HH 2.0 The Ravenspire: XIXth Legion Tactica

[W.A.Rorie]

No one in my Group is bringing flyers.  I have an event we are doing in November for "Tanksgiving" and I am thinking about throwing a Storm Eagle full of Terminators and a Praetor and Deep Striking War Monger and 15 Delivers into my list on top of my All Tanks list 

[Razorblade]

17 hours ago, MichaelCarmine said:

Hello there =]

 

Since a bit of time has passed and maybe you guys have had better ideas and ways on how to run them - what are your experiences with Flyers?

In my gaming environment, theres almost always some kind of Helical Targeting platform (CastraFerrum, Contemptor, SiccaranArcus, Deredeo) in the opponents List, to deal with deep strikers and Flyers.

So bringin a Flyer (or better - less than two, or three for Target saturation) in is almost allways suicide.

 

Luckily, since the errata for the Legacy-units came out, i've had quite some success with deep striking the "new" Caestus!

With the Decap Strike RoW, it gets a 5+Shrouded on arrival against everything without a Helical or NightVision and if you position it right, the units with Helical have an AV of 14 against them.

And even if it gets cracked (but doesn't explode), the Terminator unit inside can still disembark and charge, thanks to the new Misericord-rules.

I admit, 350Pts is a big deal, since it also uses the one HS Slot available, but the last few games with it have been a blast, especially since it's one of my favorite models! =]

 

Did you have any good experience with Flyers? Maybe it's just my environment, that's massively racist against anything with wings...

 

I've been traveling quite a bit to get to different events (germany) and never encountered so much as a single helical. However I think the new shorter Missions make flyers (anything reserves really) quite unappealing as there is a decent chance of getting two or fewer turns of board presence out of your investment

[MichaelCarmine]

5 hours ago, Razorblade said:

I've been traveling quite a bit to get to different events (germany) and never encountered so much as a single helical. However I think the new shorter Missions make flyers (anything reserves really) quite unappealing as there is a decent chance of getting two or fewer turns of board presence out of your investment

That's actually quite funny, considering that Helicals give free intercept and are also really good against anything that arrives via DeepStrike.

Especially on the Arcus, where it allows the tank(s) to even fire its/their battleweapons - goodbye, deepstriking 2w 2+ elites...

Not to mention, that it also negates any shrouding-saves...

 

 

[MichaelCarmine]

22 hours ago, WAR said:

No one in my Group is bringing flyers.  I have an event we are doing in November for "Tanksgiving" and I am thinking about throwing a Storm Eagle full of Terminators and a Praetor and Deep Striking War Monger and 15 Delivers into my list on top of my All Tanks list 

Whatever you do, don't bring your Stormeagle in from reserve, or atleast bring it after the DeepStrikers, when the opponent has spent all its reactions on them.

Otherwise, when it gets shot down, every embarked model receives a S10AP2 hit, most people tend to forget that...

Buddy of mine lost his whole Praetor+CommandSquad that way on an event. Over 600Pts, destroyed by one Helical-Dread reaction.

[W.A.Rorie]

47 minutes ago, MichaelCarmine said:

Whatever you do, don't bring your Stormeagle in from reserve, or atleast bring it after the DeepStrikers, when the opponent has spent all its reactions on them.

Otherwise, when it gets shot down, every embarked model receives a S10AP2 hit, most people tend to forget that...

Buddy of mine lost his whole Praetor+CommandSquad that way on an event. Over 600Pts, destroyed by one Helical-Dread reaction.

 

Thank you @MichaelCarmine! I will keep that in mind if I add the points.

[Gorgoff]

On 5/28/2024 at 3:52 PM, MichaelCarmine said:

Hello there =]

 

Since a bit of time has passed and maybe you guys have had better ideas and ways on how to run them - what are your experiences with Flyers?

In my gaming environment, theres almost always some kind of Helical Targeting platform (CastraFerrum, Contemptor, SiccaranArcus, Deredeo) in the opponents List, to deal with deep strikers and Flyers.

So bringin a Flyer (or better - less than two, or three for Target saturation) in is almost allways suicide.

 

Luckily, since the errata for the Legacy-units came out, i've had quite some success with deep striking the "new" Caestus!

With the Decap Strike RoW, it gets a 5+Shrouded on arrival against everything without a Helical or NightVision and if you position it right, the units with Helical have an AV of 14 against them.

And even if it gets cracked (but doesn't explode), the Terminator unit inside can still disembark and charge, thanks to the new Misericord-rules.

I admit, 350Pts is a big deal, since it also uses the one HS Slot available, but the last few games with it have been a blast, especially since it's one of my favorite models! =]

 

Did you have any good experience with Flyers? Maybe it's just my environment, that's massively racist against anything with wings...

 

I still have to build mine... :(

 

My Dreadclaw saw one game so far in which it did well. Dropped Golg plus some Terminators behind enemy lines andthen died.

[MichaelCarmine]

Sooooo we're finally getting a Kaedes Nex model!

Curious, if and how hard the're going to nerf him...

Can't believe they really saved him from dying of theLegacy-treatment!

[MichaelCarmine]

Well...

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

What do you think about Deliverers?

I was think to make some as an allied unit in my SoH, just for background.

[MichaelCarmine]

 

What do you think about Deliverers?

I was think to make some as an allied unit in my SoH, just for background.

Loyal Deliverers - Total Chads

Traitor Deliverers - Ok, cool.

 

Loyal Deliverers are Elite, deep striking, battlehardened Stubborn 9 Bros who :cuss :cuss: up.

Traitors loose Battlehardened(1) but gain Hatred(Corax) - jay! :D (sarcasm)

 

Most like to run them pure Talons, but i find this loadout struggles against other elite terminators, especially those who come with 3++/Hammers/Str.10 Fists.

Since they are one of the few termis, who can eat str.8-9 with ease, i run them 50/50 Talons/Chainfists. 

That way they can insta death others and be a big threat to vehicles as well. 

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

The Chieftain have no access to Grenade Arness? In fact, in the pdf I don't see any options for it.

[MichaelCarmine]

Nope, he doesn't.

Do they really need it though?

You let them deep strike, so you have a say in where to strike.

I've yet to come into a situation, where i'd needed them to charge into cover.

You got Dark Furies for that ^^

 

...but if you insist  - just add a Warmonger to the Unit. =]

[Nusquam]

On 8/31/2024 at 4:32 AM, MichaelCarmine said:

[Nex rules]

 

 

Light and always full BS means hes fast on his feet while blasting too

[Varyn]

Now that the 3.0 rules are in the wild, what are everyone's thoughts on RG?

 

I was initially a bit unsure of the 18"+ snap shot trait as it seemed to encourage taking units to sit back (recons with nemesis bolters, rapiers etc), but a friend pointed out that as assault squad (and units with corvid jump packs in particular) can potentially be 18"+ away and then move/surge/charge in a turn. 

 

I'm glad to see Mor Deythan get their combi-weapons (volkite) back in the PDF, although I've not read enough to know whether they're a decent option compared to nemesis bolters, given the changes to Fatal Strike.

 

Dark Furys look solid, it's nice to see WS5 across the whole unit, but it's a shame they don't have Vanguard. 

 

Deliverer's aren't quite as good as they were in 2.0, but Vanguard (3) is solid, although I'm wary of deep striking a slow unit if they can't charge when they arrive.

 

I haven't planned what I'll add to my army for 3.0, I've got around 2k so far, which is my old 2.0 army:

 

Praetor, corvid jump pack, paired Raven's talons

Centurion

15 assault marines, 3 power swords, power fist

5 recon marines, nemesis bolters 

5 recon marines, nemesis bolters 

7 support marines, melta guns

6 support marines, rotor cannons

9 Dark Furys

5 Mor Deythan, combi-volkite

2 contemptors, gravis melta & fist

rhino

 

I've always had my eye on some jetbikes, the praetorian command on jetbikes looks decent, if a bit expensive. I may end up adding a tactical squad for some more line scoring or possibly some rapiers or tarantulas.

 

Interested to hear everyone's thoughts on their current army and what they might add/change for 3.0

 

 

 

 

[W.A.Rorie]

The issue I am running into is the Vanguard Detachement is the only detachment Mor Deythan's can be taken in. Recon Marines, Dark Fury, and Veteran Assault squads have a a few detachments they can be added to such as Decapitation Cadre. And Vanguard is an apex which means a praetor has to be taken as well. Which also means Seekers (my favorite unit) are fighting for slot vs other Vanguard Units in smaller games.*

 

I really think they forgot to add Mor Deythan's to the Decapitation Cadre Aux Detachment.

 

Dark Fury's I still like them but the Rending, Breaching, Precision all on a 6+, but Seekers are doing precision and breaching on 4+ at 30",  Recon and Mor Deythan's are Precision 4+ and Breaching 5+ with pinning.  

 

Deliverers are still good but not as good. I am running Heavy jump units (3 10 man Assault, 10 man Destroyer, 20 Dark Furies, plus jump pack characters) so deep striking is going to be a must for me, but I need to hit the right targets with the 3 heavies in the Squad (2 melta, 1 Autocannon)

 

I have Tactical squads, Tactical support, Heavy weapons, storm eagle, Javelin Speeders, Contemptors, and tanks to add to the force as I have been pairing the army down and moving my some of the tanks to my Upcoming Death Guard force.

 

 

 

*LGS is doing a Slow Grow league and we all have to take non named character High command at 500 pts