Upcoming BL Stuff - 2022

[DarkChaplain]

Hurrah for more exclusives, region-locked and behind a subscription gate. This trend sucks.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

1 hour ago, skylerboodie said:

 

《 click the link for more details, the image isn't showing here unfortunately. Update: image not showing in original post anymore? added from screenshot taken earlier》

 

 

You're welcome to just link directly to the "open link in new tab" page if it helps. I appreciate you including my post, but I didn't really do anything but pass the info along.

[skylerboodie]

Credit where credit's due - yours is the only source I've seen for this so far so appreciate you sharing it - plus I didn't know a simpler way of passing it along either anyway! 

[System Sound]

1 hour ago, DarkChaplain said:

Hurrah for more exclusives, region-locked and behind a subscription gate. This trend sucks.

Agreed.

Also was the previous novella (Blade Oath i think), ever released as standalone?

Edited July 4, 2022 by System Sound

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

2 hours ago, System Sound said:

Agreed.

Also was the previous novella (Blade Oath i think), ever released as standalone?

It wasn't, but you're not missing much.

[Ubiquitous1984]

With the leak of the Angron model, where do we expect this to tie into the lore?  Dawn of Fire?  A standalone?  What would you like to see?

[Sothalor]

I would have been just fine with Angron's appearance in The Emperor's Gift as a final hurrah and send-off: the last mythological echo and embodiment of terror from a bygone age, banished at great cost by the lesser sons of greater sires.

[DarkChaplain]

1 hour ago, Ubiquitous1984 said:

With the leak of the Angron model, where do we expect this to tie into the lore?  Dawn of Fire?  A standalone?  What would you like to see?

I don't really think we'll see him directly pop up in Dawn of Fire, especially not directly with Guilliman. It's not exactly "news" that Angron and the Daemon Primarchs were active post-rift, though. Even Lorgar and Perturabo were stated to have left their exiles to go back into action.

Maybe we'll see Angron in Nihilus, though. It'd be interesting to have Fabian Guelphrain become witness to Angron, either directly or indirectly, during his journey across the rift. It'd also make for a potent adversary for Dante and the Blood Angels, like, one that isn't Tyranids again...

 

....I'm very tempted to buy the model for myself, actually. Though I'd probably just use him as a proxy for my AoS Khorne horde. It's been lacking a centerpiece.

Edited July 8, 2022 by DarkChaplain

[cheywood]

1 hour ago, Ubiquitous1984 said:

With the leak of the Angron model, where do we expect this to tie into the lore?  Dawn of Fire?  A standalone?  What would you like to see?

Angron’s likely going to be released with the World Eaters, might be that the tie-in novel focuses more on the sons than the father?

Edited July 8, 2022 by cheywood

[Sete]

Ahhhhrggggghh I missed the Helbrecth book!

[Taliesin]

The regular hardcover is coming out in a few months already.

[Sete]

7 hours ago, Taliesin said:

The regular hardcover is coming out in a few months already.

Yeah but I wanted the special edition.

Oh well...

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

2 hours ago, Sete said:

Yeah but I wanted the special edition.

Oh well...

Meanwhile it's STILL available for pre-order in the US over three hours since it went up.

[Kelborn]

7 hours ago, Lord Nord said:

Meanwhile it's STILL available for pre-order in the US over three hours since it went up.

Just checked and it's still there!

[System Sound]

Seems like Coming Soon page is as good as useless again, since Dark City is up fro pre order next Saturday...

[cheywood]

1 hour ago, System Sound said:

Seems like Coming Soon page is as good as useless again, since Dark City is up fro pre order next Saturday...

Fnac’s coming soon section is the best bet these days. It’s not perfect, but the release dates are accurate and you get like 2-3 weeks’ advance notice on anything that’s not an LE: https://www.fnac.com/e65968/Black-Library?SFilt=1!34

Absurd. But it’s where we’re at.

[cheywood]

Garro’s getting a Siege novella, courtesy of Swallow: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/13/nathaniel-garro-strikes-back-against-mortarion-in-a-new-siege-of-terra-novella/

The title is Garro: Knight of the Grey. It’ll be in the same formats as the rest of the Siege.

This is our punishment for Wraight getting to write Sanguinius’ primarch novel. 

[Ubiquitous1984]

39 minutes ago, cheywood said:

Garro’s getting a Siege novella, courtesy of Swallow: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/13/nathaniel-garro-strikes-back-against-mortarion-in-a-new-siege-of-terra-novella/

The title is Garro: Knight of the Grey. It’ll be in the same formats as the rest of the Siege.

This is our punishment for Wraight getting to write Sanguinius’ primarch novel. 

Punishment?  Why the cynacism?!  Getting more SoT novellas is a great thing!  And Garro certainly deserves his own tale to conclude his journey.  

 

It's just puzzling as to why this is being released after Warhawk.  Any suspense of what happens has now been completely removed, which is a great shame.

[cheywood]

31 minutes ago, Ubiquitous1984 said:

Punishment?  Why the cynacism?!  Getting more SoT novellas is a great thing!  And Garro certainly deserves his own tale to conclude his journey.  

 

It's just puzzling as to why this is being released after Warhawk.  Any suspense of what happens has now been completely removed, which is a great shame.

I don’t mean to say others shouldn’t be excited for it; it’s great that you’re looking forward to it! To explain my thinking:
 

Looking at Swallow’s work for BL I don’t think it’s overly cynical to say this will be bad. His writing outside of 40k and the HH might be fine, I haven’t read it, but I struggle to think of redeeming qualities for his contributions to Black Library. Just my opinion obviously, though I don’t think it’s a particularly uncommon one. 
 

Another part of it is that I don’t want any more bloat to the Siege. What was announced as an 8 book miniseries to conclude a 54 book series is now at minimum 11 books. 
 

The fact that it comes out after Warhawk is, in my mind, proof that this book is both is both unnecessary and poorly planned.

[Roomsky]

I assume the timing of this release is borne of the Siege team's commitment to releasing full novels fairly regularly. Whether or not it's on Swallow being too slow is of course ambiguous, but I think it's telling that this is dropping post-Warhawk and Wraight is doing Sanguinius' Primarchs book now.

I don't hate Swallow's Death Guard but I think Garro is just a boring character. I thought Garro showing up to find Mortarion already banished might have finally been an interesting turn for him, but alas, here we are.

[1ncarnadine]

I just can't see what a Garro vs Mortarion novel can add to the story at all. Garro vs other members of the Death Guard, maybe? I feel like this is going to not just be bad on its own but actively undermine the events of Warhawk. Like "The Khan could only beat Mortarion thanks to a chink in his armor that Garro made in this story" kind of bad.

 

So that's a hard pass for me on this LE. I would have been way more excited for another Graham McNeill side entry exploring the Mechanicum/Dark Mechanicum or something.

[Scribe]

I already actively dislike the Garro arc, and the Siege was sold as a limited set of books and authors under 'tight coordination'.

Very very much sick of it. This novella will be ignored by me, as 80% of the HH fluff was.

Just finish the series!

[Noserenda]

Swallow can pull off the odd good scene, possibly with a good editor, but hes long since squandered Garro and the Buried Dagger was the epitome of a flawed work that could have been great with a few more passes, and probably split in two honestly.

Now this feels a bit like too little, too late, Garro just needs taking off the board to wrap his story up, while Keeler needs to survive to do religion things and Mortarion obviously gets through just fine. Im not sure there is even much tension there.

[DarkChaplain]

I've got mixed feelings. I liked his Garro audio dramas and novella. I didn't like the cheap job that was the Garro "novel", which didn't really add what it needed to for a conclusive whole. I do like his short stories, for the most part.

It's his novels I dread, and their consistency with other works. The Buried Dagger made a lot of missteps on that front - especially with regards to Mortarion and Typhus. It dropped an entire plotline of Mortarion sending Eidolon to bring Typhon to him, for example, and patched up their relationship in record time. And nothing needs to be said about Fear to Tread.

As for more novellas and anthologies? I'm actually mad they didn't commit to those in the past years. Perfect format to wrap up some plotlines and give characters off the big stage their time in the limelight. Instead they decided to cram a lot of stuff into the novels, rather than having at least a single anthology filled with sideline-shorts.

Not everything needs to be in the main Siege series - they should've been okay with this from the start, and not just for McNeill to wrap up his pet projects, and forget about half their setup doing so...

Anyway, I'm torn here between his Garro (who I enjoy) and his Mortarion (who is a sodding disappointment). I also wonder how it'll interact with Warhawk and Wraight's additions. Then, I still cannot fathom that Garro has been kept out of Warhawk in the first place. That's been my big complaint about the whole role of Mortarion in the Siege - the lacking meeting between him and Garro - something that was even hinted at in a way during the Mortarion's Heart incident.

So I'm glad that Garro & Mortarion is actually happening. I don't think it's good the way it is happening now. At this point, Garro should have been confronted with having missed his chance and gone to see about Calas Typhon instead, or doing something real stupid re: Mortarion.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Warhawk hugely delayed in the first place? Wasn't there some stuff about them pushing it back and getting the hardback leaked and all that?

Maybe Swallow was supposed to deliver it before the regular release of Warhawk, at least, but didn't, hence the whole schedule shift, simultaneous limited and regular release and stores already having been supplied with the standard edition before the limited was even pushed.

MAYBE this is the key factor we didn't know about that made BL change their release plans back then, just to go back to the usual pattern with book 7.

Edited July 13, 2022 by DarkChaplain

[Sothalor]

I'll chalk it up to the WHC (well known for unerring commitment to factual accuracy) description for now, but this is prima facie nonsensical, just based on Mortarion's and Keeler's respective positions and roles in Warhawk. 

What I would like to see is for this to indeed take place by after Warhawk; for it to lean into the fact that Garro wasn't at the confrontation with Mortarion, and for this to be an exploration of Garro going harder and harder into the nascent Imperial cult as he's lost one of his primary remaining motivations. Have him take his place at Keeler's side as the Imperium of the Imperial Truth gives way to the Imperium of the Imperial Cult.

Bonus points if Garro ends up being one of the primogenitors of the "Space Marines are literally the Emperor's Angels of Death" theological stance that ends up permeating the Imperial faith.