WrathOfTheLion Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Rumor is the better phrase The Word Bearers one better be improved from last edition Cerberus1775 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5786537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Rumor is the better phrase The Word Bearers one better be improved from last edition Heh... the only way they could be worse is if they didnt get a trait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5786539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 All those buffs for obliterators +1 to wound and exploding 6's. Of course I expect flesh metal weapons to see changes when the next book comes, 9th edition seems to do away with allot of randomness as a rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5786567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Some rumours around reddit/fb regarding new doctrine and NL legion rules. Can't speak for their actual veracity, but seem mostly believable stuff - still, word of mouth being what it is, who knows. If it's genuine can't say I'm too thrilled with the doctrine ability - arguably a worse buff than the loyalist -1ap, and with the same turn scaling which I would say doesn't fit, given that overall we are geared more towards getting in combat early on with shooting being secondary. The NL stuff looks nice however, assuming that they mean -1 for Combat attrition tests (making 1-2 or 1-3 a failure), with the nice bonus condition when trying to finish off low strength units or units that are debuffed by the aura enough. To quote from someone on reddit concerning the strat however - 'The stratagem is weird and is less likely than the rest: the "no deep-strike turn 1" is only in Matched play rules not in the core rules. (They never made a stratagem for Matched play only).' I know someone in the know, and these are legit. Also I mathed out the doctrine and it is better in most cases when compared to the SM doctrine. Aeternus and Sarvis 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5786949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinpact Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 As always, more dakka is more better. Curious to see what ends up happening to the Icon of Excess (and the others), though. It's already the best icon on non-World Eaters and I doubt it would break the game to leave it as-is even if the others get brought up to par, but also it seems like the kind of interaction that would get moved to a stratagem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5786983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 ++ I've merged the threads, as the same discussion was happening in both places. ++ Aeternus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 All icons got a facelift Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 All icons got a facelift Got any details about these? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) Vengeance +1 CA Khorne +1ap melee Flame +1ap shooting Excess +1 to hit melee Despair 6s to hit autowound Edited January 21, 2022 by Clockworkchris Iron Father Ferrum, RolandTHTG, WrathOfTheLion and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Vengeance +1 CA Khorne +1ap melee Flame +1ap shooting Excess +1 to hit melee Despair 6s to hit autowound *blink* Okay, I'm down. How about Marks? Are they still keywords or do they actually do something on their own? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Happy days if all Icons are viable like this, providing they are costed right of course :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I wonder if Icon of Vengeance stacks with the night lords rules... that would be nasty - I've had moment that I lost a few blightlords to unlucky rolls, I can't imagine a big terminator unit getting +2 to CA rolls and potentially losing a LOT to morale... And raptors might actually be decent as a late game objective grabberunit - full squad with icon of Khorne and exploding 6s wont be bad, especially as nightlords... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The bight lords one is +1 to ca for the ennemies roll. The vengeance one is +1 for your unit makong them more resilient to CA. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Another cool thing is that chosen are 3w. So we effectively hace BGV equivalents now RolandTHTG and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) The bight lords one is +1 to ca for the ennemies roll. The vengeance one is +1 for your unit makong them more resilient to CA. Got any other legion rules handy? Another cool thing is that chosen are 3w. So we effectively hace BGV equivalents now What about their loadout? What are the limitations? The storm shields and master crafted swords are the things that matter and I don't foresee we'll get either of those options. :-/ Edited January 21, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternus Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The bight lords one is +1 to ca for the ennemies roll. The vengeance one is +1 for your unit makong them more resilient to CA. To clarify, with the night lords do you actually mean +1 for the enemies roll, or mean -1? +1 would kinda kneecap aiming for morale casualties, and I didn't think the NL were scheduled to be the csm punching bags this edition round :P Also thanks for the tables, saw ya post them on the Reddit sub so glad to see them here as well (welcome to the forum ;) ), can see I might've been too dismissive considering the strength of the extra hits, even if it is more swingy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The bight lords one is +1 to ca for the ennemies roll. The vengeance one is +1 for your unit makong them more resilient to CA.To clarify, with the night lords do you actually mean +1 for the enemies roll, or mean -1? +1 would kinda kneecap aiming for morale casualties, and I didn't think the NL were scheduled to be the csm punching bags this edition round :P Also thanks for the tables, saw ya post them on the Reddit sub so glad to see them here as well (welcome to the forum ;) ), can see I might've been too dismissive considering the strength of the extra hits, even if it is more swingy Haha your right, -1 ca for NL and +1 to vengeance. Aeternus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I know quite a few details about the new codex, but i dont want to get my source in trouble. I will drop some more hints later on, but from what i was told, hold on to your butts. Litterally everything I was told gave me a :cuss eating grin, and the things already discussed above are just the beginning. Sarvis and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Vengeance +1 CA Khorne +1ap melee Flame +1ap shooting Excess +1 to hit melee Despair 6s to hit autowound Those...actually seem decent. Does the Icon of Despair work in both shooting and melee? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Vengeance +1 CA Khorne +1ap melee Flame +1ap shooting Excess +1 to hit melee Despair 6s to hit autowound Those...actually seem decent. Does the Icon of Despair work in both shooting and melee? What i wrote is what I know, my guess is yes to both. Mathematically its good on low strenght high volume shots (bolters/chainswords) but also good on anti tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The new icon of despair sounds like the Death Guard sigil of decay, which only applies to bolt weapons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 At a guess, I'd expect it to emulate the Death Guard's Sigil of Decay, which does the following: Each time an attack is made with a bolt weapon by a model in the bearer’s unit, an unmodified hit roll of 6 automatically wounds the target. It's not an effective upgrade. Hopefully the CSM one is not a carbon copy of the above. Bit of a weird situation where the Icon of Despair does a different thing in the DG codex to what it does in the CSM codex (+the CSM IoD acts similarly to the sigil), and the Icon of Flame does a different thing in the TS codex to what it does in the CSM codex, but I'd been expecting this given the interaction the latter has with cabal points in the TS book. Lots to like here if true! 3W Chosen would be interesting; I'm surprised they aren't (don't appear to be, anyway) on 40mm bases if they have a 3W profile though. 3W isn't enough to make the current iteration good on its own as they'll still get mowed down like chaff without an invul but who knows what 9th ed Chosen will have in their favour. Would love it if they all received an Aura of Dark Glory for a 5++ to reflect their status as champions-in-waiting. Either way I'd be happy to see Chosen get a niche all these years after their "coolest unit entry in the game" status was taken away from them. techsoldaten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Vengeance +1 CA Khorne +1ap melee Flame +1ap shooting Excess +1 to hit melee Despair 6s to hit autowound I wouldnt mind some combi flamer terminators with icon of flame. That could get painful with VoTLW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Vengeance +1 CA Khorne +1ap melee Flame +1ap shooting Excess +1 to hit melee Despair 6s to hit autowound I wouldnt mind some combi flamer terminators with icon of flame. That could get painful with VoTLW. Well we don't know yet how the new strats are going to turn out. Pretty exited about the new rumprs. Hungry for more! Wondering what noise marines are going to be like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3W isn't enough to make the current iteration good on its own as they'll still get mowed down like chaff without an invul but who knows what 9th ed Chosen will have in their favour. There's three ways to give a unit a 5++ in the codex right now -- one of which is a huge aura from the Crown that the CA makes much easier to place. Maschinenpriester and Marshal Loss 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/9/#findComment-5787289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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