Updated Mark III + Potential Deredeo

[Elzender]

Well, it is nice to see other MKs getting renewed for better proportions. Regarding the changes, some I like, some not so much:

 

- I am really not a fan of the new knees. I already resculpted Fafnir Rann's ones to be closer to the original sculpts, and if I end up with some new MkIII they'll get a similar treatment. 

 

- I think I still prefer the old leg armour over this new one, but at least being plain it doesn't loook that different, compraed to Rann's greaves, which I also changed. 

 

- Not the biggest fan of the change to the groin plate design, this one doesn't seem to make much sense, either from an in-universe point of view but also as mini design. If these new MkIII follow a similar design to the MkVI the torso and legs will be a fixed combination. In that case, the original design of groin plate attached to the torso could be kept (even if the physical pieces are separated due to mold requirements) without it limiting poseability or mix and matching, as there is none to begin with. Unless the hinges are there but simply not visible in this picture, The groin plate design seems really impractical in-universe, as they have a bolted-on plate on the groin area that will likely get on the way of leg movement. And I have always felt skulls were less prevalent in 30K than 40K, so having skulls on every single marine does not appeal to me that much in 30K.

 

- I have never paid a lot of attention to the elbows on any MK, so changes on that point do not bother me too much. 

 

- The helmets being closer to MkII is not necessarily a bad thing for me, I have always liked that design. I really liked the FW resin MkIII heads but not so much the plastic equivalents, as I much preferred the depth of the eye and breather slits on the resin ones. The spiky helmets might be a bit much for every single marine, but I hope they should not be too difficult to remove if necessary. 

 

- I kinda like the bigger barrel on the phobos bolters, even if one could argue it looks a bit goofy. It reminds me of old marine illustrations, be it 30k or 40k, with those bolters having massive barrels that really made them look like automatic missile launchers. 

 

Sorry for the rant, despite all my nitpicks I am still happy to see new plastic options for HH infantry! 

[OttoVonAwesome]

1 hour ago, Doctor Perils said:

I love mkIII, but the new design (in particular the helm) just looks off in the context of the old models, like an odd mix of III and II. Of course, have to wait for better pictures of the model to really know

 

EDIT: is there any chance this new kit could actually be a combined mkII and mkIII kit? With the helm, elbows and knees changing, it seems plausible to me that the extra armoured plates could be add-ons over the underlying kit, just like mkIII is in the lore when compared to mkII? If that turns out to be the case, I may change my mind a bit, as it would become a very versatile kit allowing people to mix and match armoured portions far more than the current mkIII

Unlikely it's a dual kit. The way Rann is constructed and the sprue real estate it would take would be alot. Two sets of arms, Two chest plates, Two thigh and leg plates, two helmets per marine. It's possible but to not leave anything out the third sprue can't be a half sprue either it would need to be a full sprue and it would also mean loggyk was dead on with his redesign of mark 2, They'd lose the overlapping banding on the legs but mostly I don't think you can design the extra leg armour in a way that wouldn't sacrifice detail in order to attach them.

 

The new design the armour is thinner it would have been possible with the chunkier OG mark 3. But I imagine alot of the redesign wasn't only to go retro but to more easily produce them using plastic mold tech. 

Edited May 2, 2023 by OttoVonAwesome

[jaxom]

Finally remembered to do this as it was a thought I kept having, "Check Visions of Heresy," my addled mind said. I left out the obvious (Death Guard) but here are all the times there is armour which looks like it could have inspired the revamped MkIII.

 

Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus

 

Emperor's Children

 

Iron Warriors

 

Ultramarines

 

Corax's helmet

 

Emperor's Astartes

Edited May 3, 2023 by jaxom

[MaximusTL]

For my 2 cents, i like this version of the MK III. i've gotten quite a few of the old Mk III kits for conversion purposes, and it remains my favorite armor mark for heresy; the only issue was its small size, which this seems to remedy. there's something rugged and primal about this iteration of the suit that screams early great crusade to me, in the way that Marks IV and VI just can't. the bodies of those suits are similar enough to MK VII to be similar at a glance, and you still see plenty of MK IV and VI helmets, even in the primaris era. this sort of armor simply isn't around anymore. the bullish, front-heavy bolter, the helmet spike, the brutalist plating, all of it is aggresively pre-imperium and i love it. gonna have to get my hands of some at some point. 

[Burni]

I hope the helmet spike is optional or at least easily able to be cleanly cut off.

 

Otherwise I’m happy that these will seemingly be compatible with the special weapon boxes. 

[Xenith]

Excited. Already have a Deredeo, but could do with another. Mk3 looks decent also, proper brutal looking bolters, and nice to see the pickelhaube - the spike is easily removed, but awesome for DG players. 

[Dezron]

Wonder if alongside new Mk.III we'll also get new Preator/Centurion in MK.III Armor. 

 

I'm also almost certain that we're getting new wave of resin Legion specific MK.III helmets. 

 

 

[Urauloth]

I really hope so. The Iron Warriors set they did before are terrific, and I'll take anything I can get to kitbash Death Guard.

[CL_Mission]

New heads sets would be great though I'm already considering putting Dark Angels MK.VI heads on these guys, I don't think they'd look out of place.

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, Dezron said:

Wonder if alongside new Mk.III we'll also get new Preator/Centurion in MK.III Armor. 

 

I'm also almost certain that we're getting new wave of resin Legion specific MK.III helmets. 

 

 

Road map showed Legion Command Squad for Spring 2024. That might have bits to build a generic Praetor/Centurion; I'd actually expect it to based on the current Space Marine Command squad.

 

6 hours ago, Burni said:

I hope the helmet spike is optional or at least easily able to be cleanly cut off.

 

Otherwise I’m happy that these will seemingly be compatible with the special weapon boxes. 

I doubt it's optional, but it looks as easy to snip off with cutters as any other spike or aerial. I'm going to delay putting together my volkite culverin squad because MkIII goes better with the idea of them being veterans who were issued their weapons before Mortarion's preference for "simple" weapons saw a marked decrease in plasma and volkite use across the legion.

[OttoVonAwesome]

11 hours ago, MaximusTL said:

For my 2 cents, i like this version of the MK III. i've gotten quite a few of the old Mk III kits for conversion purposes, and it remains my favorite armor mark for heresy; the only issue was its small size, which this seems to remedy. there's something rugged and primal about this iteration of the suit that screams early great crusade to me, in the way that Marks IV and VI just can't. the bodies of those suits are similar enough to MK VII to be similar at a glance, and you still see plenty of MK IV and VI helmets, even in the primaris era. this sort of armor simply isn't around anymore. the bullish, front-heavy bolter, the helmet spike, the brutalist plating, all of it is aggresively pre-imperium and i love it. gonna have to get my hands of some at some point. 

The undersuit is also completely different judging by Rann and the Tank commander of course. It's got like straps at the hips and some kind of chainmail covering the joints. Much more archaic.

[JeffJedi]

Well now that most of the tanks are out of the way, surely they can pump out a new mark every 6 months.

[Urauloth]

I wonder if and when we'll see Heresy Mk VII. We should get it for the siege in theory, and it'll basically just be a resurrection of classic firstborn. Anyway, I like this Mk III design, but I'll miss the previous helmet design - I really liked that one, and it's iconic to iron armour for me.

[Corswain]

38 minutes ago, Urauloth said:

Anyway, I like this Mk III design, but I'll miss the previous helmet design - I really liked that one, and it's iconic to iron armour for me.

Agreed. It would be a little sad if they didn't have a few in the kit. Luckily, I have plenty of spares for my next project.

[Xirix]

3 hours ago, Urauloth said:

I wonder if and when we'll see Heresy Mk VII. We should get it for the siege in theory, and it'll basically just be a resurrection of classic firstborn. Anyway, I like this Mk III design, but I'll miss the previous helmet design - I really liked that one, and it's iconic to iron armour for me.

 

Fingers crossed we might get something like a Scouring expansion somewhere down the line for an excuse to get new early 40K miniatures. :D

[Petitioner's City]

On 5/3/2023 at 1:58 AM, jaxom said:

 

 

Emperor's Astartes

 

I must admit I always thought this person was a Custodian, and the inspiration for the Sagittarum Guard helmet, but equally could be something else :) 

[spessmarine]

4 hours ago, Urauloth said:

I wonder if and when we'll see Heresy Mk VII. We should get it for the siege in theory, and it'll basically just be a resurrection of classic firstborn. Anyway, I like this Mk III design, but I'll miss the previous helmet design - I really liked that one, and it's iconic to iron armour for me.

 

Mk VII is probably the most iconic, therefore I could see it being upscaled (or primaris-ed) with pomp and flair just like beakies got.

[OttoVonAwesome]

Mk VII was actually on the list of things to do according to an old conversation just before Alan passed... I imagine it's low priority now but it's def a thing GW will consider especially as nostalgia grows cuase nostalgia sells as we are seeing now. Eventually they will run out of things to do.

[OttoVonAwesome]

1 hour ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

I must admit I always thought this person was a Custodian, and the inspiration for the Sagittarum Guard helmet, but equally could be something else :) 

Saggitarum predate the artwork. these were something likely retconned the Emperors legion. I imagine they became the knights Errant.

[CL_Mission]

A MK.VII kit would be pretty interesting. In the past I would have loved for such a kit for 40k, rather than the mix of marks in the tactical box but these days I'm not so sure and there's Primaris for that fresh uniform look. I think new MK.VII would look fantastic next to the new Terminators.

[jaxom]

6 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

I must admit I always thought this person was a Custodian, and the inspiration for the Sagittarum Guard helmet, but equally could be something else :) 

Huh, I hadn't even thought of that. The eagle and lightning motifs definitely fit; I guess I was thrown off by the armor being so plain compared to the rest of the Custodes illustrations.

[Matcap86]

Wow now seeing the new sculpts detailed I'm very disappointed. The first time I think the HH2.0 version of a kit is a significant downgrade. The bolter and feet look off and the chest piece just looks bloated instead of archaic.

 

[OttoVonAwesome]

22 minutes ago, matcap86 said:

Wow now seeing the new sculpts detailed I'm very disappointed. The first time I think the HH2.0 version of a kit is a significant downgrade. The bolter and feet look off and the chest piece just looks bloated instead of archaic.

 

Yeah but it's win if your goal was to redesign the kit incorporating a more retro look enabling a plastic version of mark 2 and adding elements that bring all the marks of armour in line with each other. Just wait till they get to mark 5 for a preview of that just take a gander at the armour through the ages old metal model and you'll have an idea. Mk 6ish legs less studs and a really offputting helmet. Be glad mark 4 won't change much.

[lansalt]

38 minutes ago, matcap86 said:

Wow now seeing the new sculpts detailed I'm very disappointed. The first time I think the HH2.0 version of a kit is a significant downgrade. The bolter and feet look off and the chest piece just looks bloated instead of archaic.

 

Agreed, the new MkIII kit is a complete downgrade in all senses compared to the old one except in having better upscaled proportions.

[The Spitehorde]

56 minutes ago, matcap86 said:

Wow now seeing the new sculpts detailed I'm very disappointed. The first time I think the HH2.0 version of a kit is a significant downgrade. The bolter and feet look off and the chest piece just looks bloated instead of archaic.

 

You're not the only one whose disappointed.

 

All the old kit really needed was to lengthen the legs and torso a bit, not give them a significant redesign stylistically. The kneepads on the new ones just look wrong compared to the old, and the flanges on the greaves and thigh plates are nowhere near as pronounced as they were on the old kit. Torso looks like it's got a lot of middle aged spread as well. New shoulder pads don't look as good either. Not overly stoked with the new Phobos bolter, it's lost something of it's totally utilitarian looks.  

 

**edit**

Just noticed the new backpack. The vents are notably different to the old ones, and not for the better. 

 

I'm glad that I have a stockpile of the old kits for my custom WE builds.

Edited August 31, 2023 by The Spitehorde