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Siege of Terra - Garro: Knight of Grey

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9 minutes ago, matcap86 said:

As an avid collector of the SoT limited books, I do worry if we're going to be seeing a lot of bloat here. How many more surprise novella's will they add to the set?

Could mean nothing or could be a small clue/hint but in the warcom article it says 

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but there are still a dozen stories to tell about this legendary conflict.

Cerbero666 Battle-Brother

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Well if is confirmed this is after Warhawk... then what a mess. We already know what happens to Mortarion, and if Garro actually dies as it could be, there's no reference to it in Warhawk, not even by his closest friends like Keeler or Loken. Is like "Oh, ok, it happened, let's move on", just like what happened with Malcador after Fury Of Magnus. I'll wait to read it, but I guess this will be another sync problem between authors as has happened before in the Siege series. 

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22 minutes ago, Cerbero666 said:

Well if is confirmed this is after Warhawk... then what a mess. We already know what happens to Mortarion, and if Garro actually dies as it could be, there's no reference to it in Warhawk, not even by his closest friends like Keeler or Loken. Is like "Oh, ok, it happened, let's move on", just like what happened with Malcador after Fury Of Magnus. I'll wait to read it, but I guess this will be another sync problem between authors as has happened before in the Siege series. 

Indeed. It would have been better if Garro was in the final showndown in Warhawk, because now we have two options, and neither is good.

  • He fights Mortarion before Warhawk: He must die because otherwise he would have joined the Khan for a rematch. But then nobody mentions him in that book, which is nonsense.
  • He fights Mortarion after Warhawk: Okay, he was busy elsewhere returning videotapes or something and missed the battle where Mortarion was banished.  So Mortarion comes back again from the warp after a few days/weeks?  This clashes with the plot point of Typhon taking command of the DG at the end of that book...
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6 minutes ago, lansalt said:

Indeed. It would have been better if Garro was in the final showndown in Warhawk, because now we have two options, and neither is good.

  • He fights Mortarion before Warhawk: He must die because otherwise he would have joined the Khan for a rematch. But then nobody mentions him in that book, which is nonsense.
  • He fights Mortarion after Warhawk: Okay, he was busy elsewhere returning videotapes or something and missed the battle where Mortarion was banished.  So Mortarion comes back again from the warp after a few days/weeks?  This clashes with the plot point of Typhon taking command of the DG at the end of that book...

Better if this wasnt written at all. One Marine vs a Primarch. Please GW, just stop.

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14 minutes ago, Trysanna said:

I think it would be worse if they didn't write this. A loyal Death Guard seeing what has become of his Legion, seeing how far they and their father have fallen, the way it would confirm to Garro that what he does is right, all the rich possibilities of writing a showdown between these two, an epic clash that's not about beating Mortarion, but standing against him once again as Garro did when he took the Eisenstein. There so much rich narrative and character material here it would be a waste not to do something with it. 

Its...a narrative already told is it not? I mean people clearly buy the story line, but its never been for me. Will this redeem the arc? Will this add to what should have been a tight series of novels?

Maybe for some, but not for me.

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12 minutes ago, Trysanna said:

Can't say how it'll turn out, obviously, but there's no way I'd pass up the chance to do something, anything, with all that tension and 10 years of storytelling and bring it all home in a climactic moment.

Fair enough, I jumped ship off of most of the HH arcs a long time ago and had high hopes for the SoT to actually be what they said it would be.

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1 hour ago, Trysanna said:

I think it would be worse if they didn't write this. A loyal Death Guard seeing what has become of his Legion, seeing how far they and their father have fallen, the way it would confirm to Garro that what he does is right, all the rich possibilities of writing a showdown between these two, an epic clash that's not about beating Mortarion, but standing against him once again as Garro did when he took the Eisenstein. There so much rich narrative and character material here it would be a waste not to do something with it. 

Garro could have just fought Typhus after Warhawk and still would have been an epic clash with the revenge background and brother vs brother thematic, the honor of the old legion, Barbarus Death Guard Vs Terran Death Guard, etc... Also Typhus was the first traitor of the legion, even before Mortarion, I guess Garro blames him as much as the primarch. Using Garro against Mortarion when we know he will probably die, and we already know Mortarion's fate, is anticlimatic tbh. 

Besides, if that death actually happens and is set before Warhawk would be absurd for his demise not having any emotional consequence in neither Keeler nor Loken, as they don't even mention it in Warhawk. But we already get that with Malcador's fate after Fury of Magnus, not mentioned at all in Mortis nor Warhawk. 

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And so the war between Wraight and Swallow for the fate of the Death Guard continues...

In all seriousness though, it'll be interesting to read the afterword for this one, and see when in was written in relation to Warhawk.

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1 hour ago, Trysanna said:

Well I haven't read Warhawk, but either way Garro vs Mortation is what we have and it has potential to work well as a story moment, even if it's not what you wanted/would have done

Oh, well you should, because it fixes all the flaws and sins perpetrated against Mortarion and the DG over the convoluted HH 'series'.

In Wraight we trust.

 

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36 minutes ago, lansalt said:

Malcador is alive and well at the end of Fury of Magnus.

Yes, and he didn't even reflect about his obliteration and resurrection in any of the sequels as if it was nothing. Nor any mention of it in his conversation with the Big E. The Emperor actually cried when he thought about it in his mind conversation with Sureka, but later it felt like it was anecdotical. Garro's possible demise could be as bad planned if he dies in this novella and there's no mention of his sacrifice nor emotional consequence for his close ones in Warhawk.

I still believe this series is not as good planned as it should have been, with many authors going their own way and not interacting with each other as much as would be necessary to make a coherent aproach to the plotlines.

We got epic moments, awesome novels (I love Warhawk indeed), good character arcs. But as a whole, as a close series of novels and novellas about a concrete moment in time and place, it fails in many things that could've been solved with better communication and planification. 

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