WAR Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 No one in my Group is bringing flyers. I have an event we are doing in November for "Tanksgiving" and I am thinking about throwing a Storm Eagle full of Terminators and a Praetor and Deep Striking War Monger and 15 Delivers into my list on top of my All Tanks list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6043020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorblade Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 17 hours ago, MichaelCarmine said: Hello there =] Since a bit of time has passed and maybe you guys have had better ideas and ways on how to run them - what are your experiences with Flyers? In my gaming environment, theres almost always some kind of Helical Targeting platform (CastraFerrum, Contemptor, SiccaranArcus, Deredeo) in the opponents List, to deal with deep strikers and Flyers. So bringin a Flyer (or better - less than two, or three for Target saturation) in is almost allways suicide. Luckily, since the errata for the Legacy-units came out, i've had quite some success with deep striking the "new" Caestus! With the Decap Strike RoW, it gets a 5+Shrouded on arrival against everything without a Helical or NightVision and if you position it right, the units with Helical have an AV of 14 against them. And even if it gets cracked (but doesn't explode), the Terminator unit inside can still disembark and charge, thanks to the new Misericord-rules. I admit, 350Pts is a big deal, since it also uses the one HS Slot available, but the last few games with it have been a blast, especially since it's one of my favorite models! =] Did you have any good experience with Flyers? Maybe it's just my environment, that's massively racist against anything with wings... I've been traveling quite a bit to get to different events (germany) and never encountered so much as a single helical. However I think the new shorter Missions make flyers (anything reserves really) quite unappealing as there is a decent chance of getting two or fewer turns of board presence out of your investment Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6043104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelCarmine Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 5 hours ago, Razorblade said: I've been traveling quite a bit to get to different events (germany) and never encountered so much as a single helical. However I think the new shorter Missions make flyers (anything reserves really) quite unappealing as there is a decent chance of getting two or fewer turns of board presence out of your investment That's actually quite funny, considering that Helicals give free intercept and are also really good against anything that arrives via DeepStrike. Especially on the Arcus, where it allows the tank(s) to even fire its/their battleweapons - goodbye, deepstriking 2w 2+ elites... Not to mention, that it also negates any shrouding-saves... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6043132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelCarmine Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 22 hours ago, WAR said: No one in my Group is bringing flyers. I have an event we are doing in November for "Tanksgiving" and I am thinking about throwing a Storm Eagle full of Terminators and a Praetor and Deep Striking War Monger and 15 Delivers into my list on top of my All Tanks list Whatever you do, don't bring your Stormeagle in from reserve, or atleast bring it after the DeepStrikers, when the opponent has spent all its reactions on them. Otherwise, when it gets shot down, every embarked model receives a S10AP2 hit, most people tend to forget that... Buddy of mine lost his whole Praetor+CommandSquad that way on an event. Over 600Pts, destroyed by one Helical-Dread reaction. WAR 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6043134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 47 minutes ago, MichaelCarmine said: Whatever you do, don't bring your Stormeagle in from reserve, or atleast bring it after the DeepStrikers, when the opponent has spent all its reactions on them. Otherwise, when it gets shot down, every embarked model receives a S10AP2 hit, most people tend to forget that... Buddy of mine lost his whole Praetor+CommandSquad that way on an event. Over 600Pts, destroyed by one Helical-Dread reaction. Thank you @MichaelCarmine! I will keep that in mind if I add the points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6043139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 5/28/2024 at 3:52 PM, MichaelCarmine said: Hello there =] Since a bit of time has passed and maybe you guys have had better ideas and ways on how to run them - what are your experiences with Flyers? In my gaming environment, theres almost always some kind of Helical Targeting platform (CastraFerrum, Contemptor, SiccaranArcus, Deredeo) in the opponents List, to deal with deep strikers and Flyers. So bringin a Flyer (or better - less than two, or three for Target saturation) in is almost allways suicide. Luckily, since the errata for the Legacy-units came out, i've had quite some success with deep striking the "new" Caestus! With the Decap Strike RoW, it gets a 5+Shrouded on arrival against everything without a Helical or NightVision and if you position it right, the units with Helical have an AV of 14 against them. And even if it gets cracked (but doesn't explode), the Terminator unit inside can still disembark and charge, thanks to the new Misericord-rules. I admit, 350Pts is a big deal, since it also uses the one HS Slot available, but the last few games with it have been a blast, especially since it's one of my favorite models! =] Did you have any good experience with Flyers? Maybe it's just my environment, that's massively racist against anything with wings... I still have to build mine... :( My Dreadclaw saw one game so far in which it did well. Dropped Golg plus some Terminators behind enemy lines andthen died. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6044695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelCarmine Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Sooooo we're finally getting a Kaedes Nex model! Curious, if and how hard the're going to nerf him... Can't believe they really saved him from dying of theLegacy-treatment! Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6061308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelCarmine Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Well... Gorgoff, Dont-Be-Haten and librisrouge 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6061371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 What do you think about Deliverers? I was think to make some as an allied unit in my SoH, just for background. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6063529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelCarmine Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 What do you think about Deliverers? I was think to make some as an allied unit in my SoH, just for background. Loyal Deliverers - Total Chads Traitor Deliverers - Ok, cool. Loyal Deliverers are Elite, deep striking, battlehardened Stubborn 9 Bros who :cuss :cuss: up. Traitors loose Battlehardened(1) but gain Hatred(Corax) - jay! :D (sarcasm) Most like to run them pure Talons, but i find this loadout struggles against other elite terminators, especially those who come with 3++/Hammers/Str.10 Fists. Since they are one of the few termis, who can eat str.8-9 with ease, i run them 50/50 Talons/Chainfists. That way they can insta death others and be a big threat to vehicles as well. Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6063671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 The Chieftain have no access to Grenade Arness? In fact, in the pdf I don't see any options for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6063701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelCarmine Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Nope, he doesn't. Do they really need it though? You let them deep strike, so you have a say in where to strike. I've yet to come into a situation, where i'd needed them to charge into cover. You got Dark Furies for that ^^ ...but if you insist - just add a Warmonger to the Unit. =] Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374354-the-ravenspire-xixth-legion-tactica/page/16/#findComment-6063800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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