[Votann] Hernkyn Pioneer

[Mazer Rackham]

But, how in the name of the Emperor a shotgun revolver works? What is the purpose of the pump in the front if the shells are loaded in the wheel in front? Double chambers? One in wheel and one the pump tube?   2 calibers? In the same barrel? Seems a frankenstein gun just for the sake of it.

 

I don't want to go too off topic here:

 

As a sci-fi nut, I love the revolver shotgun.  As a gun nut, not so much.

 

However - if you think that the pump works as a cross between an 1887 lever-action and a M1917 Trench shotgun, where the pump not only feeds the chamber, but turns the cylinder as well, it makes a bit more sense.  There were several attempts to make revolver carbines across the centuries, but whilst it combines two highly reliable mechanisms, it's not a great idea.  It's a steampunk/cyberpunk Pancor Jackhammer.

 

But again, it's a lovely retro-space-age design IMHO.

Edited May 5, 2022 by Mazer Rackham

[SpaceDwalin]

 

“Hernkyn”: is that a reference to Herne the Hunter?

If only! I thought it might simply be just “Her” + “Kyn” - ie signifying a female sq- I mean member of the League.

 

After the Daemon Prince reveal, is there any chance this is a dual kit: anti-grav OR wheels - you choose buster because this is the new GW giving the fans what they want and all they have to do is remortgage their houses or sell their souls and they can have it.

I was wondering too/hoping for an alternative build with wheels. It has the appropriate suspension and wheelarches.

From what I can make out of the underside of the antigrav units they might be flippable to form part of the wheel option?

[phandaal]

 

 

The tactical rock makes it look like it's hovering, without the need for annoying, "break if you breathe on me", clear flying stands.

It is a good thought by GW, but that single point of contact looks fragile as well.

 

Any force on the model is going to go right down the lever arm to that little bit of plastic between the rock and the Norelco pad.

 

 

The thing is, the gap between them is so small that I don't see this actually damaging the model. It'll bend down to touch the base, then snap back up when pressure is released. Repeated action might eventually wear it down so it doesn't come back up, but that's easy enough to address. 

 

 

A lot will depend on the structure of the join, yes. Still more durable than a single flight stand point that can rotate in any direction.

[painting.for.my.sanity]

 

 

But, how in the name of the Emperor a shotgun revolver works? What is the purpose of the pump in the front if the shells are loaded in the wheel in front? Double chambers? One in wheel and one the pump tube? 2 calibers? In the same barrel? Seems a frankenstein gun just for the sake of it.

I don't want to go too off topic here:

 

As a sci-fi nut, I love the revolver shotgun. As a gun nut, not so much.

 

However - if you think that the pump works as a cross between an 1887 lever-action and a M1917 Trench shotgun, where the pump not only feeds the chamber, but turns the cylinder as well, it makes a bit more sense. There were several attempts to make revolver carbines across the centuries, but whilst it combines two highly reliable mechanisms, it's not a great idea. It's a steampunk/cyberpunk Pancor Jackhammer.

 

But again, it's a lovely retro-space-age design IMHO.

I think I'm going to headcanon it as a straightforward revolver action but with an adjustable foregrip. If there's a little nubbin poking out below the barrel to represent a tube magazine I'll paint it like an integrated laser sight.

[Mazer Rackham]

I think I'm going to headcanon it as a straightforward revolver action but with an adjustable foregrip. If there's a little nubbin poking out below the barrel to represent a tube magazine I'll paint it like an integrated laser sight.

 

Probably the best call to be honest - I will say that based on the weapon profile it could just be a Big Ass^TM Revolver that NEEDS a grip.

 

"Hey man, what calibre is that thing?"

 

"Yes."

 

Which is also awesome.

Edited May 5, 2022 by Mazer Rackham

[MechaMan]

The shotgun design feels very Imperial - wouldn't be out of place on a Guardsman or Marine - in contrast to the previously seen weapon. 

 

I'm wondering if the League won't turn out quite as high-tech as I think most of us expected based off the initial Hearthkyn model.

It really reminds me of the design language of the Palanite Enforcers, moreso than the Guard - still Imperial though obvs. I actually really like the idea of a non-chaos derivation of the Imperium/humanity, that isn't subordinate to another faction like the T'au humans I think it's quite a kewl direction, and I'm into it being reflected in designs that are like similar but different. I think the impact, and the identity, of this model/range would have been greater if we weren't in the Post-Primaris, Cawl Grav tank era, then this would feel super fresh.

[Alby the Slayer]

 

I think I'm going to headcanon it as a straightforward revolver action but with an adjustable foregrip. If there's a little nubbin poking out below the barrel to represent a tube magazine I'll paint it like an integrated laser sight.

 

Probably the best call to be honest - I will say that based on the weapon profile it could just be a Big Ass^TM Revolver that NEEDS a grip.

 

"Hey man, what calibre is that thing?"

 

"Yes."

 

Which is also awesome.

 

 

 

Yep, I know there are already many big revolver or big shotgun as minis, but I think chosing one of this or give her a more sci-fi dark age gun would be better. Just for talking :)

[TheVoidDragon]

Does this rumour engine picture seem similar the front part of this trike to anyone else? I can't find any other miniatures that have this sort of design for the coil/spring with a bar with a groove along it, the only thing that seems to come close is this (and there aren't any similar tires either).

 

I really hope whatever this is it's for the Squats and they aren't all anti-grav vehicles.

Edited May 5, 2022 by TheVoidDragon

[Redcomet]

It is certainly an interesting design.

 

It is quite a shame that we don’t get more bts articles about the LoV.

 

I would love to know what their inspirations and design philosophy was. And see some concept art.

[LameBeard]

 

 

“Hernkyn”: is that a reference to Herne the Hunter?

If only! I thought it might simply be just “Her” + “Kyn” - ie signifying a female sq- I mean member of the League.

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I don’t imagine it’s an all female unit.

I just remembered, where I grew up:

 

Hurn (also Hearn) verb, colloquial. To go fast and noisily on a motor vehicle, especially a motorcycle. Origin: unknown, likely onomatopoeia.

 

Hence we would always sing the Queen song “Don’t stop me now” as “I’m hurning through the sky, yeah, two hundred degrees … “ etc

 

Clearly someone in the studio was listening.

[MithrilForge]

 

Those shapes evoke 50s/60s vehicle design and this color only reinforces that. I wonder if this is a faction theme.

It seems the Leagues of Votann actually visited a Dystopian Boston in the Far Future 50's/60's style   ... I hope we get a Votann Mr Handy 

 

Mithril

[OttoVonAwesome]

 

 

 

I love it. It feels very 80s dystopian anime. Kind of like Appleseed. It feels right and look amazing.

 

Oh I forgot about Appleseed but thats very apt, my head was going towards a Ghost in the shell tachikoma direction 

 

Same sort of period of anime. Yeah Squats are shaping up to very much embody that sort of aesthetic vibe can't wait to see the exo armour up close instead of blurry and in the background art.

 

 

Appleseed and Ghost is the Shell are literally both by the same Managaka/designer.

 

Looks more Bethesda era Fallout to me but I can see both. The Castellan robots already did that aesthetic better than Bethesda so nothing new for 40k. A Fallout Tachikoma would be the best.

 

If anything this is making me think Squats will be pink skinned Orks, who also have aviator themed models and retro aesthetics. Maybe they won't be completely ditching the 'biker gang' theme after all.

 

I just love that they all wear space suits. Clear plastic bubble helmet upgrades when?

Edited May 6, 2022 by OttoVonAwesome

[jaxom]

Occurred to me that wheeled trikes among outcasts are probably a thing because they can’t get antigravity tech to fix them when they break.

[Ldorte]

Saw this photoshop of a wheeled version on reddit earlier, much better than the hoverplates. Will be converting mine like that i think!

 

[phandaal]

Saw this photoshop of a wheeled version on reddit earlier, much better than the hoverplates. Will be converting mine like that i think!

 

 

 

Any kind of hover-plate that does not look like a Norelco shaver would have been better.

 

Also, it was an odd choice to put Hoggle in the driver's seat for the official photo.

[quasistellar]

Saw this photoshop of a wheeled version on reddit earlier, much better than the hoverplates. Will be converting mine like that i think!

 

 

Yikes, that's way, way worse IMO

 

Maybe I'm the minority but I'm glad the wheels are gone.  At least it's something more unique now.

[Dont-Be-Haten]

Nah. It's refreshing for the change. I absolutely love the design.

[Orange Knight]

Saw this photoshop of a wheeled version on reddit earlier, much better than the hoverplates. Will be converting mine like that i think!

 

This is a significant downgrade. I think this model is one of those examples where the criticisms are unfounded.

[Arbedark]

The photoshopped wheeled version looks like trash IMO. Super glad they went with something a bit different that still calls back to the original designs.

[LameBeard]

Hmmm, I thought I’d like wheels but these make it look a bit like a tractor. No need to add the beard either, although I like the relaxed look the shades give.

[Redcomet]

Yeah wheels do not improve the model.

 

But some peoples nostalgia has them wanting what they had as kids

[ThePenitentOne]

Surprised how many people like the hover version. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone has a right to an opinion and all that. But usually when their are disagreements about aesthetics, I can relate to those who like the stuff that I don't- I may not agree with their opinion, but I can usually understand it.

 

This is a case where I can't.

 

I dislike the hover bike enough to consider not buying ANY Votann.

 

The wheeled trike and beard? Sign me up! Heck, I'd preorder that in a heartbeat- it's awesome.

 

A 3 wheeled vehicle that has a single wheel in front is a ridiculously impractical vehicle. Having three independent hover fans in the same configuration is beyond ridiculous- all aesthetic arguments aside. I like it less than I like some of the Primaris hover tanks, which were previously some of my least favourite models in the game.

 

I think the Admech hover tank still looks worse that the Votann hover trike... But it's close.

 

Obviously, this is all my own opinion. I am genuinely happy that many of you are going to get a model you like- the fact that I am not going to get a model I like is no big deal; I really shouldn't be starting another faction anyway.

[Slave to Darkness]

Eh not a fan of the bike, but at least Squats still have bikes, so Ill be able to get away with using my existing stuff as counts as. Rider of the grav bike does look good though. 

[Dark Shepherd]

Small hover plates > big wheels > wet/dry vac looking hover plates

[phandaal]

Small hover plates > big wheels > wet/dry vac looking hover plates

Depending on how the bits go together I will be swapping out the electric shaver parts for chunkier looking plates.

 

And definitely not using that beardless gremlin head on any of my bikers.