Kill Team Kill Team: Salvation (Striking Scorpions vs Primaris Scouts)

[Halandaar]

50 minutes ago, Blight1 said:

Looks like rumors were off.  Necromunda today

 

And the significant part of the article is that the products don't go up for preorder next Saturday, but the following week (15th December) and have a 3-week pre-order window, so don't release until 6th Jan. So @Matrindur ended up being right on this one!

[Matrindur]

5 hours ago, Halandaar said:

 

And the significant part of the article is that the products don't go up for preorder next Saturday, but the following week (15th December) and have a 3-week pre-order window, so don't release until 6th Jan. So @Matrindur ended up being right on this one!

 

Was just speculation on my side based on the last few years but the pattern seems to hold up.

What is different than expected though is that these only arrive in store on the 6th.

Kill Team will likely be the preorder on the 30th with a release on the 13th January if they keep up the two week preorders.

 

Here's the Christmas guide with the price for anyone interested:

Spoiler

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by Matrindur

[Ming the Merciless]

Is it too much to hope that GW will use the extra time to produce enough copies to satisfy the inevitable demmand? 

[Halandaar]

2 hours ago, Ming the Merciless said:

Is it too much to hope that GW will use the extra time to produce enough copies to satisfy the inevitable demmand? 

 

Yep!

 

Partially in their defence, the factory and warehouse is going to be closed for a week in that intervening time.

 

Absolute baseless speculation, I wonder what we could see up for order over Christmas. Last year had an MTO for the Astartes and Dark Eldar minis from 3rd Edition, the year before was Dark Vengeance. Wonder if they'd do Assault on Black Reach this year? 

[Indy Techwisp]

So 100% not arriving this year and with the traditional Christmas previews possibly on the horizon we could well be getting our first hints as to Season 3 Box 3 before we even get Box 1

[ThePenitentOne]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

So 100% not arriving this year and with the traditional Christmas previews possibly on the horizon we could well be getting our first hints as to Season 3 Box 3 before we even get Box 1

 

Yay!

 

But at least we're getting lots of releases for two games that are essentially EXCLUSIVELY marines versus Marines, and the releases that we did get for 40k included lots of Marines, and when we finally DO get KT box one, it will also include Marines.

 

Sorry guys... I know a lot of people here LOVE Marines but I can't wait until the first year of the new edition is over. 

 

The first year of every edition sucks for almost everyone who doesn't play Marines. It's the main reason I hate edition churn. But this time around, HH and LI have made it even worse than usual.

 

Okay- rant over. Back to safe space. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

Both Horus Heresy and Legiones Imperialis included non-marine factions in their releases this year, including 3 new knights in plastic (not insignificant kits) and Solar Auxilia in LI. Early next year, it's rumored we'll get a Solar Auxilia box set and release as the 'mystery army' in plastic. So not sure what your point is.

 

This box is just a marine kit that was already previously announced as part of the 10E marine release, alongside Striking Scorpions. So it's not like something newer than what the original SM lineup was came up.

 

I'm personally just happy to see Striking Scorpions in plastic.

Edited December 5, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[ThePenitentOne]

All of that is true. I'm just bitter because my favourite factions are Sisters and Xenos. And yes, I know Tyranids have done well this edition... Which is also something that my whiney, self-entitled post ignored.

 

And I too am happy about Scorpions, as well as the plastic Tauros- even if it is Necromunda not Guard (for now).

 

The one thing HH could give me that I would be excited about is new SoS models.... Of course, they'd need 40k rules, and I'm not sure GW will do it. They did give some 30k models 40k rules in 9th, but for 10th they kinda dialed it back by moving those models to Legends, casting everything into doubt. They'd also have to be plastic, not resin and sold at GW prices, not FW ones... Meaning even new units for 30k SoS aren't a magic bullet. 

 

I know that when the Drukhari and Aeldari waves arrive, they will be awesome. I think even the Sisters wave is going to be good (hoping for a repressor now that firing decks are back- it will also work for Agents, by which I mean Arbites). All of this will be good. All of it will come. I'm just whining because I don't want to wait.

Edited December 5, 2023 by ThePenitentOne

[WrathOfTheLion]

I don't think they will. GW looks to have a strategy going on to separate sales on more delineated lines, probably at the top level given both 40k and 30k actions. They could though, they did relent a bit with Knights and some of the existing Custodes units.

 

I do think they want cleaner lines as to what is generating what sales. That's a high level decision, I doubt that is coming through from either the Specialist Games or main studio.

[Halandaar]

6 hours ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

I do think they want cleaner lines as to what is generating what sales. That's a high level decision,

 

That hypothetical strategy is consistently undermined by Kill Team though. They keep putting desirable, updated 40K units in Kill Team sets, making that the only way you can buy them for at least 3 months, and then acting surprised when they sell out. Even when they do release the units as standalone kits, they're part of the Kill Team product range, not the 40K range. So every time somebody wants Kommandos for their Ork army or Kasrkin for their Guard, they are contributing to the sales of Kill Team, not 40k.

 

Salvation is another perfect example. Scouts and Scorpions are both key parts of the imagery of their respective 40K factions, and have their origins back as early as Rogue Trader. Both have needed updates for over a decade, and now that they're finally coming 40K players are going to be artificially propping up the sales of Kill Team to get their hands on them. There's no model sales metric by which GW can gauge how popular Kill Team actually is, and that's entirely of their own making.

[TheMawr]

That hypothetical strategy seems to revolve mostly/solely around horus heresy/40k spacemarines anyway... and there are many more obvious theoretical explanations for that..

 

However.. Im still not 100% convinced this season will follow the same pattern (and GW regularily stops a pattern, its not as if KT release model will be the same for all eternity..), wich would, if true, add fuel to that fire. Ive talked a plenty on my Blades of Khaine theories, but the Nightlords upgrade sprue too, is a different thing than the usual KT upgrade sprue. Like scorpions I could see them skipping or altering the seperate release.. though there are not enough details for my speculation yet.

 

edit : and with theory I mean, I could also just as easily see everything go the same as always ;)

Edited December 5, 2023 by TheMawr

[Noserenda]

The difference is kill team is made by the 40k team whilst 30k and necromunda is the specialist games team

[WrathOfTheLion]

2 hours ago, Noserenda said:

The difference is kill team is made by the 40k team whilst 30k and necromunda is the specialist games team

I was going to say that, but got distracted doing work stuff until lunch :D

 

Yeah, Kill Team and 40k would likely be in the same bucket of income, in the eyes of the higher ups. Same for the products from the other main studio. They're going to want to use that to determine how much funding/manufacturing time/personnel or new hires/etc. to allocate to what bucket.

[TheMawr]

Nonetheless in its almost 30 years of existence, Necromunda never had so much crossover with 40k as it has now. Horus Heresy likewise has more crossover than it ever had ( though part of it I base on the online articles as I do not have the physical books.) when not counting spacemarines, the last non spacemarine horus heresy plastic release did got 40k rules straight away. Hence it doesnt seem to be a new policy or something like that at all.. it seems to be a spacemarine thing, and when its just spacemarines there are other more logical explanations... like GW feeling that it oversaturates the spacemarine roster (wich many people agree with, even if not most people here.) or a more nefarious GW wanting to make sure Spacemarine fans ( a lot of them focusing solely on spacemarines.) have to buy more stuff.

[Indy Techwisp]

On 12/5/2023 at 1:50 AM, ThePenitentOne said:

But at least we're getting lots of releases for two games that are essentially EXCLUSIVELY marines versus Marines, and the releases that we did get for 40k included lots of Marines, and when we finally DO get KT box one, it will also include Marines.

As someone who's beginning to actually look at buying into Loyalist Marines, 10th was a really bad edition to do so since they just removed 90% of the  bikes!
RIP my dreams of a White Scars bike army.
(at least until they bring in Primaris Bike characters other than the Chaplain)

Edited December 6, 2023 by Indy Techwisp

[OpossumStrong]

Pre-order 23/12

Edited December 10, 2023 by OpossumStrong

[Bev'an]

Praise to Khaine!

[01RTB01]

13th January for release 

[-DonCorleone-]

The shrine statue for the Striking Scorpions looks to be the same as Incubi shrine statue.

[Urauloth]

Wondering about the potential for making a 30k recon squad out of these scouts. The imperialis on the plastrons looks like a pain to remove, since it butts right up against that pipework... maybe though.

[Orion]

40 minutes ago, Urauloth said:

Wondering about the potential for making a 30k recon squad out of these scouts. The imperialis on the plastrons looks like a pain to remove, since it butts right up against that pipework... maybe though.

Carve it from the bottom up, and stop at the pipes.
I think the main thing with this sort of stuff is remove small bits at a time. Makes it way easier.

 

It doesn't look all that different to cutting them off standard Primaris, as you have to stop at the collar on them anyway.

 

 

[Tyriks]

2 hours ago, -DonCorleone- said:

The shrine statue for the Striking Scorpions looks to be the same as Incubi shrine statue.

They are similar but it looks to me like the crest on the helmet is different. But its hard to tell in that picture.

[Halandaar]

Although we already knew it from the Christmas Gift Guide, todays trade price list upload confirms Salvation at £80 and the KillZone terrain set at £75.

[Doghouse]

The two squads I want the most and will probably end up like Nicholas Cage and be Gone in Sixty Seconds.

 

I wouldn't mind the instant sell out so bad if they just could restock faster. I know that it's good for them if it sells out but surely someone must do some sort of pro customer metrics in their marketing department.

[Ming the Merciless]

21 hours ago, Halandaar said:

Although we already knew it from the Christmas Gift Guide, todays trade price list upload confirms Salvation at £80 and the KillZone terrain set at £75.

 

Does anyone actually want/like the terrain set?

 

£75