+ Some Things Are Best Left Forgotten Discussion +

[apologist]

If you draft up info on the planet, I’d happily share it on the blog

[Armond]

If you draft up info on the planet, I’d happily share it on the blog

Who is this directed at? Sorry I don’t see a quote attached!

[apologist]

At The Pariah; but I’d also be delighted to publish ‘Descent’ once Melnyk, the Asp and fellows are painted

[Armond]

At The Pariah; but I’d also be delighted to publish ‘Descent’ once Melnyk, the Asp and fellows are painted

Understood! They are awaiting paint right now. I want to assemble a few more and make a color selection.

[Gamiel]

 

Appreciated!

 

But the link doesn’t seem to work ?!

 

In related news, I think we can assume the colours of FW Avarice are ochre / very light orange, white and black judging from the pics in  the IA: Firebreak?

Hey mate, I'm the author behind FW Avarice and Firebreak and it's a good assumption to make there. Officially they are seen to use those colours but one thing I'll point out is there more clandestine method's. There's nothing to say that there are groups 'hired' by the world that bear their own colours. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have for them mate

What kind of tech are they known for (beside the standard forge world stuff)? Do they have a symbol? Do they have Imperial Knights, and if so can you hire some of them? If you modeled figures from Avarice and was a bit of a converter how would you suggest converting them? If you painted figures from Avarice and was a bit good what would you suggest adding on to truly mark them as from Avarice, beside their main colours?*

 

* If we go with the mentioned Blade Runner inspiration do I suggest that Pris style eye/face paint is very common among the forge worlds people and/or servitors

 

 

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Volnoscere theories:

* Volnoscere is trully a son of the Emperor, but not a Primarch, instead he is one of the whisper-fabled women born children of the Emperor, one of the sensei...

[Xin Ceithan]

Uh, I like the idea of an entire forge world in the Blade Runner aesthetic!

[Gamiel]

This facebook post is about:

+ Conflict in Heliopolis and Morqub +

Tom Knight put things very well when he said:

 

'lore and world building aside for the moment, [...] one of the reasons the Inquisition seem to be the target at the moment is because they're not "someone's." [...]whilst everyone is still putting together [their chapters] there's almost this taboo to say that "my chapter has beaten your chapter x times already."

 

Which is an excellent point. I've set up this thread for people to throw up Guard regiments/PDF forces/non-Imperial forces (e.g. minor xenos of the region) to act as punching bags – or surprisingly tough customers – for the glorious Astartes!

 

Akin to the + Shadow War + post, please post a name and short description of any potential forces you're happy for people to use in their background.

 

I suggest the following form:

[Force name] – [allegiance] – [brief description]

e.g.

'Donian 111th Rifles – Partisan – One of many regiments from Donia that joined the Partisan cause after Volnoscere made a personal landing on the world. Cityfight specialists, equipped with lascarbines and matter-shunt cannons.'

Posting it here (so people don't need to scroll down the facebook flow to find it. 

 

Also since not all of us have Fb so are here what people have posted:

 

Cole Coward

This isn't a specific force, but anyone can feel free to use minor Riven Lords forces (along with their conscripted human militias) for any battles. I have it written so that the chapter is super spread out among various partisan groups (and solo). Most of these groups are of approximately demi-company size (in terms of astartes forces) with several hundred mortal soldiers acting as expendable auxilia. By the end of the war these small "Reaver" forces would be going almost rogue, so most anyone could make a reason to fight against a Reaver vessel.

Cameron Melville

Forge World Avarice - Neutral - serving as a close world to the frontier, Avarice was considered a major supply point for many forces, both partisans and others alike. Many expeditions were scattered across the segmentum due to the world's greed for wealth and knowledge.

Simon Vazquez

I have multiple regiments of Lomex Drop regiments operating against the Void Barons. They specialize in making rapid insertion via Valkyrie and are based on Mortian tanks drop troops. All bravado and living fast, to disastrous results when they finally roll up against astartes.

Michael Mulhall-Rose

Someone can feel free to use an element of the Iron Guard if they'd so please.

The Iron Guard's 4th Warhost, 'They Barren of Torment', led by Castellan Szalai Voss. They're the only element of the Iron Guard that stray away from the main body of the Chapter and the Iron Fleet. They primarily serve in a reconnaissance and intelligence capacity, essentially functioning as light reavers and scouts. They're aboard the Vanguard-class MkII Strike Cruiser 'Malice'.

Gunnar Lopez

Caldrassian Fusilier Regiments: Fought on both sides of the war. Light infantry specialists. Considered steadfast troops, led by officer nobility. Officer rank of lieutenant is purchased by commission but promotions are by merit. Present at numerous engagements with over thirty regiments taking part in the war.

 

I have also posted a link to my Knight Houses post for anybodies use

Edited August 10, 2021 by Gamiel

[Gamiel]

I seems unable to link to this Fb post by apologist but I think it would be good idea for people to see it so I quote it here, it's from January so some of the things mentioned are old news or have now happened: 

 

 

There are a few things that I want to set down – not as limits, I hasten to add, but to provide a few solid spots to kick off. These 'facts' are as malleable as you need them to be, but provide common ground for us all to work from. I'll add to this post as and when I read or think of things that are of use to the broader group.

 

+ HOW CAN FIVE CHAPTERS DEFEAT ELEVEN? +

There's a few elements behind this, which I've discussed with some of you privately – I want to gather the ideas together to give you all something to riff off:

• The High Lords initially send the Five Chapters in the belief that four Chapters have rebelled. On discovering that the rebellion is considerably larger, they are unwilling to deploy more – perhaps for fear of more turning, perhaps simply to minimise the numbers of Chapters who hear of the Primarch. They therefore lift the sanction that the Pentarchy Chapters are limited to 1,000. That has a number of effects that influence the war and general 40k history, amongst which are that the Charnel Guard and Flesh Eaters massively ramp up and speed up their Scout intake; and the Red Talons start to deploy some extremely dubious technomancy... The Carcharadons disappear at the end with the sanction never rescinded (hence their numbers).
• Narratively, this therefore gives us an infinite number of Pentarchy marines. Now, I don't think that should be applied in a sense that they become mooks; but rather to ensure the Pentarchy players can feel that their forces can sustainably be near everywhere at once.
• Some of the Pentarchy Chapters are – like much of the Imperium – badly damaged from the War of the Beast, and either significantly understrength or garrisoned by relative green troops.
• Ambushes and so forth can account for a couple of Partisan Chapters; beyond that I think it's doing the Partisans a disservice – they are, after all, Space Marines themselves. I've always felt that if you want to write a good battle, write it from the other side's point of view first.
• The rest of the Extinction Fleets! Besides the swollen Pentarchy Chapters, there are literally millions of Guardsmen, hundreds of thousands of Ordo Stormtroopers; the majority of two Sector fleets and the cream of the High Lords' own elites – including the (degraded) Solar Auxilia and the Sisters of Silence – all deployed to help shore up the Sectors' own Orthodox-leaning planets. Narratively, a Sector is a massive area, with hundreds of civilised planets; so much of the Extinction Fleets will be charged with clean-up and garrison, rather than attacking; but the Partisans will be hard-pressed to keep their planets safe.
• The Vigilants. This Deathwatch/Grey Knights-like group is a significant size; probably roughly four hundred Astartes strong. If you wish, it might be a fun place to perhaps nod at the presence of (heavily secret) Primaris marines being field-tested?

 

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PARTISAN CHAPTERS?

• They are all rendered extinct by the end of the War, and I suggest that Partisan players come up with a particular cool 'death scene' that you can lead towards.
• There can of course be individual survivors – perhaps mind-wiped, turned to Blackshields, or slipping away and becoming rebels, but it is important to the theme of the War that the Partisans are, to all intents and purposes – wiped out. It's key to the idea of loss of innocence and wonder that a potential 'nicer' Imperium is brutally repressed.

 

WHAT IS THE TRUE NATURE OF VOLNOSCERE AND THE SILVER STARS?

• I've said before that I regard the Primarch largely as a macguffin – he's a plot device rather than a character. The reason for that is that the concept of a 'Lost Primarch' is so invested with expectation that it'll inevitably disappoint.
• As a result, I suggest that you treat him in your narratives as a 'generic' genuine Primarch – so super-charisma, genius strategist, serious daddy issues... you name it.. Feel free to hint at 'II' and 'XI's (isn't it interesting that he's got eleven following him) – and throw in as many 40k conspiracy theories as you like, but please keep them in-character – i.e. your characters' beliefs rather than god-level statements.
• Similarly, I'd prefer if interactions with the Primarch are only heard second-hand – so Chapter officers discussing the Primarch's wonderful rousing speech, rather than the reader witnessing that speech.
• If you want to throw some mysticism around, he's based on the Tarot card of The Wheel of Fortune; the planet Jupiter (that's the weird 4 symbol on the first Silver Stars); and you should feel free to invest some Hawaiian/Pacific Island concepts in, too.
• Likewise, the Silver Stars can be treated as a 'generic' Legion; they definitely have more than 1,000 marines – narratively there's an infinite number; so feel free to kill them off willy-nilly, have your troops bail them out etc.

 

IF WE'RE TREATING THE SILVER STARS AS A LEGION-STRENGTH FORCE LED BY A GENUINE PRIMARCH, WHY AREN'T THEY DOING THE FIGHTING THEMSELVES?

• In short, because they're doing something else! The Silver Stars have their own agenda, and will happily throw their own marines into a grinder, abandon their allies, and generally act in a most mercurial way in pursuit of it.
• This can be played up as you wish – more devoted Chapters like the Riven Lords might see Volnoscere's actions as beyond fault – 'We simply can't fathom His unbelievable mastery of war' – while more sceptical Chapters might be more concerned; perhaps even having second thoughts.

 

OTHER FUN THINGS

• Minotaurs! Samuel Brody-Boyd is bringing the Minotaurs to play. The riff here is that this Chapter is not really the same Chapter as we're now familiar with. Rather it's a Chapter that will be rendered extinct during the war and be recycled.
• Death Eagles – I'd like to address the two different colour schemes of the Death Eagles at some point.

 

EDIT: here is a link to the post 

Edited August 12, 2021 by Gamiel

[apologist]

Gamiel – I realised I haven't been replying, but wanted to thank you for collating this material; it's really useful for me when trying to track things! There's so much material scattered across Faceboo, Instagram, private messages, emails... and lovely to have it carefully rounded up like this :) Cheers!

[Gamiel]

This Fb post by Peter DH (if he is here don't I know his handel) is from January but I think the discussion can still be of interest for peole to read:

 

Council of the High Lords of Terra, The Senatourm Imperialis. The High Lords of Terra are the twelve highest ranked officials of the most powerful adepta of the Imperium.

During this war who is on the council? What are the thoughts of the council? They are never usually in total agreement. Some will be for the return of a Primarch, others will fear for their own powerbase, others still will genuinely believe the false primarch to be dangerous, deviant, a trick of chaos.

These nine are almost always permanent :

1. The Master of the Adeptus Administratum
2. The Representative of the Inquisition
3. The Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum
4. The Fabricator-General of the Adeptus Mechanicus
5. The Grand Provost Marshal of the Adeptus Arbites
6. The Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators
7. The Master of the Astronomican
8. The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum
9. The Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica

The rest are usually filled by three of the following:

• Lord Commander of the Segmentum Solar
• Lord Commander Militant of the Astra Militarum
• Lord High Admiral of the Imperial Navy
• Cardinal(s) of the Holy Synod of Terra
• Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes
• Chancellor of the Estate Imperium
• Speaker for the Chartist Captains (representative of the Imperium's merchants)

Position 10:

The Speaker for the Chartist Captains has been on the council for a number of years, his term of nomination is close to finishing. He wishes to continue in this powerful role. He has been petitioned by the chartist fleets of Segmentum Pacificus to praise their recently frequent saviour. Initially he is in favour of the inspirational leader of an unknown Astates forces battling off Xenos and Pirates. He is no traitor to the Imperium and when the vote is counted he is sympathetic to Volnoscere but toes the line. To try and ensure his longevity in post and the votes from Segmentum Pacificus he turns a blind eye to some rumours he hears of the Pacificus chartist fleet aiding the traitors.

Does anyone else want to nominate an adapta to fill the final two positions on the council during this turbulent time?

Does anyone want to put their view point and motivation onto a high lord? For example, I know Edd views the Mechanicus to be neutral. We know that eventually the majority voted to destroy the Partisans.

Would be great to hear your thoughts.

 

and here are peoples comments:

Lars Jørgen Dahl

I reckon that the captain-general, if part of the council at the time, would vote for extermination. As I assume most custodians would still have issues with the astartes and their "flexible" loyalties.

I also believe that the ecclesiarch would be pro extermination. Considering that the ministorum is at this point still quite the fledgling organization compared to the others. So in a play to consolidate and cement his power base (and maybe also due to actual religious reasons, abomination and all that), I think he or she would not want the false primarch and the partisans to continue to draw breath.

Lars Jørgen Dahl I definitely agree that the Captain-General would vote for extermination, Custodes view astartes with disdain and they've already seen traitors too many times to let a group like the Partisans survive.

 

Edd Ralph

Thanks for kicking off the conversion, Peter DH. I'd dearly love to see at least some models to represent the High Lords – it's an aspect of 40k that has rarely, if ever, been tackled; and I think it's ripe for realisation.

'Nero-Gollos, the Fabricator-General', has been mentioned – as stated, he/she/it is equivocal on the Primarch; at least initially.

The Grand Provost Marshal and the Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica are also mentioned; and are (at least openly) vocally anti-Primarch.

I known Dan Joshua has some plans for the Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators, and I believe he's made a start on things. Isaac Tobin – fancy bouncing some ideas around?

 

Brenton Clifford

I think the Inquisition, oddly should be neutral. Something to imply that they may know the Truth, but can't say.

Edd Ralph

Brenton Clifford There will certainly be Inquisitors on both sides; but whether that translates to the Inquisitiorial Representative risking his position of influence might be another thing. I'd err towards the Inquisition as a whole condemning the Primarch as a risk – though perhaps not so vociferously as (say) the Custodes; Guard or Navy.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Gamiel

[Gamiel]

This facebook post is about Volnoscere:

For those eager to learn more about Volnoscere in order to develop their Chapter’s/factions reaction to him, I wanted to share some of my points of inspiration.

 

Firstly, this fantastic ‘what-if’ analysis of the Primarchs with relation to the tarot. I believe this was written within a couple of years of ‘Horus Rising’ being released, off the rather off-hand note of Horus’s Sagittarius ring. The theory is fascinating, and throws up some lovely coincidences. I’ve thrown a bit of ‘X - Fortune’ into my interpretation of Volnoscere.

 

http://menducia.atspace.com/primarchs/X.html

 

Secondly, I wanted to tie things into existing references as far as possible. The Silver Stars is a pretty cheesy name, all things considered – but no more so than ‘Blood Angels’ or ‘World Eaters’. It’s simple, iconic, and references human universals. Similarly, Volnoscere’s name comes from ‘Volo Noscere’ – or ‘I want to know’. It’s a little reference to the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn; an occult group of the late nineteenth/early twentieth centuries of which Aleister Crowley was a part (incidentally, he took the name Perdurabo, or ‘I will endure to the end’). The key to the project is that – for a number of reasons – people both in- and out-of-universe want to know who and what Volnoscere is; and what he represents.

 

Thirdly, the entire conceit of mystery. Mystery is vitally important to the Primarchs, and I don’t want to spoil that. With very few exceptions, all the Lost Primarch stories I’ve read have gone too far in explaining who and what the Lost Legions are; and have therefore lost the mystique. For this project, it’s largely irrelevant whether Volnoscere is or isn’t a real Primarch. Instead, I’d encourage you to fold in hints and oblique references to your favourite Lost Primarch theories as you work out why your Chapter follows or opposes the Silver Stars. Think that scene in ‘Braveheart’, when William Wallace confronts a doubter by saying he’d shoot fireballs from his eyes and lightning from his arse!

Edited August 12, 2021 by Gamiel

[Gamiel]

Today’s update from the front covers the broad strokes of Warzone Kadath – if you’ve got anything that would fit a battle over a Forgeworld (like, say, a Knight), then post ‘em up here

 

https://warofthefalseprimarch.blogspot.com/2021/07/updates-from-front-uncivil-war.html?m=1

 

On Fb Kadath is described as:

Edd Ralph

Anton Bexelius The upcoming Warzone article will go into them in a bit more detail (as that's the stage where I flesh things out, often on the spot!), but the image I have is a sort of middle eastern version of the opening scenes to the film 'Bladerunner' – lots of narrow streets between immense structures crowded with neon and hastily-set up stalls. It's a border world, near to a lot of wilderness space, so it's both relatively cosmopolitan in terms of its approach to the rest of the region, and quite diverse in terms of its inhabitants. Planets are big, after all; and this is a key regional forgeworld. Not being particularly militarised, it's a space where differing Mechanicus philosophies can be discussed, and even challenged.

Nick Tregidgo

Anton Bexelius Edd Ralph it's a world of vast basalt continents and acrid seas. The forges themselves are vast cyclopean edifices decked in neon and Mechanicus runes. I agree with Edd that they're relatively liberal forge world, they worship the Machine God, in the form of Legatum Lator or the Lawmaker. The main forges are dedicated to the construction of highly specialised cogitators, things that run code to harden reality against outside intrusion.

They're considered a strange branch of the Mechanicus, but due to their expertise in these esoteric areas and manufacturing techniques they're left relatively alone.

 

And now I realise that I confused Avarice with Kadath in my earlier post where I mentioned that Avarice had "Blade Runner inspiration", my mistake.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Gamiel

[Gamiel]

This Fb post is about:

+ The Shadow War +

Quick post to collect together ‘Shadow War’ stuff – if you have an Inquisitor or other non-Astartes figure you'd like to write about or create, here's the place to record them.

 

This includes the various Ordos of the Inquisition; but also anything related to behind-the-scenes stuff like assassins, High Lord agents etc. If you’ve got any organisations or individuals you’d like others to thread into their work, please record them below, with a brief explanation (two–three sentences).

This should cover: What they look like (so people can make models); what they do (so people can write about them); How they read/relate to events.

 

Importantly, this is intended as a resource thread, so please flag whether you have/intend to make the character or group yourself. Otherwise, we'll assume things posted here are intended for others to use for reference in writing and modelling.

Of note is that the Ordo Hereticus does not yet exist; indeed the whole structure of the Inquisition is fairly loose. So far we've mentioned (and shout/comment if you'd like to add something added) the Ordo Astartes; Ordo Propter. Peter DH – anything you'd care to add here?

 

and here are some of peoples comments:

Edd Ralph

Choreopsan Nomads – religiously-minded followers of Volnsocere. Baseline humans from the Civilised world of Choreopsis, these pilgrims were instrumental in spreading the word of the coming of the Silver Stars, and converting many in the Morqub sector to the Partisan

Edd Ralph

Vigilants – MIlitant order of the Inquisition sworn to the Senatorum Imperialis (that is, the High Lords) directly. Like the Deathwatch, they are made up a group of individual Astartes from various Chapters. Vigilants are marked by red helms with yellow and black stripes down the centre (a la the Rogue Trader Military Police), the rest of their armour remaining the colours of their Chapter.

Edd Ralph

Marines Mendicant – an Honour Guard/secret service formed by Volnoscere from particularly loyal Partisans. Formed following the assassination attempt against him on Ishim, during the Deplhurnam War. They're granted the use of the Silver Star (Chapter icon of the Silver Stars), and can bear the skull-headed Eagle on their armour.

Cameron Melville

(Just as a note, I am in the progress of making the model however if people want to use him as either an ally or rival for battles or even as a source of information then feel free to.)

Senechal Rhenn Strest, Last Son of Frith

Serving as Equerry of the Firebreak, Rhenn would be elavated to the Marines Mendicant due to his skills at dealing with insurgencies and working in tangent with baseline human forces. The Equarry would end up being captured during the final moments of the War, fighting on even after his Chapter fell.

 

Dennis Klothen

Could you please expand on the characteristics of the Ordo propter and ordo astartes?

Peter DH

Dennis Klothen Formed in M32 the Ordo Astartes monitor the loyal Adeptus Astartes. Formed to watch and monitor following the reforming of the Imperial Fists legion, breaking the codex astartes, during the War of the Beast. Use blackmail/ manipulation to ensure marines are available to fight the wars of the Imperium. Watching the Pentarchy of Blood ensuring they are not swayed by the false Primarch or causing unnecessary collateral damage for the Tithe must be maintained even in war.

Edd Ralph

Dennis Klothen The Ordo Propter is charged with investigating and maintaining the extent of the Imperium's borders. It was originally formed to maintain and oversee the astrocartographic records following the Horus Heresy – in short, to make sure the Imperium was where it was meant to be. Officially, they're not particularly interested in stopping it expanding or contracting; more that the records for its extent is accurate. Of course, within that remit, there are various philosophies; ranging from those that simply operate in the weird neither-this-nor-that of the galactic halo frontiers to those that attempt to firmly delineate and fortify existing or historical borders.

 

Peter DH

854.M33 The Dissenting Voice - Inquisitor Syynold unmasked as a supporter of Volnsocere [Declared Excommunicate Traitoris – follower of the Horusian ideal, missing assumed dead////missing presumed dead +++OVERRIDE+++ PRESUME NOTHING+++] Following Syynold’s Excommunication there were fewer unexplained disruptions to the Imperium’s strategy and execution of the war.

 

Isaac Tobin

I'm interesting in building a High Lord of Terra. I could see doing pretty much any of them, as narrative dictates. Obviously I'd have a conceptual head start with the Paternoval Envoy, but I believe that's already been spoken for. The other option would be to do an Envoy from an rival/outcast/ambitious Navigator house that sides with the Partisans in a bid for greater power in a future new imperial order.

Peter DH

Isaac Tobin I'd love to see your take on any high lord that wasn't a navigator (they also say a change is as good as a rest!) just to see what you create. I also like the idea of a navigator family vying for power siding with Volnoscere.

I decided that a chunk of the Chartist Fleet within the sector are now secretly supporters of the Primarch for the services he gave them pre war, fighting back Xenos and pirate fleets. Perhaps they have petitioned the High Lord - Speaker for the Chartist Captains (representative of the Imperium's merchants) to vote against the war.

Edd Ralph

Isaac Tobin Great; I’d love to see your talents turned to one of the High Lords. As Peter DH says, a change is as good as a rest, and it’d be lovely to see something non-Navigator from you. That way we could use your existing Navigators to illustrate material, but also have something new.

 

Peter DH

837.M33

Message received...secure data burst. Route: automatic hidden relay via Carnal Guard Battle Barge Invictrix. Encryption: Inquisitorial cypher 738488.34. Date:837.M33. Recipients: Inquisitor Tsova, Inquisitor Kurse.

Inquisitors. See attached vid file. [Description - traitoris perdita & astartes munitorum containers boarding chartist vessels Swift Light and Hedorspur] As we suspected the chartist fleet are surreptitiously supporting Volnoscere. The so-called Marines Mendicant are using the fleet to infiltrate Imperium held territory. Plan cappa initiated and executed successfully within mission parameters: Pentarchy forces intercepted these vessels and officially captured three astartes and passed to Inquisitor Lord Leong-Casser, for interrogation and judgement. Seven Marines Mendicant killed in action.

Unofficially, I have taken another Astartes, Star Wardens chapter, and the senior chartist crew to our interrogation facilities. embedded subfile - interrogation - Captain Klyden, Hedorspur. [Description - Outcome: Elements of the chartist fleet have supported the false primarch prior to his denouncement by the High Lords, list of nine other captains]. Mistress, I am now making arrangements to investigate the list of vessels given to me during the interrogations. Interrogation of the Star Warden Astartes is ongoing.

Regards Explicator Ceric Haydren

 

Peter DH

An idea that has been brewing for a few days. Lars Jørgen Dahl its of course up to you. Plus I'm not sure if Edd Ralph has any further plans for Dain Mir. The Inheritors and the Eldar of Dain Mir.

The farseers of the Dain Mir observed the lines of fate and prophesised that the Inheritors would bring doom to their craftworld. The Eldar carried out numerous raids and feints to bring the Inheritors to their trap, at Hong-Qi. None of the farseers scryings gave any indication of the Silver Star or the being leading them.

Throughout the war the Eldar harried the Inheritors causing gradual but sustained losses to the Chapter. Though this did nothing to stop the end of Dain Mir at the hands of Jarnail Ancient Solarion of the Inheritors space marine chapter.

780.M33 The Inheritors only crime against the Imperium was the chance witnessing of the Silver Stars fleet AY-0975B as it intervened in the Battle of Hong-Qi. The Inquisitional forces that targeted the Inheritors were originally assigned to track and if possible ensnare the Silver Star. The Inquisition rerouted their forces to censure the Inheritors for there was to be no unauthorised visual contact with the Silver Star fleet.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Gamiel

[Gamiel]

 

Says “This content is temporarily not available” ..but, yes , since I am not on Facebook at all ( for professional reasons ) that might be a major stumbling block.

Here is what the post says:

 

[[DATA-SPOOLING]]

[[VOX-RECORD-LOADED]]

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>>Helepolian

>>Gas Giant

>>Classification XXVIII Forgeworld

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“Long before the imperium reached Helepolian, before the boots of terra-born warlords of transhuman, and godly pedigree walked her halls. Long before her back was broken - and the collapse - this mighty forge had toiled. Toiled ceaselessly, for years uncounted, for generations unremembered and numberless. This is not to say mankind did not dwell here, delving into the deepest foundry-labyrinths, or into the high, treacherous spires. The stain of human habitation remains.

Ancient Opus Machina are etched into the blackened iron bulkheads, such sigils predate even the Treaty of Olympus. Such a grandiose discovery garnered the attention of many, and many flocked to pillage Helepolian chambers.

Much like the navis-nobilite, or the cult-mechanicus, Helepolian’s children stood defiant in the face of he-upon-terra, resisting the assaults of the Xth astartes legion. When he-upon-terra loosed his custodian guard into Helepolian, those within the great forge detonated charges within multiple reactors, scattering irreplaceable ancient industrial works into the void - rendered worthless - molten slag.

The Helepolian-Covenant was signed, and the great Helepolian gifted the imperium treasures unseen, and - in time- the great reconstruction began.

Now, it is the 33rd millennium, the body-twisters have plagued us for years. Not one inch of our hallowed ground is given freely - without blood, and death. Blood and bodies are currency to be spent, all in service of repelling the great enemy. The degenerate, godless, Xeno-spawn Thurgth’Tang.

The Imperium has returned, in service of the godling Volnoscere…

Perhaps he might offer us aid.”

-Attributed to the personal vox-records of Field-Captain Sciron “Blackfish” Medu of The 207th Geneclad Lancers.

-Dated 820.M33.

-Recovered 837.M33

[[VOX-RECORD-END]]

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The first Helepolian war dated approximately 838.M33, twenty-two years prior to the “official” beginning of the War of the False Primarch, dated 860.M33.

Current lore musings from myself regarding this particular war, plus the wonderful lore snippets from Edd Ralph label this war as the largest conflict of its time, no doubt eclipsed by the brewing civil war on the horizon. During this conflict, as stated by Edd, The chapters Firebreak and Jade Talons reveal themselves to be supporting Volnsocere, gutting a significant section of** Battlefleet Morqub**.

So, I’m laying foundations for the first Helepolian war in which the Partisan-Legion takes control of the ancient and indisputably powerful forge-world of Helepolian and her neighboring tithe-worlds.

The primary non-imperial belligerents of this war are the void-spawned Xeno race Thurgth’Tang, however with the combined might of numerous Astartes chapters and imperial elements, the race is swiftly exterminated over the course of a number of years.

This military coup enacted by the Firebreak and Jade Talons will be the closing actions of this war.

 

 

Adding the comments to the post:

Michael Mulhall-Rose

The predator-fleet of the Iron Guard has forever hunted as a whole since the days of the death of Remény. Their gunmetal warships prowl the waves of the void as hunter-seekers. Lighter class vessels may roam ahead of the main bulk of the Chapter fleet, which despite the loss of two Battle Barges prior to the war is still a hefty armada of offensive flotilla. I want them to be a permanent menace in space, harassing and antagonising opposing forces as they duck in and out of the Warp on successful void-raids.

 

I'll talk to you some more specifically Dan but I'd be very happy to see the Iron Guard utilised here however necessary knowing they're a part of the conflict at this point and knowing their speciality (which is strictly explained in the little Index I made for them too if you need to know more).

 

Anton Bexelius

Any thoughts about Helepolian's colours, symbol/s, military forces, specialisation, tech they are known for and/or culture?

Do they have a Titan legion? Any knight houses of their own? Any Questor Mechanicus House from other worlds bound to Helepolian?

Dan Joshua

Anton Bexelius Heyo! Sorry late reply, So, Helepolian-Mechanicum specific colours are a sort of viridian/sea green and black, think sons of horus put perhaps darker. Their military force is a largely infantry based force of Skitarii, although with notably less cybernetic tampering but rather gene-tampering bordering on cloning and similar tech-heresies, alongside this Helepolian also produced in its prime some of the most powerful and sophisticated Neutron-beam caliber weapons available to the budding imperium of M31. The culture of the forgeworld is left largely ambiguous by design, but due to the nature of gene-forging and neutron weaponry they're largely isolated and secretive, deemed "Dangerously Anomalous" by more orthodox elements of the Mechanicum/Mechanicus.

Dan Joshua

Alongside this, Helepolian has a small Titan Legion and knight house, whilst I've not named nor schemed either if you intend to do these, go wild! truly.

 

 

also, regarding the Thurgth’Tang xenos are they described a bit in this post, and here is the quote:

Aerosolized gore hung in the air, despite the corridor being exposed to the void it was humid. Heat from leaking starship engines pierced all spaces. Bolter shells screamed through the airless chambers, there was no sound, but the thrum of heavy weapons rattled the very fabric of the scene.

 

Six hours had past, each hour marked by indefinable violence. The Star Wardens had combined their strikeforce with void-specialized elements of the Iron Guard.

Advancing astartes carved through the Xeno infested station with troubling uncertainty.

 

Shield-Captain Agnon Reesc led the primary assault cadre, seconded by Breach-Sergeant Dullon Brut of the Iron Guard. The pair were kindred spirits, carving through the slime choked, spongy flesh of the Thurgth’Tang. Chainswords roared with tremendous power, choking upon gelatinous flesh, Powerswords reported equal results; flesh bubbling and melting as the blades cleaved wildly in wide arcs.

 

The Mollusc-like Xeno were known as body twisters, infesting human bodies and warping them into chimeric shadows of once biological stability.

 

[[iNQUISITORIAL-DATA-SPOOLING]]

[[The extermination of the Thurgth’Tang was marked as a campaign of fundamental importance during The Abomination’s rise to power, and influence, in the Helepolian Sub-Sector.]]

[[Pictured bellow: Shield-Captain Agnon Reesc.]]

[[Note: Star Warden specific armour pattern. MKIV-II “Tower” armour.]]

Edited August 12, 2021 by Gamiel

[Bjorn Firewalker]

The "Extract from the Disgraced Lion Testimony" is well-written. The model is well done.

[Xin Ceithan]

Thanks for summarizing and editing the FB posts!

There is really a lot of Information to process here.

 

But I have to admit that I am even more intrigued by the statement of Kadath being the Blade Runner reference, which with the new material above gives it a feeling of a film noir / Casablanca / cyberpunk flair …I could easily see some sort of Warhammer Crime stories set there and it is a great set up for some shady deals and back stabbing, Before the war, at least. From the excerpt, there is’t much (anything? ) of it after the Charnel Guard and Wormwood Sons are finished there!

Edited August 12, 2021 by Xin Ceithan

[Gamiel]

from this Fb post:

 

Peter DH

 

Strands of the Shadow War - Post High Conclave.

Date 779. M33

 

Inquisitor Tsova, as requested. Rescribed for data package to Lord Inquisitor Leong-Cassar. Pertinent communiques from your Interrogators, arranged by date. Headers and decryptions removed. Scriptor Ahmes

 

Date:775.M33

Location: Hever  Void Station “Heliopolis Reach”

 

Ma’am

 

It is like following a trail of breadcrumbs. The path laid down in the Lord Inquisitor’s data-packet is lost here in the Heliopolis Sector. I’ve traversed the locations and links given to you and found nothing new of value. The void ships are long gone, their destinations clouded through multitude of static and misdirection. The few crew I have been able to locate are dead or know nothing, bribes nor interrogation found leverage.

 

I am moving across the Nonesuch Rift to the Morqub Sector. My route Strabo’s Star, Molotov and Somnos.

 

Deductor Euris Falarn

 

Date: 776.M33

Location: Oblitus Vega: Navel base

 

Mistress

 

I have been to Forbearance, Broddiwelt and Oblitus Vega. There is chatter, rumour and hope across the worlds I have visited here in the Morqub sector and its subs. There is talk of a Primarch defending the sector from pirates and xenos. No one seems to be aware of how these rumours started. No confirmed sightings, only xenos corpses. My judgement is that these worlds are looking for a greater protection and want to believe, in these desperate times. Given, even minor, proof they would follow this Primarch.

 

Explicator Ceric Haydren

 

Date: 777.M33

Location: Strabo’s Star  Strabo’s Word  The Lord Governor’s Palace

 

Ma’am

 

An apparently unknown Adeptus Astartes Chapter defeated an Ork Warlord in the region of Szandor’s Fault [attached memento pict-capture – taken from the Governor Helligan’s private collection]. As you can see a blurry, almost silhouetted, image of an Adeptus Astartes butchering an Ork. Tech-adept Ba1c-n extrapolated recolouring. If accurate, the blue and white power armour does not match any known chapters operating in this area of Segmentum Pacificis*. Should these Astartes prove real I believe Governor Helligan would support them, venerate them, they likely saved this world and system from Xenos occupation or destruction.

 

My conclusion is the ruling class here and in other subs**; they all desire this rumoured saviour to be true. I am confident any investigations further rimward will find similar stories and events. It feels that an unseen hand is directing these events to sow rebellion from the Imperium. The ruling elite are being subtly indoctrinated. I have been unable to discover where or how this insidious meme is spreading.

 

* [sub-files: Adeptus Astartes of the Morqub Sector} Firebreak, Inheritors, Red Fish, Wormwood Sons]

 

** [sub-file – compiled evidence - intercepted communications and observations]

 

Deductor Euris Falarn

 

Date: 777.M33

Location: Hubris  Hubris Prime  Adrogare

 

Mistress

 

By sheer fluke I have a definitive lead, blessed be the Emperor. My team and I had just arrived on Hubris. We were traversing the dwell block district of Adrogare, capitol city of Hubris Prime, on foot. The steam-line terminal had been struck by revolutionaries, the local enforcers had shut down the entire network. We were moving though a market area and we literally came across a crowd listening to a fanatic, a preacher. A common sight across the Imperium; he was venerating the God Emperor and the Primarchs, I paid it no mind. Just before leaving ear shot Solite Kalyn heard the words “…Volnoscere had returned to bring enlightenment the Emperor’s domain. His Silver Stars will secure him the Emperor’s realm…”. We returned and listened until the preacher finished [sub-file – vidcoder of the sermon].

 

We furtively shadowed the preacher to his dwellings, a rundown dormitory for mendicants of the Ecclesiarchy. Over the course of three days we observed the dwellings and identified eleven preachers following the same creed and promoting the return of Volnoscere. I used your authority to induct a unit of Adeptus Arbites to aid me in capturing the clerics for interrogation. My interrogations have proven useful. They refer to themselves as celebrants. Half the group are from Choreopsis, it is from there this creed has spread. With the exception of the aforementioned claims I find nothing else heretical about their version of the Imperial religion. The Chreopsis cult have members actively courting nobility. I will gain access to one of these so called “high celebrants” and see if they know more.

 

Explicator Ceric Haydren

 

Date: 777.M33

Location: Acylus  Statim  Amoveatur Dock District

 

Ma’am

 

Following your missive and update regarding Haydren’s Interrogations. I are going to attempt to relocate to Choreopsis. People-runners and cold traders have made is clear that few travel to Choreopsis. However, many pilgrim vessels leave. A cold trader named Saramus Curlon, Master of the vessel Aeolus, has agreed to try and smuggle me and Astropath Uilen.

 

Deductor Euris Falarn

 

Date 779.M33

Location: Choreopsis  Choreopsis  Crowland Cathedral District

Choreopsis has turned. Their cults have infiltrated M and H Sectors. Volnoscere a traitor to the High Lords. I have witnessed. Silver Stars – legion strength. Searching for something. Hong Qi – Silver Stars void fleet. Approximation 9.997.760.M33. Submerging into the population, searching for resistance. EF

Edited August 17, 2021 by Gamiel

[Dizzyeye01]

 

 

Appreciated!

 

But the link doesn’t seem to work ?!

 

In related news, I think we can assume the colours of FW Avarice are ochre / very light orange, white and black judging from the pics in  the IA: Firebreak?

Hey mate, I'm the author behind FW Avarice and Firebreak and it's a good assumption to make there. Officially they are seen to use those colours but one thing I'll point out is there more clandestine method's. There's nothing to say that there are groups 'hired' by the world that bear their own colours. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have for them mate

What kind of tech are they known for (beside the standard forge world stuff)? Do they have a symbol? Do they have Imperial Knights, and if so can you hire some of them? If you modeled figures from Avarice and was a bit of a converter how would you suggest converting them? If you painted figures from Avarice and was a bit good what would you suggest adding on to truly mark them as from Avarice, beside their main colours?*

 

* If we go with the mentioned Blade Runner inspiration do I suggest that Pris style eye/face paint is very common among the forge worlds people and/or servitors

 

 

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Volnoscere theories:

* Volnoscere is trully a son of the Emperor, but not a Primarch, instead he is one of the whisper-fabled women born children of the Emperor, one of the sensei...

 

 

Sorry for the late reply mate, it's been a busy couple of days on my end  . To answer your questions....

 

1. One of the bigger pieces of tech that Avarice has a molopoly on is parts tied to the Throne Mechanicum. It is also said the Forge Tyrant and other officials within the world claim dominance using Logic Thrones which are in essence servers which can be used to direct commands to their subjects. Which leads onto 3. which I'll get to shortly.

 

2. In terms of symbols, it's similar to your standard bronze skull surrounded by a circle of cogs with one half being white and the other black. There are variations depending on the tech priest but for the most part that's what I've come up with so far.

 

3. Now, as for Imperial Houses. Due to their unique place with tech, Imperial Knights are connected in one way or the other, whether that's through he life debts they've made or other means. Avarice is the centre of a web of connections that tie the houses together so if one falls out of lie another could take care of them, in a manner of speaking.

 

4. In terms of converting/painting some Avaracians, the first thing I'd say at least is that you wouldn't expect them to be typical skitarii and such. They would very much keep their implants covered in order to gain the element of surprise. Just as an example, I kitbashed a group of rangers using a mix of the base skitarii (Back torso, helmet, backpack) mixed in with the scions box (Legs, front torso, arms, rifle). I'd use them as general mercs but in short there's a full variety of types in Avarice, you've got your heavy lifters etc. Everyone has a use and can be used. I do like the thought of using the pris paint style to cover the face a little so that could definitely work, especially with a combo of hoods too.   

 

Hopefully, that answers your questions mate. Now I'll just need to properly pull my thoughts together, no pressure   

[Dagoth Ur]

 

 

• Volnoscere is the body of Ferrus Manus, kept in animus by fanatic/mad Iron Hands using forbidden archeotech, in time the body regenerated a new head (either thanks to Primarch physiognomy combined with the unnatural circumstances or because of mad experiments by his necromancers). This new head have glimpses of Ferrus knowledge/understanding combined with things it has picked up, in both natural and unnatural ways, but is not Ferrus. It has powers that Ferrus never had and don’t even know that it was ones Ferrus Manus. Volnoscere "knows" that its one of the Emperor’s sons but don’t know, or really think about, why it disappeared and now has returned. It is not truly alive, nor dead, and need a special made armour and constant doses of alchemicals to stay in animus. The Silver Stars are mostly decendents of the Iron Hands and Blackshields that ones reanimated it and keept it hidden and secret from everybody else, but Volnoscere have an unconscious ability to make those that are near it share in its illusion (especially space marines) so any marine that stay to close to it for too long begin to believe that they are Silver Stars legionaries – this is how Volnoscere came with a Space Marine Legion from seemingly nowhere.

If, and I say "if" here, this theory is true, do the Red Talons know about this? If no, how would they react if/when they found out? If yes, maybe they really want to be there when Volnoscere dies so the they can destroy anything that could led back to them and/or the Iron Hands? If so maybe they are sabotaging for other Pentarchy members so they will not be there for the final battle?

Heya, just to chime in regarding this particular bit - if and, I mean if, ol' Volni is a corpse puppet of Ferrus, then he won't be the only one in the theatre.

 

Auld Autek Mor has some plans for his dead father too :>

[Gamiel]

from this Fb, from maj:

Partisans! Running a Segmentum-wide war is quite complex (who could have foreseen?), so I wanted to collect some basic contact info for collaboration here, along with a (extremely) brief summary of what your Chapters are – my elevator pitch, if you will, for why your Chapters fit. I hope that this format also helps those struggling to find a route into the project a little – do feel free to contact me if you'd like to brainstorm.

 

Since the project has begun, I think we have collectively developed things, and stuff has (naturally) drifted. My summary is necessarily curt, and misses out all the wonderful depth and subtlety that's developed (apologies!), but will allow people a quick way to 'get' your Chapter for writing their own material, as well as ensure that I properly characterise your Chapter in broader articles.

 

Please read over it, and if you would like me to change it, post your preferred summary in the comments, and I'll update things. It must be in the format below, please.

 

Finally, if I have missed you(!) out entirely, or got your real/Instagram details wrong, please accept my apologies and correct me in the comments (or privately, if you prefer) so I can properly credit/contact you.

 

THE QUADRARGENTA

Inheritors – Lars Jørgen Dahl (@lars.j.dahl)

• Character: Noble, upstanding, bold
• Aesthetics: Slavic, Sikh
• Attitude to Volnoscere: Devoted

Red Fish – Mike Fitzgerald (@eatdrinkdeath)

• Character: Humanitarian, considered
• Aesthetics: classic Astartes
• Attitude to V: Sincere followers

Riven Lords – Cole Coward (@sharkamanderminis)

• Character: straightforward, increasingly ruthless
• Aesthetics: classic Astartes
• Attitude to V: Sincere followers

Void Barons – Simon Vazquez (@Vazzy/HeresyHobbyHeadquarters)

• Character: single-minded, bloodthirsty
• Aesthetics: piratical
• Attitude to V: Pragmatic alliance

 

THE STEEL OF HELIOPOLIS

Star Wardens – Dan Joshua (@dark_isles)

• Character: Esoteric, tenebrous
• Aesthetics: Classic Astartes
• Attitude to V: Devoted

Iron Guard – Michael Mulhall-Rose (@studio_fatfingers)

• Character: Vengeful, uncompromising
• Aesthetics: Classic Astartes
• Attitude to V: [???]

Storm Tyrants – Jorge Prieto (@adeptus_avocado)

• Character: Isolationist, idealists, divided
• Aesthetics: Hellenic/mechanical
• Attitude to V: Highly divided – half devoted, half sceptical

 

INDEPENDENTS

Wormwood Sons – Nick Tregidgo (@K0rdhal)

• Character: Cryptic, arcane
• Aesthetics: Baroque, Mesopotamian
• Attitude to V: Sceptical

Firebreak – Cameron Melville (@dizzyeye.01)

• Character: Brooding, pragmatic
• Aesthetics: Classic Astartes
• Attitude to V: Devoted; increasingly divided

Marines Saturnine – Tom Knight (@ghostys_neon_rust)

• Character: Ritualistic, unfeeling
• Aesthetics: Mesopotamian
• Attitude to V: [???]

Argent Heralds – Matt Swift (@sonofnemeton)

• Character: Dutiful, devoted
• Aesthetics: Paladins, clearn
• Attitude to V: Devoted[?]

Jade Talons – Adam St Ancliffe (@adam_james_creates)

• Character: Faithful, spontaneous
• Aesthetics: Mongolian, death-cult
• Attitude to V: Devoted[?]

 

OTHER CHAPTERS

If you've got a minor group of Marines loyal to Volnoscere – perhaps Marines Mendicant (like the Benedictors) or breakaway Company (like the Centaurs) – please comment below with your force's info, and I'll update it.

Benedictors 8th Company (Marines Mendicant) – (@gunnarlopez08)

• Character: Devout, individualistic;
• Aesthetics: Ancient Germanic, Classic Astartes;
• Attitude to V: Devoted.

Sacred Band (@daemonlordabraxes)

• Character: humanitarian, devout
• Aesthetics: Mesopotamian, Punic/Phoenician;
• Attitude to V: Devoted.

Centaurs (@the_rook_archive)

• Character: Stoic, steadfast, exemplary
• Aesthetics: Classic Astartes, Hellenistic
• Attitude to V: Unaware (Annulus Umbra)

Edited August 14, 2021 by Gamiel

[Gamiel]

apologist have forgotten to shared it but there are some blog post about the War of the False Primarch on his own blog: Death of a Rubricist: Some Things Are Better Left Forgotten (apologentsia.blogspot.com)

 

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from this Fb post:

 

WRITING YOUR INDEX: ASTARTES – A STARTING POINT.

A couple of people have asked via PM whether there's a template for the Index: Astartes articles. The short answer is no. It would be almost impossible to get a style that suits everyone, and I think it would risks spoiling the energy and individual character of people's writing. Variety of expression is what will give the project a bit of heart.

 

Therefore, you should feel free to present your Chapter/character/force as you wish; and I'll do my best to incorporate that into the blog (and later the book). The only things I consider essential are at least two pictures of finished, based models; and ideally one of models in combat/in a diorama.

 

With that said, here's how I presented an insight into my own Chapter, the Gatebreakers. It may prove useful as a loose template – or at least suggest a way you don't want to do it! 

 

https://apologentsia.blogspot.com/search?q=gatebreakers

 

 

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from this Fb post by Toby Harris

:

My 2nd draft of my Index Imperialis on Legio Punica - "Twice-bound". https://docs.google.com/.../1hAXB9bIvljFOSi4fNrMK.../edit....

 

A location for Lycia is required, Rimward would be preferred I think.

Pictures will be following soon, the main Warlord Titan is nearing completion.

 

Also need to come up with some quotes and flavour to round it out.

House Argus article is being worked on too, with some more information on Lycia.

 

and this:

As promised, here is my second Index Imperialis, this time covering the reclusive Knights of Argus. Feedback is of course welcome, though please do consider this the first draft! There will likely be one more, on the forces of Forge World Lycia.

 

Index Imperialis - House Argus - Google Dokument

Edited August 14, 2021 by Gamiel

[Gamiel]

 4. In terms of converting/painting some Avaracians, the first thing I'd say at least is that you wouldn't expect them to be typical skitarii and such. They would very much keep their implants covered in order to gain the element of surprise. Just as an example, I kitbashed a group of rangers using a mix of the base skitarii (Back torso, helmet, backpack) mixed in with the scions box (Legs, front torso, arms, rifle). I'd use them as general mercs but in short there's a full variety of types in Avarice, you've got your heavy lifters etc. Everyone has a use and can be used. I do like the thought of using the pris paint style to cover the face a little so that could definitely work, especially with a combo of hoods too.   

My impression from this is that some of the easier way to do Avarice agents would be to just take Necromunda Delaque models and paint them orange (maybe with a head swap). And for elite agents use Firstborn or CSM models with some non-SM heads 

[Dizzyeye01]

 

 4. In terms of converting/painting some Avaracians, the first thing I'd say at least is that you wouldn't expect them to be typical skitarii and such. They would very much keep their implants covered in order to gain the element of surprise. Just as an example, I kitbashed a group of rangers using a mix of the base skitarii (Back torso, helmet, backpack) mixed in with the scions box (Legs, front torso, arms, rifle). I'd use them as general mercs but in short there's a full variety of types in Avarice, you've got your heavy lifters etc. Everyone has a use and can be used. I do like the thought of using the pris paint style to cover the face a little so that could definitely work, especially with a combo of hoods too.   

My impression from this is that some of the easier way to do Avarice agents would be to just take Necromunda Delaque models and paint them orange (maybe with a head swap). And for elite agents use Firstborn or CSM models with some non-SM heads 

 

 

It's a good impression. I do actually have some CSM marines that I am using for some conversions involving Avarice that are based form some old renegades from rogue trader so expect to see them soonish.

[Gamiel]

Oddly large hand up at the right there…

A notch for the Volnoscere being a creation of Mars theory....

[Xin Ceithan]

 

 

Oddly large hand up at the right there…

A notch for the Volnoscere being a creation of Mars theory....

A mind, left to it’s own devices, will wander into dark places … ;)