tho.What part of the lore says that Primaris have to wear Mk X? They don't have a special black carapace. Plus you can put Primaris in the Armour Indomitus which pre-dates the Heresy so this is a non-arguement.'Cause they don't fit in previous armour marks due to their superior size, compared to dwarf-marines?Go tell that to the giant Firstborn like Silas Albrect of the Exorcists.Or Alexis Polux, in Dornian lineage. Aren't the Exorcists sons of Dorn themselves? Edited October 7, 2021 by Odd-ad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd-ad Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Either way, as Fulkes and Reclusiarch Krieg have said, we have had large firstborn before, and if I recall correctly the primaris aren't supposed to be too much taller in-universe. So a firstborn as tall as a primaris marine isn't too much of a stretch BitsHammer and Brother Sidonius 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd-ad Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 So after reading the relics article again it seems we'll be getting a tease for Crusade rules tomorrow. Should be interesting, and I'm curious to see what they'll show on Friday Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amocat Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) I think it’s very telling that in the most recent codex the only firstborn infantry models shown are bespoke chapter specific. I think once primaris gets its unit slots filled (flyer etc) they get their own codex. Edited October 7, 2021 by Amocat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amocat Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Change of subject: now that our beloved Templars are cross the rubicon, what kind of primaris units do we think might be coming down the pipe? I’m hoping for a LR crusader analog to carry these big units, a flyer and maybe a new drop pod. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hit0k1ri Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Which parts of his armour are MkX? I can see only almost primaris-seized Firstborn. The mini’s cool, tho.What part of the lore says that Primaris have to wear Mk X? They don't have a special black carapace. Plus you can put Primaris in the Armour Indomitus which pre-dates the Heresy so this is a non-arguement. 'Cause they don't fit in previous armour marks due to their superior size, compared to dwarf-marines? Go tell that to the giant Firstborn like Silas Albrect of the Exorcists. In current timeline, huge Pasanius of Ultramarines uses parts of Mark X armour. Previously, iirc, it was stated that his armour was partly TDA . Still, Pasanius is dwarfed by transformed Uriel Ventris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mattias Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 =][= This is so far off-topic it needs to stop; the primaris debate can be had elsewhere, if people are really desperate to beat that dead horse some more. =][= BLACK BLΠFLY and Marshal Reinhard 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brethren Durion Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Even if I love the idea of Vow and Passion but it feels strange if it's our super doctrine to got a strong debuff on it. Yeah we got the choice to take what we want but, the old abhor the witch look better. And the Accept any challenge look strong ! But don't know if it's strong enough for some player to don't be able to fall (and Shock Assault didn't work anymore with this vow). It's really a good and heavy fluff stuff, I love it, since I started to play due to the fluff... But for more competitive player it gonna be borring I think ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 To get us somewhat back on track with rumours, do we think GW will drop the new Ancient model randomly like they did they chaos sorcerer down the line after the CSM release or do you think they’re waiting to just before? People that have seen the models before hand were surprised by the Castellan so a surprise could still be around the corner too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/82/#findComment-5750566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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