Kill Team Kill Team: Salvation (Striking Scorpions vs Primaris Scouts)

[Marshal Reinhard]

As I only want the scouts the only thing negative i can say is ill have to wait until they drop sepperate. 

 

But I got things to paint i  the mean time

[Cleon]

Ok I have always loved Scorpions, those scouts are a quality glow up of the old concept with no face palm fails and that scenery is perfect for scattering in rooms on my ZM board I've been working on.

 

Guess I should start getting prepared for the disappointment of not being able to get it because they make 6.

[TheMawr]

46 minutes ago, torcathmk2 said:

Scorpions getting a plastic kit is long overdue, but where is Karandras? Both the Banshees and Dark Reapers launched alongside their Phoenix Lord, why not the Scorpions?

 

Its really 50/50 ... two aspect warrior kits came with their exarch, and two came out without their exarch.

 

 

As for Kill team, The scorpions are solid and I like the bare heads ( hoped for bigger hairdos though).. if not a little bit unexciting for kill team (on their own.) partly expected ( that GW doesnt diverge from the Aspect warrior lore.) and partly unexpected as it is very not kill teamish... Im just talking about the striking scorpions in the set.. as I think the Blades of Khaine killteam is a perfect solution and remniscent of the inquisitional kill team. They are two not entirely out of the box kill teams, wich is perfectly fine but weird for a season starter.

 

Its interesting though, both sides are double 5man kits as opposed to the previous 10man kits. This in itself could mean this box is a huge bargain. But it also adds a bit credence to the possibility of a "flyer season" especially with the setting/stage/terrain.. where the following boxes add an adaptability for excisting teams in the form of Flyers ( either alone + vertical terrain or 5man flyer+5man ground forces and seperate vertical terrain.)

[Bouargh]

2 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

But it also adds a bit credence to the possibility of a "flyer season" especially with the setting/stage/terrain.. where the following boxes add an adaptability for excisting teams in the form of Flyers ( either alone + vertical terrain or 5man flyer+5man ground forces and seperate vertical terrain.)

 

Indeed, the "verticality" as well as the potencially impasable water areas make sense for getting some jump/flying stuff in the following kits/boxes. The "fight on an off-shore platform theme is not so bad. we could even get some floating/stranded stuff from the crashed hulk or Hab blocks on polees - a la Necromunda but in the Thames forts mood instead...

 

 

[Indy Techwisp]

Honestly looking at that Terrain makes me think we're gonna see Pathfinders get nerfed again as soon as the first tourney using the new terrain ends.

 

In regard to the actual teams:

It's two 5 man boxes of Scorpians in one box, hence the repeated poses and the lack of "specials" is 'cause it's Aspect Warrior Monster Mash.

Expect to see a lot of Scouts on ebay ad this is probably gonna be a cheaper way to get 2 sets of Scorps than buying two boxes on individual release.

 

As for Scouts, they're Scouts.

Not much else to say really, we knew it was Scouts and we know what Scouts do.

[Indy Techwisp]

Also:

Someone on the KillTeam Reddit is claiming they'll "leak" the other Season 3 boxes later today as they "leaked" this release initially.

 

Assuming it's not a one-to-one copy of that 4Chan post mentioned here the other day (and assuming the Reddit Mods don't delete the post), we might have another set of "Rumours" to discuss soon.

[Legionary Pallas]

I like the idea of fighting on a 40k style oil rig for Kill Team (reminds me a lot of Metal Gear Solid 2) but unfortunately I don't think the terrain is the most practical for gameplay, and I'm glad that it's a separate purchase now.

 

Salvation itself looks like a solid release for the game - that I will try to pick up if I can - but I'm afraid that with such big-name units like Scorps and Scouts, it's going to go out of stock very quickly, and that most people who get it have zero interest in Kill Team and just want them for their 40k armies a few months earlier.

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

 

Its really 50/50 ... two aspect warrior kits came with their exarch, and two came out without their exarch.

 

 

 

Phoenix Lords. The boxes come with Exarchs.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Feels like a missed opportunity to do jungle terrain... would have transitioned nicely into catachans too

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

This looks like a video game arena from Doom where you run around at breakneck speed to avoid bullets. Many opportunities to jump/climb from some elevation to another. Suited for KT? Lack of cover says no.

[Toxichobbit]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

 

Its really 50/50 ... two aspect warrior kits came with their exarch, and two came out without their exarch.

 

I'm not sure how you've got 50/50 - maybe by counting Dire Avengers? But although that kit is plastic, it's about 15 years old and pre-dates plastic named characters, so not relevant.

 

There have been three updated Aspect Warrior kits. Banshees & Reapers came with their respective Phoenix Lords. Shining Spears came with no Phoenix Lord, because they don't have one. So that's 100% of the updated Aspects (that have a Phoenix Lord) have had an update to their Phoenix Lord . I assume Striking Scorpions will continue this trend and when they get their 40k release it will be with an updated Karandras.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

2 hours ago, torcathmk2 said:

Scorpions getting a plastic kit is long overdue, but where is Karandras? Both the Banshees and Dark Reapers launched alongside their Phoenix Lord, why not the Scorpions?

Obviously planning a solo career with his hit:

 

"Wind of Change"

 

 

[Redcomet]

Super lovely Scorpions.

 

The scouts look ok I guess.

28 minutes ago, Toxichobbit said:

 

I'm not sure how you've got 50/50 - maybe by counting Dire Avengers? But although that kit is plastic, it's about 15 years old and pre-dates plastic named characters, so not relevant.

 

There have been three updated Aspect Warrior kits. Banshees & Reapers came with their respective Phoenix Lords. Shining Spears came with no Phoenix Lord, because they don't have one. So that's 100% of the updated Aspects (that have a Phoenix Lord) have had an update to their Phoenix Lord . I assume Striking Scorpions will continue this trend and when they get their 40k release it will be with an updated Karandras.

100% that Katandras will be the sole hero mini release for Eldar

[soviet1337]

I'm just glad they didn't give scorpions a bunch of awkward specialists to make them fit into Kill Team. 

[firestorm40k]

Hopefully seperating the terrain from the Kill Teams and rules will mean they can produce enough copies of this to meet demand; I wonder if it was the decision to include the terrain in the last season's boxes which meant they did smaller runs  I can remember reading that terrain is manufactured externally so takes longer to produce and be shipped for packaging,so maybe that was a reason they couldn't produce enough copies of Kill Team sets. 

 

Having said that, they Ashes of Faith set had no terrain, and they only produced a handful of copies of that, so... 

[siegfriedfr]

24 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

Super lovely Scorpions.

 

The scouts look ok I guess.

100% that Katandras will be the sole hero mini release for Eldar

Really hope they release another aspect for the Codex, mostly Swooping Hawks. One mini would feel bleh.

[Armchair Warlord]

6 hours ago, Kastor Krieg said:

Terrain is utterly useless. Empty, all lines of sight, no scatter cover at all. And the board side locks you into that horrible salmon color.

Scouts are very welcome, happy to see Scorpions come out.

Fully agree with you on the crunch side. On the fluff side, It's utterly uninspiring and underwhelming and very much smells like budget, limited manufacturing capacity or logistics ( must fit in box of 'x' size) was the primary driving factor. A very steep drop from the likes of the Sector Imperialis terrain pieces.  I wish I didn't feel so cynical and the need to be so critical about it. But I can't help but get the feel somethings off here.

I can see me eventually getting a few parts off of ebay purely to add variety to other scenery. But gauging by kill team so far ... Lets see what's in the next box, cos I can't see any salvation here!

Edited October 14, 2023 by Armchair Warlord
Witt came too late!

[Noserenda]

Two good looking units. But really they are 40k units in a box rather than dedicated kill team sculpts, especially the scorpions!

 

I quite like all the new terrain doohickeys, but I've got a whole load of this terrain sat around half painted from its first release :D

[Kallas]

2 minutes ago, Noserenda said:

Two good looking units. But really they are 40k units in a box rather than dedicated kill team sculpts, especially the scorpions!

Honestly, I do kind of want them to revisit the Compendium team design. The "pick two Fire Teams" to build a team that isn't super Specialist-heavy is a good one, but the fact they just dumped out the Compendium and then moved on without a second thought is sad. If the Eldar team is actually a mixed Aspect Warrior team and not just Scorpions, it's basically that kind of principle in action, and it'd be nice to see that used more. 

[Tyriks]

The Scorpions are awesome. Can't wait to add some to my Craftworld.

[TheMawr]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

Phoenix Lords. The boxes come with Exarchs.

Thats kind of a big mistake for me to make, I feel seriously embarassed.... to be fair I was also awake for more than 24 hours at the time ( Nightwork ) and the voice of the sidekick had a seriously droozy effect on me :p

 

1 hour ago, Toxichobbit said:

 

I'm not sure how you've got 50/50 - maybe by counting Dire Avengers? But although that kit is plastic, it's about 15 years old and pre-dates plastic named characters, so not relevant.

 

There have been three updated Aspect Warrior kits. Banshees & Reapers came with their respective Phoenix Lords. Shining Spears came with no Phoenix Lord, because they don't have one. So that's 100% of the updated Aspects (that have a Phoenix Lord) have had an update to their Phoenix Lord . I assume Striking Scorpions will continue this trend and when they get their 40k release it will be with an updated Karandras.

 

I am counting dire avengers yes... and Im fully aware of all the arguments you point out.

What I mean with such a remark is not as dismissive as you think it is... I often speculate around "patterns" too... but thinking just because it happened before it will happen the same way now is factually wrong, mostly because GW doesnt do patterns for long when it comes to the miniatures. Can we speculate that karandras comes with the codex ? Yes, ofcourse, I too speculated before that I could see a 40k campaign wich would be accompanied by Karandras just so they have their "release aspect and phoenix lord close together" pattern.

 

But then comes the "100% certain next codex will have karandras" and that is simply not true.. those kind of theories-as-fact often really hamper speculation and similair conversations as a lot of people get really stuck on them, hence why I have a bit of an aversion to them. But these arent even the worst... the worst is the entitled attitudes based on perceived patterns.. I admittedly dont see a lot of that on this forum. But those can be such downers for any form of healthy conversation.

 

In the end, I say a lot of those pedantic/devils advocate things.. but I dont mean them as an attack or a smug "I know better" thing. Just to keep challenging the trapholes of that way of thinking, for myself most of all ( after all... I was very very wrong on striking scorpions & killteam, among so many other things purely based on the trappings of thinking there are patterns. )

 

1 hour ago, siegfriedfr said:

Really hope they release another aspect for the Codex, mostly Swooping Hawks. One mini would feel bleh.

 

Im still half half on there being remnants of 9th editions releases to fill up this editions eldar releases. As the release that was there didnt mesh completely with the 2 oldest rumors.

 

But keeping on the subject but going back to the topic of Kill team...

While it would be way off the beaten path, I could see a hypothetical scenario of the swooping hawks in KT rumor being just half of it... as in, a second box in the season featuring Blades of Khaine killteam, this time with 5 new Swooping hawks and 5 existing Dire avengers versus 5 existing Scourges and 5 new mandrakes or archons court for example, the latter being a second iteration of Hands of the Arcon killteam.

I could potentially see it going down like that... Im not saying they should ;)

 

 

Wich adds another thing Im just now wondering... when its time to release seperate kill teams.. maybe GW throws 5 striking scorpions and 5 dire avengers in a box at a huge (DA) discount to keep a similair 10man kill team in the same price range, while releasing a 5man striking scorpion kit much later. I would be really suprised if a 10 man Striking scorpion kit remains around 50 euros...

 

[Magos Takatus]

3 hours ago, soviet1337 said:

I'm just glad they didn't give scorpions a bunch of awkward specialists to make them fit into Kill Team. 

I'm not glad that they didn't do that, a Scorpion sniper or Comms expert might be silly but perhaps some more senior Scorpions training to use Chain sabres or Biting Blades instead of the traditional weapons of the temple might have been interesting. Some Eldar must spend a long time on Warrior Paths, some may be destined to become Exarchs but it is simply not their time yet? It might have added a bit more depth to Aspect Warrior temples but I'm perfectly happy the way they are without making any big changes.

[OttoVonAwesome]

Can't help but feel killteam boards are half the size they should be.

[Halandaar]

I can see why people dislike the terrain for a standalone KT board, although they did say on the stream the sparse amount of cover and big open sightlines was an intentional contrast against the very cramped nature of the Gallowdark scenery, which does make some degree of sense.

 

Anyway, I'm looking at it as an expansion to my existing Sector Mechanicus terrain collection and for that purpose it's great; adds a whole new tier of verticality in between the ground level and existing platform height.

 

 

[Ammonius]

Very nice. At some point, I need to get some of those scouts.